Guild Wars 2

So, I read a lot a while ago on the bloodstones and the Unseen etc – whom retained all elements of their magic and hid away from the other races.

Are there any races in GW2 which have ‘full’ magic potential?

Since the bloodstones were by result of the gods (and created by seers), is it possible to negate the effects of said bloodstone?/potentially bring the gods back into the fold? (It is an interesting element after all)

If the Mursaat do return; would their magic be ‘corrupted?’ by the elder dragons?

Would the Mursaat be hive-minded and a pawn of the dragons? Or would they retain the assumed individuality of the race. I would presume the latter, as the Sylvari (a weak race) could resist Modremoth, you’d assume the Mursaat could wholly resist.

I think it would be interesting if the real reason they seem to have trouble reviving Lazarus in the raid is because they haven’t found a fitting vessel for his spirit yet. But what if they somehow kidnap Luminate of the Exalted and use her body as the new vessel for Lazzarus?

It isn’t entirely accurate to say the mursaat retained all their magic. Simply put, we don’t know the order of events between when the mursaat fled and when the bloodstone was created.

The theorized order of events in regard to the mursaat and Seers would be:

• The races ally.
• Mursaat develop Spectral Agony and their partial-stepping-into-the-Mists/Spirit Realm magic, they don’t share
• The Seers, becoming desperate, plan to create the Bloodstone
• The mursaat betray the alliance and wage war on the Seers (presumably because they want to keep their magic which makes them effectively invulnerable and overly powerful)
• The Seers develop a defense against Spectral Agony
• The mursaat flee the world fully rather than see the surviving Seers take their magic
• Seers create original Bloodstone.

Keep in mind that this is still theory, it’s just the most logical of it all. We don’t actually know the placement of when the mursaat developed their magic (just that it was before waging war on the seers) or when the seers came up with the plan to make the Bloodstone or when they actually created it. We also don’t know how these events line up with other events – the Forgotten arriving in the world in 1769 BE, the Forgotten freeing Glint, or Glint hiding the races.

But to answer your questions to the best of my abilities and theories:

Since the bloodstones were by result of the gods (and created by seers), is it possible to negate the effects of said bloodstone?/potentially bring the gods back into the fold? (It is an interesting element after all)

The Bloodstone(s) don’t have an active influence on the world, per se. The seers trapped magic within it, and that was it. It held in magic, but didn’t influence any magic it didn’t hold. The Six Gods tampered with it, empowered it, and shattered it thus dividing magic. The exact nature of their tampering is unknown but we know that it led to dividing magic into four schools that could not be interacted with at the same time – but again, the Bloodstone had no effect on magic entering the world from other means (read: hibernating Elder Dragons).

The existence of GW1’s secondary professions was due to higher ambient magic, in retroactive continuity, and in GW2’s time it’s gone to the point where the Bloodstones’ limitations is effectively ignored.

Can the effects of the Bloodstone be negated? Yes and no. Not directly – as far as we know divine resources are needed to create and alter Bloodstones (what divine resources the Seers had is unknown, but we know they had them). But magic that comes from other sources – like hibernating Elder Dragons and along the ley lines – is unaffected by the Bloodstones.

Will the Six Gods return? Unlikely. They left because, to the best of our knowledge, of the results a simple dispute about how to treat magic and followers was (Abaddon). It resulted in reshaped landscapes and deadlier-than-normal wars. They left not because of the Bloodstone’s alteration, but because of the battle with Abaddon. Given they didn’t return with Nightfall, they likely won’t ever return unless forced to – but how to force them to do that is literally unknown.

If the Mursaat do return; would their magic be ‘corrupted?’ by the elder dragons?

When talking about a “race’s magic” it’s less an actual magical energy and more a magical teaching. That is to say, knowledge of certain spells and the ability to cast them.

So… no. There’d be no reason to believe it would be corrupted by the Elder Dragons – they consume and corrupt with magic, but they can’t destroy teachings and knowledge without wiping out all of the sources of those teachings and knowledge (in this case, the mursaat race), and they can’t corrupt the teachings and knowledge itself either (just corrupt users of it).

Would the Mursaat be hive-minded and a pawn of the dragons?

