Guild Wars 2

Either that or https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/delegation/ was written by a 14 year old tween girl for fanfiction.net

Haven’t read it yet, but I just want to say- another one? Really?

Rytlock is becoming irritating. I thought his angst had been eliminated.

They will keep doing these short stories, so better get used to it. I don’t mind them, but sometimes they put important info in them that SHOULD be in game somehow.

Garenthal.1480:

Rytlock is becoming irritating. I thought his angst had been eliminated.

Imagine Rytlock saying this to you* S-stupid Gar-kun, its not like i want you to think of me as a ferocious and powerful charr instead of a jelly yaoi cat or anything like that, so dont get the wrong idea.

God now i imagine him as a gundere with all that Charr war tech.

Im not sure where your getting tsundere from. It sounded like classic Rytlock to me. He was just in a bad mood at the time.

About the short stories in general, people need to remember that they are a different medium. In many cases they cant just be transfered into the game in any easy context. Sure we could learn about Braham’s family details or Rox’s past tragidy but would they really open up about that to someone they had just met? Marjory’s story falls under this too. She isnt going to share those details with us until we know her better and they become relivent.

Plus the stories take almost no resources to implement. Trying to put said lore ingame takes alot more manpower and time. Now I do agree that I want more lore in game, but I dont see why they should stop with the short stories. Its not like they are detracting from anything.

Lets go over Rytlock/Logan relationship – Hate, Logan saves him, Rytlock is swooning, Rytlock almost weeps when Logan “sacrifices” himself at Arah, Logan is happy Rytlock is kinda nor so kitten ed off at him anymore, now when Rytlock gets reminded that Logan is with the Queen all the time, he gets kitten ed off and manages to sound more feminine than the 2 charr he interacts with, Logan is all emo again over what happened quite the long time ago.
Please tell me how that isnt either a bad tsundere or the writers also making twilight yaoi/furry fanfiction.

Andele, about how the Living Storys treat Rytlock/Logan’s relationship – as far as I have seen, Rytlock’s no longer kitten ed at Logan. But they don’t show that they’re buddy-buddy because of their whole “we don’t want to create a ‘paradox’ where you experience the Living Story before the Personal Story” (which such a paradox is only possible because they decided that the living story shouldn’t be a mechanical continuation of the personal story and permanent, despite the fact that canonically the LS takes place after the PS).

In other words, the problem isn’t so much that Rytlock and Logan’s opinions of each other got reverted. They’re not changed. The problem is that Anet can’t decide how they want to do their freaking game and their new plan clashes with how they first presented the game (cuz they don’t want to ever be retroactive).

His line in the short story about Logan isn’t anywhere near a revert. Hell, it seems to be a continuation of where things were left off – to him, they were “talking” not quite back to how things were before snaff’s death, he admits that he was more mad at himself than Logan (and doubly so for acting such a way to his friend), which made him remorseful when he thought Logan died (“he was my friend and I treated him like kitten for all these years, now I’ll never be able to repay my actions”), but he still finds Logan’s love for Jennah irritating as he always had since even Edge of Destiny’s events.

Rytlock’s view on Logan doesn’t seem to have gone back to how things were at the beginning of the game in the least. Nor does Logan go all emo again over the Watchknight’s pretending of being Rytlock – though it did open memories of old wounds.

I think anyone would be irritated when looking at Logan’s relationship with the Jenna, since it basically started out with, “She’s so pretty! I must be in love with her!”. I doubt Rytlock has romantic feelings for Logan. I just think he doesn’t want to deal with Logan’s lovesick swooning the whole time he’s there.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Rytlock’s view on Logan doesn’t seem to have gone back to how things were at the beginning of the game in the least. Nor does Logan go all emo again over the Watchknight’s pretending of being Rytlock – though it did open memories of old wounds.

Whatever about the rest (since yeah they could just be cheezing out of explaining the time line by giving a neutral “living story”), but how is Logan crying to Rox about how the kitty in armor “huwrt meh feevings”. Like someone needs to kittenslap logan till he either breaks and just plain works as a slave or mans up and takes responsibility of what he did, because a person that has doubts in his decisions that influenced others means that he had no right to even decide.

Erukk.1408:

I doubt Rytlock has romantic feelings for Logan. I just think he doesn’t want to deal with Logan’s lovesick swooning the whole time he’s there.

Noone thinks there is RxL stuff, its just that bad dialogue causes some very unfortunate implications that we should make fun off.

Logan wasn’t crying…. I think you read much more into the lowered tone than there really was.

