Question about Risen after Zhaitan's death
Honestly, I never gave it much thought since for a design purpose it would be kind of pointless to turn Orr from a bustling realm to something quiet and empty. Although had Anet gone the mile to create different phases of each map (before/after PS), that would have been neat to see the gradual cleansing of Orr over the past two years.
According to Arah explorable, the risen remain unaltered after Zhaitan’s defeat. This indicates that corruption isn’t a maintained effect, but permanent.
Given Tequatl’s power boost though, something has been happening with the Risen. And I we tie this in with the Temple’s priests’ power boost way back when, and the increased size of Orrian risen models… Well, make what you will out of such connections – my theory has been (since Tequatl Rising) that Zhaitan’s magic is still connected to his minions but without Zhaitan to drain them of magic to feed, or maintain the connection, they’re siphoning off of the magic becoming more powerful over time.
And champions are capable of creating other champions – Drakkar, a champion of Jormag, created Svanir, another champion of Jormag. With the risen’s case post-Zhaitan, there is theoretically simply less corruption to spread and make new minions – so there are, again theoretically, a finite amount of new risen capable of being made.
But given that the Living Story has yet to focus on the risen, we just simply don’t know. Because ArenaNet can only handle one plot at a time, and their attempts to handle more turn into Secret of Southsun and The Dragon’s Reach: Part 1.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
According to Arah explorable, the risen remain unaltered after Zhaitan’s defeat. This indicates that corruption isn’t a maintained effect, but permanent.
Given Tequatl’s power boost though, something has been happening with the Risen. And I we tie this in with the Temple’s priests’ power boost way back when, and the increased size of Orrian risen models… Well, make what you will out of such connections – my theory has been (since Tequatl Rising) that Zhaitan’s magic is still connected to his minions but without Zhaitan to drain them of magic to feed, or maintain the connection, they’re siphoning off of the magic becoming more powerful over time.
And champions are capable of creating other champions – Drakkar, a champion of Jormag, created Svanir, another champion of Jormag. With the risen’s case post-Zhaitan, there is theoretically simply less corruption to spread and make new minions – so there are, again theoretically, a finite amount of new risen capable of being made.
But given that the Living Story has yet to focus on the risen, we just simply don’t know. Because ArenaNet can only handle one plot at a time, and their attempts to handle more turn into Secret of Southsun and The Dragon’s Reach: Part 1.
The Risen are bound to Zhaitan, answer to him, but now he’s dead, they shouldn’t be directed by his will.
But as we see in Arah explorable – which takes place after his defeat – the risen still act as if he’s alive and kicking, and continue to praise him and work for him.
Nothing really says the minions are “directed by his will”, by the way.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Is it possible Zhaitan is still alive and kicking?
But as we see in Arah explorable – which takes place after his defeat – the risen still act as if he’s alive and kicking, and continue to praise him and work for him.
Nothing really says the minions are “directed by his will”, by the way.
Many Risen mentioned their will is Zhaitan’s. Even newly turned ones.
If Zhaitan was not the one who gave them order, then who was? It’s quite obvious.
(edited by Slowpokeking.8720)
The risen are compulsive liars, don’t take their words with absolute certainty. There are also risen who say that Zhaitan has chosen them specifically (Kitah Conjurer, the Veteran Risen Wizard at the top of the Vizier’s Tower, etc.).
There’s a difference between “being directed by his will” and “being brainwashed into serving him.” By all indications, the Elder Dragons don’t give orders – they let their minions roam, and their champions do the ordering, expansions of territories, and the like. Zhaitan may be ‘ordering’ (in the loosest sense of the word) the champions to do certain things, but it’s less of being “directed by his will” and more of the corruption brainwashing them to do only that which serves him – by all appearances at least.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
The risen are compulsive liars, don’t take their words with absolute certainty. There are also risen who say that Zhaitan has chosen them specifically (Kitah Conjurer, the Veteran Risen Wizard at the top of the Vizier’s Tower, etc.).