Only if corrupted, like any other race in the world.

Or would they retain the assumed individuality of the race. I would presume the latter, as the Sylvari (a weak race) could resist Modremoth, you’d assume the Mursaat could wholly resist.

The sylvari are purified dragon minions. The mursaat are just a race like the charr, asura, norn, etc. Sylvari are a 100% unique situation.

If a mursaat is corrupted, then they are corrupted – their minds effectively brainwashed/overwritten, their free will gone.

Unless purified in a way like Glint and – by all indication – the seeds of the Pale Tree’s cave (so the Pale Tree, Malyck’s Tree, etc.), then no dragon minion can resist their dragon. The Mordrem Guard are the closest thing to a dragon minion that could resist their dragon – but this seems largely because the sylvari were “descended” from purified dragon champions and/or were tied to the Dream of Dreams (something not innately part of Mordremoth/mordrem kitten many people tend to believe – proof: Malyck & White Stag).

cptaylor.2670:

I think it would be interesting if the real reason they seem to have trouble reviving Lazarus in the raid is because they haven’t found a fitting vessel for his spirit yet. But what if they somehow kidnap Luminate of the Exalted and use her body as the new vessel for Lazzarus?

Lazarus never died. He has his body. They don’t seem to be reviving Lazarus so much as trying to fix what was done to him in GW1 (tampering with his magic/soul).

The Exalted don’t really have bodies either – they are energy encased in metal.

Though if they did give Lazarus (or other mursaat) Exalted-like bodies, we know how to instantly and permanently kill them: tear off the mask!

Konig Des Todes.2086:

As far as I read, the Seers created the bloodstone purely to stop Elder Dragon corruption of magic. It was only later that the gods?, after Doric requesting it to end bloodshed, stored the ‘four?’ magical types within the bloodstones, limiting the races use of magic – All apart from the Mursaat who fled at this point and disappeared.

I would assume it was after this that the Mursaat and Seers waged war.
As prior to this was the alliance of all races.

You write well, and definitely have more info on the more recent aspects in GW2 that I may not have seen.

I think this race is just far too interesting to throw away with one final survivor from GW1. Does it not seem strange that such a powerful race annihilated themselves in one small battle? They were preventing the Flameseeker prophecies from occuring, literally preventing the Titans from destroying everything. Obviously their methods were a bit.. ehhh, lol.

Thanks for the post by the way. All an interesting read to me

The Seers stopped the corruption by hiding the uncorrupted magic within the stone. The gods didn’t store anything in it, but unsealed and split up what the Seers had already put in.

The history of the Bloodstone(s), summarized:

It was created less to stop Elder Dragon corruption of magic, and more as a means to save some magic for after the Elder Dragons go to sleep. As per “A Study in Gold:”: “In olden times, when the Dragons stirred, it fell to the Seers to set aside a reservoir of magic for the upcoming drought.”

They filled the Bloodstone with uncorrupted magic. This led to an early ‘starvation’ of the Elder Dragons and, without enough food, forced them into hibernation – best to our knowledge, that is.

The Six Gods later tampered with the Bloodstone – specifically speaking, Abaddon – granting magic to the world. The exact nature isn’t known, but our most latest information says Abaddon gave the Bloodstone itself to some races. This lead to wars, King Doric saw the potential destruction of his people and pleaded with the gods to take back the ‘gift of magic’ and they did so, tampering with it again (at some point, they empowered it by siphoning magic from Zhaitan – not knowing the source of what they were siphoning) and dividing it into five stones (four schools of magic + one keystone needed to reunite the other four pieces).

The mursaat would be affected by the tampering of the bloodstone if they were around, or returned at that point. But only because all of the world’s magic was affected. The situation for the mursaat’s ability to use magic in general is no different than any other races – if an individual went to where the mursaat were at the time of the Exodus, they’d have just as much luck (or lack of) with using magic.

*Does it not seem strange that such a powerful race annihilated themselves in one small battle? *

I don’t get where you got that “small battle” from. The events of Prophecies were a series of battles, followed by entities capable of perfectly countering the mursaat’s magic hunting them down.