And if you did the dungeons and personal storyline – especially street rat as a human – you would outright know that Logan did not doubt his decision. He regretted that he couldn’t make it back in time to help and that his actions caused Snaff’s death, but he views the matter of “no matter what happened, a death would have occurred” and has came to terms with himself about it.

The lowered voice was just over the fact that Anise went and reopened old wounds as a “joke.” He wasn’t crying or going all emo. It would be like if you got into a fit of rage and punched your significant other and months after putting it behind the two of you, someone cracks a joke about said event. You wouldn’t be unphased either, but you wouldn’t be breaking down like you claim Logan was (again: he wasn’t).

Think about it, if you had recently come to terms with an old friend who you had been at odds with for years, and someone told you to fight his image, would you just go “Oh, cool, okay!”? Add to that the fact that charr and humans have generally been enemies, that’s like Anise telling Logan that Rytlock is an enemy of humanity, and that Logan shouldn’t trust him.

I’d find it extremely disappointing in terms of story writing if he hadn’t gotten angry.

To respond in order: he was (or at least the VA was trying his best/worst)

He doesnt doubt his decision to save the queen, he does the fact that he joined and then abbandoned DE, different things.

Anise is a tease, everyone who doesnt notice it on the first look (and her profession) doesnt really have the brightest light.

Id probably get kicked 4 times harder in a place that could be called the royal jewels if something like that were to happen and just so, Logan should have been executed by all rights (not only because Balthazar doesnt approve of cowards as we all quite know, not only from all the fights he caused in GW1 – hell pvp in lore exists because of his love for slaughter, but also the 2 missions that include his influnce that turns people into killing machines, but because he allowed a elder dragon to survive over a “true ancestor” of the human royal bloodline.

Would be okay if Rytlock was a female….but he’s a male… O.O

Andele.1306:

To respond in order: he was (or at least the VA was trying his best/worst)

Except that he wasn’t crying. Did you actually look at the animations or listen to the VO? Because he wasn’t crying. He did sound downed by what Rox said (that Rytlock would never say such things to his allies, yet he did), but that’s not the same as crying.

Hell, it seems to me that he was more upset over Rox’s attempt to defend Rytlock than over Anise’s actions.

Andele.1306:

He doesnt doubt his decision to save the queen, he does the fact that he joined and then abbandoned DE, different things.

He doesn’t doubt that either.

Andele.1306:

Anise is a tease, everyone who doesnt notice it on the first look (and her profession) doesnt really have the brightest light.

Doesn’t mean the things she does won’t hurt.

Andele.1306:

Id probably get kicked 4 times harder in a place that could be called the royal jewels if something like that were to happen and just so, Logan should have been executed by all rights (not only because Balthazar doesnt approve of cowards as we all quite know, not only from all the fights he caused in GW1 – hell pvp in lore exists because of his love for slaughter, but also the 2 missions that include his influnce that turns people into killing machines, but because he allowed a elder dragon to survive over a “true ancestor” of the human royal bloodline.

PvP and Balthazar actually have nothing to do with each other in lore. The closest connection is that the Zaishen in GW1 managed PvP and they worshiped Balthazar back then. PvP was always about personal glory and honor, and in GW2 it holds no ties to Balthazar except the oddly placed motifs of Balthazar in WvW.

Here I thought you were talking about a relationship between Rox and Rytlock…

I can see it being possible but disappointed with the lack of speculation in this thread.

Andele.1306:

Anise is a tease, everyone who doesnt notice it on the first look (and her profession) doesnt really have the brightest light.

Anise is a tease. How does that change the fact that she was not only being extremely insensitive, but inciting hatred between charr and humans and dismissing the friendship between Logan and Rytlock as well?

Andele.1306:

Id probably get kicked 4 times harder in a place that could be called the royal jewels if something like that were to happen and just so, Logan should have been executed by all rights (not only because Balthazar doesnt approve of cowards as we all quite know, not only from all the fights he caused in GW1 – hell pvp in lore exists because of his love for slaughter, but also the 2 missions that include his influnce that turns people into killing machines, but because he allowed a elder dragon to survive over a “true ancestor” of the human royal bloodline.

You are writing as if it was ever certain the plan would succeed if Logan was there. It was either seeing the plan through and maybe defeating the elder dragon, but also leave Jennah to her fate, possibly plunging Kryta in war with the charr and itself. I’d say it was a fairly logical choice. You can say whatever you want in hindsight, but as Konig said in the other thread more relevant to this particular subject, Logan is no fortune teller.

