Guild Wars 2

So, I am playing my revenant when I had a thought about the stances. The heroes you invoke as a revenant are either dead or in the mists right?

Last thing we knew about Jalis and the dwarves was that they turned to stone and went underground to fight primordus, that’s all we know so far. Revenants being able to invoke Jalis’ power means he’s been defeated underground? Isn’t that a major spoiler?

Cause we know Mallyx, Shiro and Ventari are dead already, but Jalis was never confirmed. Am I missing something?

The mists make up everything and thus contain everything in time and space.

In some part of the mists these being can all be well alive and if you look at fractals, we can even interact with them in some form.

The mists is not the realm of the dead, but everything. Think multi-dimension theory.

We invoke echoes of beings from any time and space.

btw. I am still waiting on a future hero with lasers pew pew. I want my Flash Gordon.

Yeah, like Jaken says, the mists connect to all places and all times, so you can find echoes of people not even born yet in your time, it could honestly be possible to find an echo of yourself, I believe.

More specifically, there’s nothing saying that the legends we invoke have to be dead.

On Jalis- a better indication of his status than his inclusion in revenant would be this book, although both thrust at the same conclusion: presumed dead, with no way of telling whether that’s actually correct.

Again though, the rite of the Great Dwarf changed the race, and the individuals changed too. Their personalities changed, and they became focused on a specific goal, almost to a fault. Ogden’s Eulogy could be read as a Eulogy for the dwarf that King Jalis was before the rite changed him. Plus the book itself does not claim to know the result of the charge into the destroyer nest. We have no absolute proof of the death of King Jalis.

Given the wording of Ogden being “the last dwarf” throughout Season 2 (as opposed to “the last surface dwarf” throughout all of pre-release and the initial release content) does seem to be giving that ArenaNet’s decided they’re all dead except Ogden.

As sad as that may be.

i recall the eotn dwarves having their minds linked after the rite so ogdan should know if jalis is dead or not

Nothing actually indicated their minds were linked in the sense of telepathy of sensing one another. Rather, what was said/shown is that their minds were altered.

The closest indication to linked minds is Gwen saying: The Great Dwarf’s power is connected to Jalis’s followers.

But that’s about power not minds.

So we basicaly have Odgens Jalis, neither dead or alive, till someone finds his body.

Let’s presume we put a dwarfen king into an unwinable fight underground, where no one can follow.
How do we know if he is dead, when we go look for him.

I think the priory should do a book about this…

Jaken.6801:

How do we know if he is dead, when we go look for him.

Look for a pile of rubble that has rocks which looks suspiciously like a finger… a toe… a nose…

Didn´t we have Jalis statues down there, can be a bit tricky

Konig, most of the time Ogden is mentioned as the Last Dwarf it’s by himself isn’kitten If so, this could merely be an assumption on his part because the lack of evidence that they have survived since he left them. Based off of what we’ve seen it seems like they went into a situation which he didn’t expect them to survive, but he wasn’t there to see them fall himself.

I don’t think Ogden ever calls himself the last dwarf, actually. I was mainly referring to during Hidden Arcana when…

Marjory Delaqua: Kas, he’s one of the most magical beings I’ve ever met. He’s a dwarf, the last of his race on the surface of Tyria. Grenth alone knows how old he is, hundreds of years, at least.
Player: Tell Kasmeer what happened to the others.
Marjory: Centuries ago, many dwarfs turned themselves to stone to save Tyria from Primordus’s champion. Most went underground to fight Destroyers. Ogden remains so their sacrifices would never be forgotten.

And…

Magister Ela Makkay: Magister Stonehealer is going to help you gather information on the Elder Dragons.
Magister Ela Makkay: He rarely agrees to such things. I will warn you, he’s quite old and has little patience. He’s the last of his kind.

In fact, in the norn personal story, Ogden explicitly mentions that he is not the last dwarf:

Player: How did you outlive the rest of your kind?
Ogden: I didn’t. The few survivor now battle servants of the Elder Dragon Primordus, deep underground. I alone remain above, to tell the tale.

The only other time I can find him talking about dwarves other than the book mentioned higher above is during the same mission(s – at least two (Priory and Vigil) have this dialogue with him, I want to say OoW does too but wiki doesn’t show it):

I’d heard dwarves were extinct. Are there many left?

Ogden: As a race of flesh and blood, we became extinct over 200 years ago. We made a great sacrifice to defeat the destroyers, servants of the Elder Dragon Primordus.
Player: I’d like to hear more about that.
Ogden: Our king protected us with a ritual. Unfortunately, it turned us to stone, immortal but not invulnerable. It strengthened our spirits, and the few survivors fight far below the ground.

The closest thing he gets to mentioning the fate of the dwarves in S2 as far as I can tell is:

Ogden Stonehealer: I was in the Brotherhood of the Dwarves.
Ogden Stonehealer: I am now its sole surviving member. We were the keepers of Glint’s legacy.

But that’s just about the Brotherhood of the Dwarves.

And IIRC, no one prior to Season 2 actually state that Ogden is the last living dwarf, rather than the last surface dwarf – Ogden included.