[SPOILER]Tyria's Life in a Circle

[SPOILER]Tyria's Life in a Circle

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Posted by: Ernedar.2937

Ernedar.2937

Hi,
I have a theory and I would like your opinion on it.

Predispositions:

6 Elder Dragons:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Zhaitan
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mordremoth
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kralkatorrik
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Jormag
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Primordus
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deep_sea_dragon

Weapons/Champions:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Caladbolg – Excalibur

Story so Far

Theory:

I would like to present you some conclusions I might be wrong in, but there is a login in a story so far.

1) Krakkatorik is the next Elder dragon we will fight.

Why?
Acumulated energy in a the egg of Tarir at the end of the story line of HoT.

2) Locations of the Elder Dragon Fights:
Krakkatorik – Crystal Desert, Deldrimoir Mountains
Jormag – Far Shiverpeaks
Primodius – Ring of Fire – Scavengers Chasm
Deep sea dragon – Isles of Janthir

Why?
First two a bit obvious, The last two I think will be situated as i wrote because of the white, unused space on a map. Logical conclusion will be that Kryta dont have its dragon, because of that they will be threatened by Deep Sea one.

3) All Dwarfs are not dead and they will be as a next Race.

Why?
This is sort of a Wish but conclusion too. I like dwarfs. Ogden is still alive although he is part of a rock. Why? He is a multicultural. When Dwarfs sacrificed themselfs, that was only part of them. The rest of them are in a deldrimor Mountains, waiting to fight Krakkatorik – Dwarfs will be next playable race, as Revenant is a playable Class because of fighting Mordremoth.

4) We are running in circles.

Why?
The first one is a single dragon fight and it is a bit obvious. Dragon woke up. Make things to “destroy” the world, we fight him, kill him, SOMEBODY gives energy to another dragon.

The second one can be obvious too. But there is a system:

Zaithan
Awoken, killed. But there is how is the important thing. When you go throught the story, there is a moment when weapon against Zaithan is given to your friend. After that. Zaithan is lowered on powers with it, when cleasing of Orr is done. By this sword given by pale tree. My theory is, that when you fight an Elder Dragon, a weapon is given for fighting him. In Mordremoths demise it was an egg and YOU as a champion of an Elder Dragon to kill him and you do.

So. For Zaithan you got Mordremoth magic style weapon to kill him, for Modremoth you were given a crystal egg. So if you complete the circle: Krakkatorik might be defeated by sort of Jormags magic, Jormag by Primodius magic, Primodius by “Bubbles” magic and “Bubbles” will be killed by Zaithans magic. Circle will be complete.

5) We are not heroes but predecessors of the destruction.

Why?
By season 1 of a GW2 we are given a story that sylvari Scarlet charged/ breached leylines to woke up Mordremoth. At the end of story of the HoT we done the same. We are same as a Scarlet, but not by our intent meaning, but by friends advice. When you are killing your dying friend with the sword, you do same thing as Scarlet done. You are breaching the leyline. Effect is the same. Leylines breaching the jungle to Tarir and charging the Egg.

6) Elder Dragon is only brain nothing else.

Why?
There are no different magic types. Just one. In fact there is only one magic type as a fuel of the circle of Tyria world.

Destinys Edge lowered magic of a Krakkatorik and Zaithan awoke. etc.

But what are the elder dragons? Lets make a similarity in a computer world. You have programs named by Elder dragons and they are sleeping, because they have no energy to do for what are they programmed. Kill the world, revitalize it and let it grow again. At some point program Zaithan have enough energy to woke up. Program is destroyed, energy is flowing, somebody kick the trigger to make a way to another program…. So Elder Dragons are something like only a conscious, program or something, and when they get an energy, they make their appear in a way they are programmed.

Zaithan – Rose the Orr from the water
Mordremoth – Taking sylvari and rose a jungle.
Krakkatorik – Desert and Dwaren woken up.
Jormag – ?
Primodius – ?