There’s a difference between “being directed by his will” and “being brainwashed into serving him.” By all indications, the Elder Dragons don’t give orders – they let their minions roam, and their champions do the ordering, expansions of territories, and the like. Zhaitan may be ‘ordering’ (in the loosest sense of the word) the champions to do certain things, but it’s less of being “directed by his will” and more of the corruption brainwashing them to do only that which serves him – by all appearances at least.
Of course they give orders, the pact members all mention the big action was Zhaitan’s will. And the Risen said pretty much the same thing. When one got turned, Zhaitan even gain all of its knowledge and secret. When its champions were slain he also roar. It’s quite obvious that their mind are linked.
I think it’s going to stubborn level to ignore such hard evidence.
King Reza said it loud and clear after he was freed, why would he lie to us?
King Reza: "Yes. We were chained to the dragon, corrupted into monsters that bore Zhaitan’s vision and carried out its will. One by one, you have freed us. "
I’m not still sure Zaithan is dead, anyway.
I believe game devs confirmed Zhaitan bit the dust.
I see it like this. The magic still exists. Zhaitan was a concentration of the magic and actively guided it, using it to corrupt things, but him being gone doesn’t make the magic gone, in fact it would be dispersed back in to the environment, making other concentrations of it, i.e. Teakettle and other undead stronger. It does however mean there isn’t this powerful force going around actively corrupting things and trying to destroy civilization. So that’s a good thing at least.
Slowpokeking, there is a VERY big difference between “carried out its will” and “directed by its will.”
The former situation is, in this case, the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan knowing Zhaitan’s will, and choosing (through the forced immense fanaticism) to carry it out. The latter, using the same minion as an example, would be the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan being controlled directly by Zhaitan.
It may seem nitpickery, but it’s important – just like it’s important whether Glint’s eggs were produced due to her being pregnant before corruption, or if they’re a case of a dragon champion creating more dragon minions (no pregnancy invovled). In one case, you have an individual who has some degree of choice and free will (although heavily altered due to corruption) and decides its own actions and has its own thoughts (again, heavily altered due to corruption), in the latter the Elder Dragon is a puppetmaster and the minions are literally lifeless husks that would cease to function the moment the Elder Dragon stops paying attention.
By all indication, the Elder Dragons are brainwashers, not puppeteers. The risen, icebrood, etc. will all continue to function after the Elder Dragons are dead, because they are all automanous individuals. They don’t require the Elder Dragon to function, no different than you don’t need your government to function. The Elder Dragon isn’t a brain to a single body, it’s the queen of a bee hive (likely a poor comparison, but best I can think of).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Slowpokeking, there is a VERY big difference between “carried out its will” and “directed by its will.”
The former situation is, in this case, the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan knowing Zhaitan’s will, and choosing (through the forced immense fanaticism) to carry it out. The latter, using the same minion as an example, would be the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan being controlled directly by Zhaitan.
It may seem nitpickery, but it’s important – just like it’s important whether Glint’s eggs were produced due to her being pregnant before corruption, or if they’re a case of a dragon champion creating more dragon minions (no pregnancy invovled). In one case, you have an individual who has some degree of choice and free will (although heavily altered due to corruption) and decides its own actions and has its own thoughts (again, heavily altered due to corruption), in the latter the Elder Dragon is a puppetmaster and the minions are literally lifeless husks that would cease to function the moment the Elder Dragon stops paying attention.
By all indication, the Elder Dragons are brainwashers, not puppeteers. The risen, icebrood, etc. will all continue to function after the Elder Dragons are dead, because they are all automanous individuals. They don’t require the Elder Dragon to function, no different than you don’t need your government to function. The Elder Dragon isn’t a brain to a single body, it’s the queen of a bee hive (likely a poor comparison, but best I can think of).
They are puppeteers, one of them even made it clear.
Labwan the Deceiver: My will is Zhaitan’s.
Labwan the Deceiver: You and your troops will be his puppets.
The Eye have no choice but to obey Zhaitan, sure the high rank ones have their own intelligence but was still directly controlled by Zhaitan. They do bad things because of the dragon’s direction.
King Reza: Ah… My own hand…my own form. My mind is no longer controlled by the dragon’s curse. Praise the gods, I am free!
King Reza: Yes. We were chained to the dragon,
I believe game devs confirmed Zhaitan bit the dust.
