[SPOILERS]Pact future, HoT ending[SPOILERS]
I second that- being the top dog means paperwork and meetings. Players are going to want to be out there kicking tail and taking names. It’s going to be crazy for a while, that’s for sure. Now that the Pact has lost its top leader it’ll be unstable unless a successor is chosen quickly, especially in light with all the racism the Sylvari are getting. Heck, things could even get worse and the fragile alliance could fall apart. It hasn’t been that long since it was initially formed. Many of the Pact members aren’t going to be in the best frame of mind either, you know, from losing people they care about. Really wish they didn’t axe him so soon. It doesn’t exactly say volumes about the strength of the Pact, having its leader torn out from it in such a short time since formation. (I am admittedly biased though.)
And just think. There’s still at least four dragons left. It only gets harder from here. Here’s to hoping the Pact survives the fire.
I am totally Sylvari trash.
Who needs paperwork that is for office dudes. The pact needs a leader on the field of battle and there is no better one then the commander. Proof well the second he came in Maguma he gave the pact a fighting chance.
Hell the commander is the reason they defeated Zaitan also. He did most of the work there also and its not fair to chose a less successful leader in leading the pact.
Who needs paperwork that is for office dudes.
Objectively speaking, this paperwork contains information that can be vital to the effort. Yes, you’re on the field, kicking butt and taking names, but who’s telling you where to go and what to hit? The guys with the paperwork. Knowledge is power in a warzone. Missing or false information can kill people, as is seen with Trahearne’s Maguuma air raid when he was not aware of Mordremoth’s power over the Sylvari. Had he known this, the effort probably wouldn’t have gone south quite so fast. Also, those with the information can manipulate the recipients, so it’s probably better to have someone trustworthy to deal with it if you’re not going to do it yourself.
The pact needs a leader on the field of battle and there is no better one then the commander. Proof well the second he came in Maguma he gave the pact a fighting chance.
Yes, the Pact Commander is quite competent on the field. That’s where the Commander should stay. Commander did a good job in reining the situation in somewhat. There is, as you said, a chance now, however, lacking intel is a problem- and you now have to gather as much as you can by yourself, which is slowing down your original aim- rescuing your comrades. Time is critical in this kind of situation- the longer you take, the worse your odds become. Take too long, people die captive and get turned, and all the while Dragon is getting stronger. Commander did in fact raise morale and stabilize the situation, however there is a good chance that unless a source of information is tapped, they’ll only be reacting, which won’t be helpful in the long run. So Commander will still have to seek out information, which will take away from the time spent on the field with the rest of the forces. (Because in Maguuma if you want any sort of information, you’re going to have to beat things up anyways.)
Hell the commander is the reason they defeated Zaitan also. He did most of the work there also and its not fair to chose a less successful leader in leading the pact.
Most of the field work was done by the Commander. Intel and navigation was mostly done by Trahearne, who spent years researching this putrid, hostile land you need to pass through to hit all the requisite weak points that he informs you about. (Credit where it’s due if we’re going to do that.) I don’t know about other people but I honestly had no idea what the function of the Eyes or Mouths of Zhaitan were actually for. I also had no clue up til that point that the landmasses even had “hearts”, which are apparently centers of magical energy. So again, Commander did their share, the Marshal did his. I still consider that victory to be a team effort.
Buuuut since Trahearne’s dead there’s probably going to have to be another shuffle in upper management, since if you’re sorting through the data, you probably won’t be fighting. If you’re fighting, you probably won’t be dealing with the data quite as much, so you might need someone for that. Also keep in mind that if you die, things go to heck really fast. After seeing the kind of “plot armor” that the characters I thought were going to be hanging around to give us a hand with Behemoths #3-6+ have got (I mean look, those characters are dead! Not happy!), if you go leader, you’re not only going to be a priority target, but there’s no guarantee you’ll escape the chopping block! And that’s not even considering the fact that the three member factions tend to bicker a lot. We as the Commander, belong to one of those. We’re not neutral. I don’t even want to think about the drama and political eggshells the Commander will have to be walking on dealing with that.
tl:dr: Still going to need a buddy up top to help keep things under control. It’s going to be kind of a mess otherwise, especially with a group of this size.
PS: Dear goodness, I hope the next dragon attempt isn’t going to be this much of a disaster.
I am totally Sylvari trash.
Maybe they will disband the Pact and work on making the Orders more relevant again. They could use the masteries system for example to make exclusive perks for being in an order .
Okay its true that the commander is part of one of the factions but the 3 sub commanders actually and surprise reached a compromise they asked the soldiers who the leader should be. Go figure they found the solution.
Now the one who will deal with intel does not have to be above the commander in rank in the pact. Think of all those warrior leaders they had people under them who dealt with intelligence and well paperwork in general. Also the commander does not have to deal with all the intelligence as the pact proved it can managed quite well without directions from the overall leader.
As I’ve said in another thread not to long ago about the same topic:
I think they’re doing away with the Pact, but only as ‘the major force’. Instead, I think they’re going to be pushing the Guild Initiative as ‘the major force’ against the Elder Dragons – as it is the guild Destiny’s Edge (plus its new members – the biconics) who have proven the most effective against dragon minions, and they established a foothold of Guild Initiative with the guild halls and with Dougal Keane – a well enjoyed character – leading it.