Bubbles – Divinity Reach destroyed, battle of Janthir Isles (theory).

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

1) Krakkatorik is the next Elder dragon we will fight.

Why?
Acumulated energy in a the egg of Tarir at the end of the story line of HoT.

I fail to see the connection there. The two are on opposite sides of the map. How does the egg affect Kralkatorrik any more than the other three remaining Elder Dragons?

2) Locations of the Elder Dragon Fights:
Krakkatorik – Crystal Desert, Deldrimoir Mountains
Jormag – Far Shiverpeaks
Primodius – Ring of Fire – Scavengers Chasm
Deep sea dragon – Isles of Janthir

Why?
First two a bit obvious, The last two I think will be situated as i wrote because of the white, unused space on a map. Logical conclusion will be that Kryta dont have its dragon, because of that they will be threatened by Deep Sea one.

The notion that “every race has to have a dragon” is downright false. First off, Zhaitan was ’humanity’s dragon’ if such had to be true, but more importantly: there are five races, six dragons. There’s not going to be a perfect 1:1 ratio.

Secondly, we already know the very rough very approximated location of the DSD and that is to the south. Janthir is to the north.

And there’s no connection between Primordus and the Ring of Fire. Primordus is in the Depths and his thus far strongest place of influence has been throughout the Shiverpeaks (under which he awoke). More likely we’ll be getting some ‘underground layer’ maps when we face him.

3) All Dwarfs are not dead and they will be as a next Race.

Why?
This is sort of a Wish but conclusion too. I like dwarfs. Ogden is still alive although he is part of a rock. Why? He is a multicultural. When Dwarfs sacrificed themselfs, that was only part of them. The rest of them are in a deldrimor Mountains, waiting to fight Krakkatorik – Dwarfs will be next playable race, as Revenant is a playable Class because of fighting Mordremoth.

Dwarves will not be a playable race. ArenaNet had gone out of the way to stress that the reason why they removed them from the story (by turning them into stone) is because they’re an overused trope.

Turning to stone didn’t kill them, but Ogden is called the last dwarf. This is no doubt without reason.

Tengu, largos, and kodan all have a higher likelihood of being the next playable race if Anet ever adds one.

4) We are running in circles.

Why?
The first one is a single dragon fight and it is a bit obvious. Dragon woke up. Make things to “destroy” the world, we fight him, kill him, SOMEBODY gives energy to another dragon.

The second one can be obvious too. But there is a system:

Zaithan
Awoken, killed. But there is how is the important thing. When you go throught the story, there is a moment when weapon against Zaithan is given to your friend. After that. Zaithan is lowered on powers with it, when cleasing of Orr is done. By this sword given by pale tree. My theory is, that when you fight an Elder Dragon, a weapon is given for fighting him. In Mordremoths demise it was an egg and YOU as a champion of an Elder Dragon to kill him and you do.

So. For Zaithan you got Mordremoth magic style weapon to kill him, for Modremoth you were given a crystal egg. So if you complete the circle: Krakkatorik might be defeated by sort of Jormags magic, Jormag by Primodius magic, Primodius by “Bubbles” magic and “Bubbles” will be killed by Zaithans magic. Circle will be complete.

Three issues:

First, Caladbolg wasn’t used against Zhaitan, but Zhaitan’s corruption. What was used to kill Zhaitan was Gorr’s research augmented by the laser tested in Sparkfly as well as Kudu and Snaff’s research on dragon energies, which accumilated in a series of weapons (a laser cannon, magic-fied grappling hooks, and specialized cannons) designed for the sole purpose of poisoning Zhaitan’s magic. Done after we starved him for weeks.

Second, the egg wasn’t used against Mordremoth. Or anything related to Mordremoth.

Third, Kralkatorrik’s weakness has actually been

5) We are not heroes but predecessors of the destruction.