I see it like this. The magic still exists. Zhaitan was a concentration of the magic and actively guided it, using it to corrupt things, but him being gone doesn’t make the magic gone, in fact it would be dispersed back in to the environment, making other concentrations of it, i.e. Teakettle and other undead stronger. It does however mean there isn’t this powerful force going around actively corrupting things and trying to destroy civilization. So that’s a good thing at least.
It turned living into undead, but we can see they do bad things mostly because Zhaitan want them to do it. Now Zhaitan is gone, shouldn’t they lose their goal?
They are puppeteers, one of them even made it clear.
Labwan the Deceiver: My will is Zhaitan’s.
Labwan the Deceiver: You and your troops will be his puppets.The Eye have no choice but to obey Zhaitan, sure the high rank ones have their own intelligence but was still directly controlled by Zhaitan. They do bad things because of the dragon’s direction.
King Reza: Ah… My own hand…my own form. My mind is no longer controlled by the dragon’s curse. Praise the gods, I am free!
King Reza: Yes. We were chained to the dragon,
Firstly, there’s a difference between a risen saying that those it is fighting will become puppets, and that it is a puppet. Remember, risen are compulsive liars who excel at saying demoralizing things.
And no, the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan was not directly controlled by Zhaitan. “My mind is no longer controlled by the dragon’s curse.” – this is not “my mind is no longer controlled by the dragon” but by the dragons CURSE
All risen are autonomous. They do not require Zhaitan’s constant control. They function independently. If Zhaitan stops paying attention, they will not crumple, they will keep acting. There is a difference between being brainwashed and being a puppet.
In the act of corruption, creatures are enslaved, not turned into puppets. Their complete freedom of choice is taken, as they are turned into fanatical sycophants towards the dragon who corrupted them.
It turned living into undead, but we can see they do bad things mostly because Zhaitan want them to do it. Now Zhaitan is gone, shouldn’t they lose their goal?
Why would they? They’ve been brainwashed into believing Zhaitan to be eternal, more powerful than the Six Gods themselves. To them, the concept of Zhaitan’s death is nonexistent, even with its death. This is the point of being brainwashed into drooling fanatical servants. They are not puppets. They do not require Zhaitan’s constant attention – such an army is poor. This is why the weakest of minions know of nothing more than swarming all living things they encounter. They are autonomous, and they function without Zhaitan’s efforts, and with their brainwashing and enslavement, they will serve Zhaitan’s will even if Zhaitan is not giving them direct orders or controlling them directly because that is what they’ve been programmed to do – it is what their brainwashing demands them to do.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
I believe game devs confirmed Zhaitan bit the dust.
I see it like this. The magic still exists. Zhaitan was a concentration of the magic and actively guided it, using it to corrupt things, but him being gone doesn’t make the magic gone, in fact it would be dispersed back in to the environment, making other concentrations of it, i.e. Teakettle and other undead stronger. It does however mean there isn’t this powerful force going around actively corrupting things and trying to destroy civilization. So that’s a good thing at least.
It turned living into undead, but we can see they do bad things mostly because Zhaitan want them to do it. Now Zhaitan is gone, shouldn’t they lose their goal?
What I meant is that while Zhaitan gave focus to this energy of undeath, I think the energy of undeath and the desire to corrupt and rot exists without zhaitan. It just doesn’t have the singular strategic purpose anymore. It seems more like the dragons form naturally as a font of the energy, they don’t make the energy themselves.
Firstly, there’s a difference between a risen saying that those it is fighting will become puppets, and that it is a puppet. Remember, risen are compulsive liars who excel at saying demoralizing things.
“My will is Zhaitan’s” it’s connected with this and she made clear that her will is Zhaitan’s. Again do you have evidence that could counter her words?
And no, the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan was not directly controlled by Zhaitan. “My mind is no longer controlled by the dragon’s curse.” – this is not “my mind is no longer controlled by the dragon” but by the dragons CURSE
Of course they were directly controlled by Zhaitan, they bear its will, obey its order and what they saw could be seen by Zhaitan. It’s even made clear that they were “chained” to it. I don’t understand why are you keep backing evidence after evidence.
