Guild Wars 2

Is the absence of resurrection magic in GW2 canonical, or just gameplay? If it is canon, does it suggest that Dhuum has defeated Grenth or at least grown substantially in power?

It is canon, something caused resurrection magic to not work anymore sometime between GW1 and GW2. We don’t know why this is, but it does explain why in GW2 the game is always careful to call it downed or defeated, never dead. It is one of the reasons monks no longer exist in GW2, they lost one of their most powerful forms of magic available to them.

perilisk.1874:

Is the absence of resurrection magic in GW2 canonical, or just gameplay? If it is canon, does it suggest that Dhuum has defeated Grenth or at least grown substantially in power?

Wow that’s actually an interesting question I like to know that too!

This is just speculation but if a God can absorb the power of a Elder Dragon That could mean either Grenth or Dhuum absorb a portion of Zhaitan power…

If it was Dhuum, that would explain “Shadow Behemoth” and all the shadow creatures out in the world torturing spirits etc. Honestly I like a Zhaitan Meta like in Dragon Stand “Mordy” but in Orr… Man that dragon looks too good to be lock dead behind old content especially now with so much stuff happening in living world story!

Can you explain why no resurrection magic in GW2 might imply that Dhuum has defeated Grenth?

OriOri.8724:

Can you explain why no resurrection magic in GW2 might imply that Dhuum has defeated Grenth?

I think they are referring to this tiny portion of Dhuun lore:

“Dhuum was once the God of Death. During his reign, Dhuum ruled from his tower in the Underworld, and tolerated neither resurrections nor the existence of the undead, and he hunted down all those who escaped death, having promised “death undeniable.”

(https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dhuum)

It is canon. It’s even a plot point in CoF explorable.

There’s no stated explanation for it in lore, though we do know the developer reasoning (tl;dr “it cheapens plot deaths”).

There are two major theories for why it happened. Either Dhuum defeated Grenth slash Dhuum’s return (without defeating Grenth yet) negated, revoked, or otherwise prevents Grenth allowing resurrection. Or Grenth (and the other gods) simply ceasing communication also involves ceasing such allowances with their realms.

Ngeluz.4860:

This is just speculation but if a God can absorb the power of a Elder Dragon That could mean either Grenth or Dhuum absorb a portion of Zhaitan power…

If it was Dhuum, that would explain “Shadow Behemoth” and all the shadow creatures out in the world torturing spirits etc. Honestly I like a Zhaitan Meta like in Dragon Stand “Mordy” but in Orr… Man that dragon looks too good to be lock dead behind old content especially now with so much stuff happening in living world story!

Dhuum slash Grenth would have had to be in Tyria upon Zhaitan’s death. But we already got canon fact that Zhaitan’s power had spread throughout the world, it wasn’t absorbed by any singular other being.

We know Tequatl absorbed some of that power. Taimi speculates that Mordremoth did. And we know Primordus did. But most seemed to have gone back into the world (as well as Mordremoth’s) and that’s why we’re having overflowing ley lines (Current Events).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It is canon. It’s even a plot point in CoF explorable.

There’s no stated explanation for it in lore, though we do know the developer reasoning (tl;dr “it cheapens plot deaths”).

There are two major theories for why it happened. Either Dhuum defeated Grenth slash Dhuum’s return (without defeating Grenth yet) negated, revoked, or otherwise prevents Grenth allowing resurrection. Or Grenth (and the other gods) simply ceasing communication also involves ceasing such allowances with their realms.

Ngeluz.4860:

This is just speculation but if a God can absorb the power of a Elder Dragon That could mean either Grenth or Dhuum absorb a portion of Zhaitan power…

If it was Dhuum, that would explain “Shadow Behemoth” and all the shadow creatures out in the world torturing spirits etc. Honestly I like a Zhaitan Meta like in Dragon Stand “Mordy” but in Orr… Man that dragon looks too good to be lock dead behind old content especially now with so much stuff happening in living world story!

Dhuum slash Grenth would have had to be in Tyria upon Zhaitan’s death. But we already got canon fact that Zhaitan’s power had spread throughout the world, it wasn’t absorbed by any singular other being.

We know Tequatl absorbed some of that power. Taimi speculates that Mordremoth did. And we know Primordus did. But most seemed to have gone back into the world (as well as Mordremoth’s) and that’s why we’re having overflowing ley lines (Current Events).

Oh, that makes a lot of sense thank you for that clarification… thank goodness for Lore gurus like yourself! thanx.

Do you think it’s possible for Anet to create a Meta in Orr that would allow us to fight Zhaitan? Because now that we have gliding I love to be able to SEE that magnificent Artwork of a Elder Dragon attacking players like Mordy in Dragon Stand final phase Meta! That dragon is still in my book one of the most coolest undead Dragon in mmo’s I ever played… better even that the one that appears in Wrath of the Lich King intro movie!

Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? No. Lore wise Zhaitan is dead, there’s no way to tie him back into the story without something that would amount to a giant kitten YOU to the players. And since all development on new maps (and hence any new metas we might get) is focused by the ongoing story, there is no chance of a meta featuring Zhaitan ever happening.

I’d love it if it did, but it won’t happen

OriOri.8724:

Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? No. Lore wise Zhaitan is dead, there’s no way to tie him back into the story without something that would amount to a giant kitten YOU to the players. And since all development on new maps (and hence any new metas we might get) is focused by the ongoing story, there is no chance of a meta featuring Zhaitan ever happening.

I’d love it if it did, but it won’t happen

Sigh* What a waste of such great art development concept… Thank you for your input it makes lots of sense… even if its disappointing. It seems such a waste that Zhaitan be lock in such a tiny part of the game, he even looks better than “Mordy”, wth man, I can’t believe the GW2 Dev team haven’t even consider it at this point!? Sigh* QQ and more Sigh*…[Lights a candle in respect of all that effort than when into creating it] RIP Zhaitan you will be miss, forever.

But you brought a valid point as to why its not happening ever, thanx again.