The GW1 characters, empowered with methods to bypass their defenses and protect against their offenses, slaughtered hundreds of mursaat to defend Thunderhead Keep/the dwarves and Shining Blade, and hundreds more fighting their way to the Door of Komalie.

This was then followed by the titans – naturally immune to the mursaat’s offenses and defenses – hunting them down on Khilbron’s orders.

This was not a “small battle” – it was a series of large battles, followed by a genocidal hunt.

They were preventing the Flameseeker prophecies from occuring, literally preventing the Titans from destroying everything.

They were hardly trying to prevent the titans from destroying everything. All their lore show that the mursaat are nothing more than selfish kittens who will slaughter entire races to save their own butts.

During the previous dragonrise, they attempted genocide to keep their magic which gave them an advantage against the Elder Dragons, and fled the world with that advantage when they failed that genocide.

During GW1, they slaughtered thousands of Krytans and sent their souls into maddening torment just to prevent a prophecy that only mentioned their race’s destruction (as far as we know, the Flameseeker Prophecies didn’t mention that the titans would destroy the world – after all, they were more devastating than Glint had foreseen ).

In fact, nothing indicates the mursaat knew the threat behind the Door of Komalie would be the titans. After all, all we ever heard about what was behind the Door was: “Seek the flame, for within it lies the power to destroy both good and evil.” as well as various lines of a “time of judgment” happening.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

They were preventing the Flameseeker prophecies from occuring, literally preventing the Titans from destroying everything.

They were hardly trying to prevent the titans from destroying everything. All their lore show that the mursaat are nothing more than selfish kittens who will slaughter entire races to save their own butts.

During GW1, they slaughtered thousands of Krytans and sent their souls into maddening torment just to prevent a prophecy that only mentioned their race’s destruction (as far as we know, the Flameseeker Prophecies didn’t mention that the titans would destroy the world – after all, they were more devastating than Glint had foreseen ).

Another good post. In regards to the reasoning behind the Chosen being sacrificed, as it was to prevent the release of whatever was behind the Door of Komalie, due to it being the ‘doom’ of the Mursaat, technically, they did prevent them from being released until the Flameseeker prophecies could be fulfilled (not that they were waiting for it or anything). Of course they are a selfish race, but it is quite fitting that the all-powerful race forsake the others to save their own skin. It’s another of the traits which doesn’t add up for me, in that they would even fight instead of hide, or that the entirety of their race would be stationed at these locations or in the final battle for Lions Arch. You’d imagine they would try everything to survive, even in the apolcalyptic setting for them with the titans being released. I just find it to be a bit of an incongruency in that one of the most powerful races died in such fashion.

Animism.9803:

It’s another of the traits which doesn’t add up for me, in that they would even fight instead of hide, or that the entirety of their race would be stationed at these locations or in the final battle for Lions Arch. You’d imagine they would try everything to survive, even in the apolcalyptic setting for them with the titans being released.

The fact that Lazarus was desperate enough to split his own essence and hide it in humans indicates, to me, that they couldn’t simply run or hide from the titans. If they could, after all, why would he have ever gone to such lengths? That being the case, it makes perfect sense that they would line up to die at Abaddon’s Mouth (and, indeed, Thunderhead Keep), since that was their only hope of survival.

As for afterwards, I see more wiggle room there. The fact that there were mursaat left to kill in the War in Kryta obviously indicates that a small number were able to escape the titans- either they took similarly desperate measures as Lazarus, but actually succeeded, or else our intervention at Hell’s Precipice and afterwards took out the titans before they could finish the job. Assuming their tyranny of Kryta was only meant to counter the titans, I would definitely expect more to slip away than to put themselves at risk. Then again, everything we know about the mursaat suggests that they’re spiteful and vengeful, and maybe those traits are ingrained enough to overrule good sense.

All in all, my opinion? It’s conceivable that there are still mursaat around, but only a few, maybe at best a modest cabal. They won’t be coming back as an entire race.

WHAT IF…..the White Mantle were under orders from the Mursaat to gather as much bloodstones as possible to use as soul batteries? What if the Mursaat used these batteries to fully charge their powers? What if they needed said powers to turn on their true boss….a Bloodstone Dragon! And the body of Saul D’Alessio was the fully charged soul battery keeping said dragon locked up? Just saying…..