King Reza: Yes. We were chained to the dragon, corrupted into monsters that bore Zhaitan’s vision and carried out its will.
All risen are autonomous. They do not require Zhaitan’s constant control. They function independently. If Zhaitan stops paying attention, they will not crumple, they will keep acting. There is a difference between being brainwashed and being a puppet.
All of their known evil action were carrying Zhaitan’s will, their mind are linked with Zhaitan(made clear during the order quest), sure they don’t need Zhaitan’s direction to know "how to do it " but clearly was directed by Zhaitan of “what to do”.
In the act of corruption, creatures are enslaved, not turned into puppets. Their complete freedom of choice is taken, as they are turned into fanatical sycophants towards the dragon who corrupted them.
You kinda don’t get it. “Turned into puppets” does not mean they could not think anymore independently. But their will is bound to Zhaitan, they could not act independently because the dragon’s will direct them. Many many evidences proved this.
Why would they? They’ve been brainwashed into believing Zhaitan to be eternal, more powerful than the Six Gods themselves. To them, the concept of Zhaitan’s death is nonexistent, even with its death. This is the point of being brainwashed into drooling fanatical servants. They are not puppets. They do not require Zhaitan’s constant attention – such an army is poor. This is why the weakest of minions know of nothing more than swarming all living things they encounter. They are autonomous, and they function without Zhaitan’s efforts, and with their brainwashing and enslavement, they will serve Zhaitan’s will even if Zhaitan is not giving them direct orders or controlling them directly because that is what they’ve been programmed to do – it is what their brainwashing demands them to do.
Again there is no proof but bunch of evidence countering your argument. There is no point to state it again and again without a bit of evidence other than your own speculation.
What I meant is that while Zhaitan gave focus to this energy of undeath, I think the energy of undeath and the desire to corrupt and rot exists without zhaitan. It just doesn’t have the singular strategic purpose anymore. It seems more like the dragons form naturally as a font of the energy, they don’t make the energy themselves.
Undead do not mean they are evil, we can see most of them are vicious but do evil thing only because of Zhaitan’s will. Prince Rurik in GW1 also was a good example, he wasn’t evil after became undead, but could not control himself.
Who says Zhaitan is dead.
Given the mess the finale to the PS was, I do believe that ANet might recton Zhaitan being “dead”.
Also, given that we don’t know the full nature of the elder dragons in this world, who says they can even die? They might just go into some recession or slumber only to awake again at a later time.
They may in fact be a force of nature in Tyria and can’t be removed ever, like storms or floods.
“My will is Zhaitan’s” it’s connected with this and she made clear that her will is Zhaitan’s. Again do you have evidence that could counter her words?
A lot – if not all – risen seem to view themselves as special to Zhaitan. Take the Veteran Kitah Conjurer in the Kitah Manse event (open world), who says that Zhaitan specifically chose him – he’s a figure of no consequence, and the Elder Dragons don’t care for their little army of ants.
What she’s saying there is simply “What I desire is what Zhaitan desires.” She isn’t say “Zhaitan is controlling my every action!” And again, this is just narcessism that is common amongst, in all honesty, all Elder Dragon minions – not just risen.
Of course they were directly controlled by Zhaitan, they bear its will, obey its order and what they saw could be seen by Zhaitan. It’s even made clear that they were “chained” to it. I don’t understand why are you keep backing evidence after evidence.
King Reza: Yes. We were chained to the dragon, corrupted into monsters that bore Zhaitan’s vision and carried out its will.
Firstly the “what they saw could be seen by Zhaitan” was unique to the Eyes alone – for the rest, it was just “what they knew, Zhaitan knew” (a subtle difference indeed). Secondly, by arguing they’re puppets you were saying they’re directly controlled by Zhaitan. They don’t bear its will, they think they do, and only the champions follow its orders – but even then they still act autonomously.
All of their known evil action were carrying Zhaitan’s will, their mind are linked with Zhaitan(made clear during the order quest), sure they don’t need Zhaitan’s direction to know "how to do it " but clearly was directed by Zhaitan of “what to do”.