And what does Balthazar have to do with anything? He’s taking his divine nap in Fissure of Woe and cares not about mortal business.

People seem to overlook the fact that Logan didnt run away from danger when he went to Jennah’s aid when they call him a coward. Infact, he was running towards danger not way from it. Ebonhawke was a slaughterhouse. The only reason that anyone including Logan survived was because Jennah recovered enough to trick the branded into leaving.

Currently I think they are handling their attempt to avoid forcing the living world into a timeline with the PS resonably well. Both Rytlock’s attitude and Logan’s reaction fit both before and after the event. I think its going to reach a point however where they are going to have to let the timeline move beyond the death of Zhiatan within the LS or it will impede them in their story writing as the game proceeds.

As for Anise, I think she was testing Logan. It fits her perfectly. She might seem nice but she is like Livia when it comes to being High Exemplar and is quite willing to push limits or make cold calculating decisions when it comes to Jennah’s safety. Considering Logan is the queen’s champion and frankly hasn’t exactly been the most emotionally at peace fellow it would make sense to me that she would test how together he actually was.

Edit: On as side note, I wonder how many High Exemplar’s there have been before Anise. Not that many I imagine since Livia was still around, what, 100 years prior? For that matter, why after centuries did Livia decide to quit the job?

To be fair to Rytlock, Logan is annoying when he’s with the Queen. I barely wanted to listen to him in the latest instance.

Garenthal.1480:

Rytlock is becoming irritating. I thought his angst had been eliminated.

He’s Charr, angst is in the DNA.

Ah, here we go. Logan&Rytlock discussion again.

Back to short story in OPs link. I must say, I’ve read Mary Sue fan-created stories that were several times better than that. I hope whoever wrote this is not responsible for GW2 story.

Although, come to think of it, it would explain quite a lot of things.

I’m more bothered by the inconsistency between the two events. In the short story, it was clear that Rox knew there was bad blood between Logan and Rytlock but, in the game, it seemed as if she was hearing about it for the first time. That’s a huge error and an amateur one at that.

@Lutinz Fun fact- Livia is never referred to as Master Exemplar, but simply as Exemplar. There is at least one of those in-game as well, and it seems to be the rank directly under Anise’s. This indicates that as of SoS, Livia was not the public leader of the Shining Blade.

And as to Anise, I do not buy her ‘personal touch’. Two reasons- first off, from a narrative point, it concluded too rapidly. A conundrum was presented and a solution was readily and neatly supplied, driving forward neither the over-arching plot nor the character arcs, with one possible exception, which people seem to have latched on to- that a conflict is being set up between Anise and Logan. But that doesn’t work either, because this oh-so-neat solution has one gaping hole in it, that was presented to the player’s face, that people are still seeming to miss: Rytlock’s quote was was word for word the same as in the abortive attempt to reconcile Destiny’s Edge during the level 30 personal story step. Now, I don’t know about you, but I somehow doubt that Anise stalked Logan to Lion’s Arch, disguised herself as a civilian, blended into the scarce crowd milling around the square, and then managed to recall perfectly part of the conversation x amount of time later (unclear, because ANet still refuses to touch scale, but nevertheless obviously a significant length of time, likely approaching one year). Nor, by the way, would such an action fit Anise in the least. Yes, she’s playful, but moreover she is wholly devoted to her queen, and her first priority is Jennah’s safety. Unduly distressing the queen’s greatest defender doesn’t quite fit the bill, wouldn’t you say? In fact, just the opposite, which brings me to my theory- Anise saw Logan deliberately attacked on a very personal level, knew Logan’s past difficulties with his guilt and crossed loyalties, and therefor opted to step in and defuse the situation as best she could, by deflecting the blame and thereby nipping in the bud Logan’s already obvious disquiet before his emotions interfered with his performance as Jennah’s shield just as a very real threat to said queen manifested. Quick, clever thinking, and done for the queen’s welfare- that fits Anise to a T.

Or it could be Anise believes Rytlock to be an enemy to the Queen. I mean the Watchknights are supposed to be disguised as threats to the Queen. Instead of being a known Flame Legion commander or even a Charr Renegade commander its Rytlock himself. Sure it could of been a simply prank or an attempt to help. But it seems to me that both her and the queen believe the Charr Tribune is a very serious threat to humanity, as the queen didn’t interfere with the match. As for the Rytlock disguised watchknight it could be possible that this mysterious Sylvari is a mesmer herself, or one of her minions is, and ‘hijacked’ the illusion. This could be how it word for word as one of them could be in the sparse crowd at the time.