Guild Wars 2

I never played GW1 but was reading up on the lore behind the race called the Mursaat. Apparently they were a bunch of jerks that ran Kryta for a bit until some heroes became Ascended, and got some infused armor to help against their agonizing attacks.

Fast forward to GW2, and we have the fractals. We all know the routine, get Ascended gear, and infuse it with agony resistance to survive the attacks of bosses. Sounds familiar.

But where do the fractals come from? They’ve been described as alternate dimensions or universes or moments in history. They’re a mystery. Another world.

If you run Path 2 of Arah on Explorer, you find out that the remaining Mursaat entered another dimension when the dragons awoke. They took their ball and went home, as it were. What if that home is the Fractals, and we caught them in the act of trying to alter history (Uncatagorized and Ascalon) or being evil (Cliffside, Grawl, Underwater). Do you think that Fractals may lead to us discovering where the Mursaat went and fighting them again?

Fractals are in the mists, just like Heart of The Mists (sPvP) and the WvW maps. It are the mists itself that create these locations and events (Sometimes based on the history of Tyria) and not anyone who lives there. The remaining Mursaat probably reside at Janthir Bay.

I think they’re dead
At the end of GW1, (someone correct me if I’m way off), there’s only one mursaat still known, ‘Lazarus the Dire’. It’s true they could reproduce asexually or something, but imo they’re just hiding right now, waiting for the moment to strike instead of trying to rule the world with dragons about.

The Fractals are simply part of the Mists. The Mists being the space between worlds that connects all universes together. It’s made of… well I think the best word we’ve been given is a proto-matter or something similar. Anyways the Mists actually take strong memories of the past and recreates them (hence the Ascalon Fractal, but also the Battle for Kylo, among other PvP maps in the Mists). As mentioned in another thread, the Mists cannot change history. They are not going back in time, but rather recreating a moment in time, or trying to. Think of it as looking through fun house mirrors. You can recognize what’s in them, but they’re off, distorted, imperfect, but still can offer useful glimpses of past, present, and future events in the Guild Wars universe.

Is it possible there’s a link between the Agony used by bosses in the Fractals and the Mursaat? Quite possibly, but I’ll remain skeptical until more concrete evidence shows itself.

I’m not really sure that we would even have the ability to see Mursaat, we don’t know if they’re still invisible in the mists. Anyway, the one Mursaat we presume to be alive could be hiding in the mists, but my money’s on Lazarus controlling the remaining white mantle.

Kami.7369:

If you run Path 2 of Arah on Explorer, you find out that the remaining Mursaat entered another dimension when the dragons awoke. They took their ball and went home, as it were. What if that home is the Fractals, and we caught them in the act of trying to alter history (Uncatagorized and Ascalon) or being evil (Cliffside, Grawl, Underwater). Do you think that Fractals may lead to us discovering where the Mursaat went and fighting them again?

You got a fact wrong.

They fled from home not fled to home. They left the world – their homeland – of Tyria in order to flee the Elder Dragons. Naturally, this means they went into the Mists.

The Mists are, effectively, the building blocks of existence. Those fractals are natural occurrences. The Mists are also, effectively, the multiverse itself – surrounding all things and being the origin of all things.

Mystic Starfish.2586:

I think they’re dead
At the end of GW1, (someone correct me if I’m way off), there’s only one mursaat still known, ‘Lazarus the Dire’. It’s true they could reproduce asexually or something, but imo they’re just hiding right now, waiting for the moment to strike instead of trying to rule the world with dragons about.

What you’re wrong on is their reproduction – which we know nothing about. Or their genders.

Excelliate.7914:

Anyway, the one Mursaat we presume to be alive could be hiding in the mists, but my money’s on Lazarus controlling the remaining white mantle.

I think that’s where everyone’s money is on. I’m expecting him to be chilling out either in Fort Vandal, or at another bandit/White Mantle fort near the bloodstone in the Maguuma Jungle.

Or in the Wizard’s Tower.