So… the Sovereign Eye letting Trahearne and the PC past 6 champion Risen Knights (which literally could wipe the floor with you if you attack them before the scripting turns them to allies) just to deal with them personally was part of Zhaitan’s will?
No, the champions have a degree of freedom, and this degree of freedom allows them to put their own dragon at threat – something that Zhaitan himself clearly wouldn’t do given that he had attempted to eliminate both Trahearne and the PC well before they could reach their goals, rather than deciding to eliminate them at their goal.
You kinda don’t get it. “Turned into puppets” does not mean they could not think anymore independently. But their will is bound to Zhaitan, they could not act independently because the dragon’s will direct them. Many many evidences proved this.
Actually, it rather does mean exactly that.
Again there is no proof but bunch of evidence countering your argument. There is no point to state it again and again without a bit of evidence other than your own speculation.
Actually, just about every dragon minion line and dialogue about dragon corruption that is beyond “they’re forces of nature” is my base of reasoning.
For example, if you read Edge of Destiny, you are shown the thoughts of two branded individuals and they immediately turn to worship Kralkatorrik, but they still think and act individually. In Arah explorable, it is stated that Glint was given free will; in Edge of Destiny, she explains how she didn’t realize how evil Kralkatorrik was until she heard the thoughts of those she slew (presumably, as she fails to mention the ritual, this was after said ritual).
In Sea of Sorrows, Captain Whiting goes out of his way to bring Cobiah Marriner on board. He even says to retreat after they have him! Is this Zhaitan’s doing? He launched a full scale invasion just to give up after obtaining a single man? That doesn’t sound like an Elder Dragon who couldn’t give a kitten about the mere ants around him. So clearly that’s Whiting’s descretion.
Is it Zhaitan’s will and orders to let Trahearne, who had already proven once he can reverse corruption, into the place Trahearne needed to do exactly that (reverse the corruption)? No, that would be the Sovereign Eye’s arrogance and desire to destroy Trahearne personally.
The very fact that the risen act without change after Zhaitan’s defeat in Arah explorable is proof that they don’t function on Zhaitan’s direct orders, else they’d be going “What do I do oh my lord and master and savior Zhaitan!? What do I do!?!?” – they don’t. They’re still functioning. They’re still corrupting. They’re still praising Zhaitan and claiming Zhaitan demands this and that. They still function as if Zhaitan is alive and kicking, despite the opposite being true. THAT is all the proof that’s really needed, the rest of this is just icing on the cake.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Didn’t Ree do an interview before launch where she mentions that lower tier minions are, in a way, mindless (that is, they don’t formulate plans on their own) and Elder Dragons have champions that organise that kind of thing? We know Tequatl is still alive and kicking, it doesn’t matter whether Zhaitan is dead or not – at least one of its champions is still around giving orders.
A lot – if not all – risen seem to view themselves as special to Zhaitan. Take the Veteran Kitah Conjurer in the Kitah Manse event (open world), who says that Zhaitan specifically chose him – he’s a figure of no consequence, and the Elder Dragons don’t care for their little army of ants.
Who said they don’t ? Zhaitan obviously made a very organized army rather than just raise whatever it saw, according to King Reza, it made the eyes over the king and queen rather than other dead bodies, it roared when some of its champions got slain. Again your analysis didn’t match with what happened at all. The Destroyers simply counter your argument.
Again don’t take your own assumption to twist other’s words, it’s totally pointless.
Firstly the “what they saw could be seen by Zhaitan” was unique to the Eyes alone – for the rest, it was just “what they knew, Zhaitan knew” (a subtle difference indeed). Secondly, by arguing they’re puppets you were saying they’re directly controlled by Zhaitan. They don’t bear its will, they think they do, and only the champions follow its orders – but even then they still act autonomously.
Many evidences suggested that they and Zhaitan were linked. There was no eyes around when Captain Whiting and the Mouth were killed but Zhaitan could still feel it. Again they do bear his will. We don’t see Zhaitan assemble his armies together to give them order, he directly gave them order through their minds. From the battles we don’t see the champions tell the others what to do, they immediately know what to do. Many of them don’t even bear intelligence. Many of them don’t even have much intelligence in their life like cattle, chicken or shark, but they obey Zhaitan’s will and won’t ruin the mission.