Why?
By season 1 of a GW2 we are given a story that sylvari Scarlet charged/ breached leylines to woke up Mordremoth. At the end of story of the HoT we done the same. We are same as a Scarlet, but not by our intent meaning, but by friends advice. When you are killing your dying friend with the sword, you do same thing as Scarlet done. You are breaching the leyline. Effect is the same. Leylines breaching the jungle to Tarir and charging the Egg.

Not quite.

What Scarlet did was redirect flow of multiple ley lines into a singular direction. She pushed all magic flow that would normally be criss-crossing and changed it to a single-flow traffic. That flow directed to Mordremoth.

When we killed Mordremoth, his magic was released from his body returning to the ley lines, traveling upon them in all directions. Immediately, we have four major directions – one of which was to the egg where it stopped due to being absorbed – but the others would have split off at every ley line hub going in potentially hundreds of directions – unless the magic was absorbed before such can happen like with the egg (The Grove, being in the direction of one such ley line, might have done such). Unlike with Scarlet, the ley lines were not blocked and they went in many directions rather than one.

6) Elder Dragon is only brain nothing else.

Why?
There are no different magic types. Just one. In fact there is only one magic type as a fuel of the circle of Tyria world.

Destinys Edge lowered magic of a Krakkatorik and Zaithan awoke. etc.

Uhm… Zhaitan was awake 100 years before Kralkatorrik woke.

Order of awakening: Primordus → Jormag → Zhaitan → Kralkatorrik → Mordremoth. The DSD is also awake, but we don’t know when it woke. Hints imply between Primordus and Jormag however. Either way, Mordremoth was the last Elder Dragon to wake up.

Also, we know there are at least four types of magic. In GW1 they were called schools of magic. In GW2, they’re referred to as energy types, though we only have the names of three: Light, Dark, and Chaos energy. We also know of draconic energy (no, it is not the same as chaos energy) and divine magic (such as divine fire).

But what are the elder dragons? Lets make a similarity in a computer world. You have programs named by Elder dragons and they are sleeping, because they have no energy to do for what are they programmed. Kill the world, revitalize it and let it grow again. At some point program Zaithan have enough energy to woke up. Program is destroyed, energy is flowing, somebody kick the trigger to make a way to another program…. So Elder Dragons are something like only a conscious, program or something, and when they get an energy, they make their appear in a way they are programmed.

Comparison doesn’t quite work.

You see, the Elder Dragons go to sleep when there’s no more magic in the world to consume. As they sleep, the magic leaves their body in a non-hostile form (doesn’t corrupt) and the magic in the world refills. When the magic levels are high, the Elder Dragons wake up and try to dominate the world while consuming magic once more.

Zaithan – Rose the Orr from the water
Mordremoth – Taking sylvari and rose a jungle.
Krakkatorik – Desert and Dwaren woken up.
Jormag – ?
Primodius – ?

Bubbles – Divinity Reach destroyed, battle of Janthir Isles (theory).

Dwarves don’t need to be ‘woken up’ because they’ve always been active fighting Primordus. Plus we’ve been told they’re dead.

For the DSD to destroy Divinity’s Reach, it has to either swim around the entire continent to go from south of Tyria to north of Tyria, or march its way through Rata Sum, the Grove, Lion’s Arch, and half of Tyria. That’s not gonna happen.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Fenom.9457

Fenom.9457

For the DSD to destroy Divinity’s Reach, it has to either swim around the entire continent to go from south of Tyria to north of Tyria, or march its way through Rata Sum, the Grove, Lion’s Arch, and half of Tyria. That’s not gonna happen.
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well.. there is a monster hydra thing attacking LA in concept.. but I think if it won there, that’d be big enough for anet, destroying parts of Kessex, Queensdale, and DR would be a bit much

Want to read about a nice mini expansion to make Mordremoth and Zhaitan better?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mini-Expansion-Vengeance/first#post6473305