I meant to say could as in it’s possible, we just don’t know :p

You made it sound like “they’re capable of doing it, but they don’t have to”

Just from reading this and recalling what I remember from the Mursaat in GW1 (along with the story of Saul D’Alesio (sp) …
the Mursaat strikes me as beings who originally came from the mists (or at least “through” it from another world). We met a seer who told us that we would be the ones to do what its entire race could not do .. destroy the Mursaat and fulfill the Flameseeker Prophesies.
We “destroyed” the Mursaat to fulfill that prophesy, but it doesn’t say that we destroyed them completely. I think that would be another story which would make sense.

Well the Flameseeker prophecy was not about the Mursaat and how to kill them, it was merely a part of it, because they opposed Abaddon and his plans. He had to get rid of them. The core of Flameseeker prophecy is about the opening of the door of Komalie and the subsequent release of the titans. This is what fullfills the prophecy.

Thanks for that info BuddhaKeks.

He no problem. I’m trying to be a hell of a lot more to be correct, when I’m posting on forums, since I’m always afraid that Konig’s sarcophagus pops open, because his misconception-sense is tingling and he strikes down to correct me. xD (No offense, Konig, I have nothing against being corrected if I’m wrong^^)

Don’t worry, he gets us all, friend and foe alike x.x

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Well the Flameseeker prophecy was not about the Mursaat and how to kill them, it was merely a part of it, because they opposed Abaddon and his plans. He had to get rid of them. The core of Flameseeker prophecy is about the opening of the door of Komalie and the subsequent release of the titans. This is what fullfills the prophecy.

You make it sound like the Prophecies was all Abaddon’s plot. The truth is that the mursaat were just trying to save their hides (well, okay, they might have known that the titans were a threat to all Tyria like the common desire of players is, but given Arah lore, that’s increasingly unlikely given that they’ve kitten the rest of the world to save their own hides before) – they knew about the Prophecies and thus killed any potential Chosen off, and used said Chosen to keep the Door of Komalie sealed.

Whether they knew what was behind it is unknown, just as it is unknown whether they even knew about Abaddon – keep in mind, they left the world long before the Six Gods arrived, and returned as the Unseen Ones (meaning they held no interaction with known history until Saul), so they easily could have returned with absolutely no knowledge of a sixth god.

Though it’s a very kitten good chance Abaddon knew of them, though not necessarily knew of the Prophecies or what blocked off the Door of Komalie. We do know that the forgotten within the Realm of Torment and, supposedly, the Fury didn’t know what was on the other side of the Door of Komalie:

“The Fury and his minions await the opening of the Door of Komalie, a gateway that leads from here into Tyria. Some years ago a powerful lich…another powerful minion of Abaddon…opened a gateway. It only remained open a brief time, but countless souls were sent through to become titans. Fortunately, for reasons unknown to me, the Door of Komalie was closed almost immediately.”

BuddhaKeks.4857:

He no problem. I’m trying to be a hell of a lot more to be correct, when I’m posting on forums, since I’m always afraid that Konig’s sarcophagus pops open, because his misconception-sense is tingling and he strikes down to correct me. xD (No offense, Konig, I have nothing against being corrected if I’m wrong^^)

rofl

This made me smile. In the “it’s a little insulting but still kitten funny” kind of way.

Yeah, pretty much what I ment actually, but my wording was rather ambiguous. All I was saying is that the main focus of the prophecy was someone (the Flameseeker) opens the Door of Komalie. The Mursaat just happened to know enough about the prophecy that they knew it would kill them, so they tried to prevent it and maybe in an “you can’t trick fate” kind of way, actually mada it happen, since they are all (or atleast many of them) on the fire islands, while the titans come out of the portal.

Also I’m the master of charming insults

Well, if you want to get technical, by the time the Door of Komalie’s opened they’re mostly wiped out by the players

“With the Mursaat in shambles, there is no one left to stop the Lich but me.”

But this journal of the player characters also say the mursaat were trying to protect the world (lol).

The titans were only on “clean-up” duty.

Yeah seeing what Arah reveals about the Mursaat, protecting the world seems rather unlikely. I presume it’s more like this:

Brave Sir Mursaat ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Mursaat turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Mursaat!

- The Ballad of Brave Sir Robin Mursaat