Most of the Risen army are nigh-mindless berserkers, possessing only a fraction of the dragon’s willpower.
So… the Sovereign Eye letting Trahearne and the PC past 6 champion Risen Knights (which literally could wipe the floor with you if you attack them before the scripting turns them to allies) just to deal with them personally was part of Zhaitan’s will?
Zhaitan told him to guard this place and vanquish the intruders, he was obeying the dragon’s order. Sure they have intelligence but they were still linked to the dragon and obey its will, that’s all.
Actually, just about every dragon minion line and dialogue about dragon corruption that is beyond “they’re forces of nature” is my base of reasoning.
For example, if you read Edge of Destiny, you are shown the thoughts of two branded individuals and they immediately turn to worship Kralkatorrik, but they still think and act individually. In Arah explorable, it is stated that Glint was given free will; in Edge of Destiny, she explains how she didn’t realize how evil Kralkatorrik was until she heard the thoughts of those she slew (presumably, as she fails to mention the ritual, this was after said ritual).
Kralkatorrik and Zhaitan are different beings. Just like the Destroyers were controlled by the champion or Primordus directly. Without the controller they collapse. Glint was freed from the ritual.
In Sea of Sorrows, Captain Whiting goes out of his way to bring Cobiah Marriner on board. He even says to retreat after they have him! Is this Zhaitan’s doing? He launched a full scale invasion just to give up after obtaining a single man? That doesn’t sound like an Elder Dragon who couldn’t give a kitten about the mere ants around him. So clearly that’s Whiting’s descretion.
He said retreat because the ship took too much damage, not because they had Cobiah. Sure, the dragons aren’t morons, they don’t launch full invasion without enough preparation.
Is it Zhaitan’s will and orders to let Trahearne, who had already proven once he can reverse corruption, into the place Trahearne needed to do exactly that (reverse the corruption)?
Again, the eyes was not trying to let Trahearne enter the chamber, the other rooms were very heavily guarded, it was keep taunting at him that’s all.
The very fact that the risen act without change after Zhaitan’s defeat in Arah explorable is proof that they don’t function on Zhaitan’s direct orders, else they’d be going “What do I do oh my lord and master and savior Zhaitan!? What do I do!?!?” – they don’t. They’re still functioning. They’re still corrupting. They’re still praising Zhaitan and claiming Zhaitan demands this and that. They still function as if Zhaitan is alive and kicking, despite the opposite being true. THAT is all the proof that’s really needed, the rest of this is just icing on the cake.
So you were keep stating that Risen are liars, but now turned up to them to support your argument? That’s kinda weak.
Didn’t Ree do an interview before launch where she mentions that lower tier minions are, in a way, mindless (that is, they don’t formulate plans on their own) and Elder Dragons have champions that organise that kind of thing? We know Tequatl is still alive and kicking, it doesn’t matter whether Zhaitan is dead or not – at least one of its champions is still around giving orders.
It’s like a chain of command. Zhaitan made a big goal-its champions obey its order and make plans-the minions will do what its master say.
Also we can see, other than a few champions(Glint, the Great Destroyer, Drakkar, maybe Lupi), we don’t see the previous wave of the dragons’ minions still exist. So I think without their master or a powerful champion, they could not last for too long. The City of Arah still have some influence because Zhaitan wasn’t dead for long.
But I still aren’t sure about champions’ functioning, they are still linked with the dragon, if they die the dragon gets weakened(great destroyer), why would teq become more powerful?
Is this some long winded way of trying to prove Zhaitan is still alive?
Otherwise I don’t see the point in this argument, since clearly the risen are still shambling around eating brains and such.
Is this some long winded way of trying to prove Zhaitan is still alive?
Otherwise I don’t see the point in this argument, since clearly the risen are still shambling around eating brains and such.
I think they will wither over time without their master or a powerful champion’s control. Plus the Source of Orr is cleansed.
Think of it like this. We killed the leader not the army.
The Risen will remain until they are destroyed or another force takes control of them. Let’s not forget about the rising threat in Elona he could pose to be a bigger threat than Zhaitan was.