With Ember turning to the Guild Initiative too, I suspect that our old Ghosts of Ascalon krewe will be returning in force in the future storylines, backing Destiny’s Edge and supporting other ‘NPC guilds’ in the storyline to come, with the Pact falling back as a ‘defensive and clean-up united coordination of the three Orders against the Elder Dragons’ given their losses at both Zhaitan and Mordremoth showing that their method isn’t the best after all.
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Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
If the endgame of Guild Wars 2 is to ultimately destroy all Elder Dragons…I don’t see how the Pact could survive. The Pact surely lost a fair number of members during their assault on Orr. Then the Pact was devastated during their fight against Mordremoth. Add in that the surviving Sylvari members might never be trusted again…I just don’t think the Pact will ever be able to replenish its ranks enough to take on any more Elder Dragons. These dragons are killing way too many people and fighting them with armies just isn’t going to work anymore.
Who needs paperwork that is for office dudes. The pact needs a leader on the field of battle and there is no better one then the commander. Proof well the second he came in Maguma he gave the pact a fighting chance.
Hell the commander is the reason they defeated Zaitan also. He did most of the work there also and its not fair to chose a less successful leader in leading the pact.
Logistics is a real thing. The commander could never have done what they did without the Pact or Trahearne handling that.
Also, the commander did not do “most of the work”. We did high value missions and important tasks, but more as the tip of the spear. Without the Pact (who do a lot of stuff off-screen while we are in missions), we wouldn’t have gotten as far.
Maybe they will disband the Pact and work on making the Orders more relevant again. They could use the masteries system for example to make exclusive perks for being in an order .
Then you have characters in all three orders and “exclusives” become irrelevant.
If the endgame of Guild Wars 2 is to ultimately destroy all Elder Dragons…I don’t see how the Pact could survive. The Pact surely lost a fair number of members during their assault on Orr. Then the Pact was devastated during their fight against Mordremoth. Add in that the surviving Sylvari members might never be trusted again…I just don’t think the Pact will ever be able to replenish its ranks enough to take on any more Elder Dragons. These dragons are killing way too many people and fighting them with armies just isn’t going to work anymore.
You forget that a few years actually pass between Zhaitan’s death and Mordremoth’s campaign. During the middle period the Pact was working in Orr, planning their next campaign (against Kralk), and building up forces. Hence why over Orr there was only the Glory of Tyria as a ‘dreadnaught/battleship’ airship, but in the jungle we see a LOT.
The pact’s main damage is the destruction of the Air fleet. The ground forces, while taking a hit, are still decently intact. One strength of the Pact is it’s ability to make field fortifications, and that saved a lot of people.
Sylvari may not be trusted right now, but without the influence of Mordremoth, and no more sylvari turning, that trust can and will be regained. Without those armies to keep the dragon minions at bay/busy while the vanguard/tip of the spear/commando groups strike high value targets and secure important locations, we’d be overwhelmed.
Imagine if our little merry crew (Hero, destiny’s edge, and the ‘biconics’) tried taking on Mordremoth without the Pact in play. It simply wouldn’t work. Hell, the final instance outright states such. “He’s busy with the battle outside, so we are sneaking in.”
There is a place for armies, and a place for commandos. Fighting the dragons require both.
As I’ve said in another thread not to long ago about the same topic:
I think they’re doing away with the Pact, but only as ‘the major force’. Instead, I think they’re going to be pushing the Guild Initiative as ‘the major force’ against the Elder Dragons – as it is the guild Destiny’s Edge (plus its new members – the biconics) who have proven the most effective against dragon minions, and they established a foothold of Guild Initiative with the guild halls and with Dougal Keane – a well enjoyed character – leading it.
With Ember turning to the Guild Initiative too, I suspect that our old Ghosts of Ascalon krewe will be returning in force in the future storylines, backing Destiny’s Edge and supporting other ‘NPC guilds’ in the storyline to come, with the Pact falling back as a ‘defensive and clean-up united coordination of the three Orders against the Elder Dragons’ given their losses at both Zhaitan and Mordremoth showing that their method isn’t the best after all.
I can agree with the Pact backing off for a while, not disbanded but definitely healing it’s hurt.
They simply can’t use the same tactics against every dragon, but I think that simply relying on guilds to handle the offensive won’t work, simply because the fact we can’t carry around THAT much firepower, or hold land while pushing deeper as effectively as the Pact could secure camps.
It was established Pact leader could not come from the orders. Who could lead the future pact is big question mark. Meanwhile Pale Tree help the PC organized the world leader summit. But now everyone now knows Pale Tree lies about her own nature for a long time. Trust and mistrust among the orders and nations probably play a big role in the story development.
It was established Pact leader could not come from the orders. Who could lead the future pact is big question mark. Meanwhile Pale Tree help the PC organized the world leader summit. But now everyone now knows Pale Tree lies about her own nature for a long time. Trust and mistrust among the orders and nations probably play a big role in the story development.
A: It was setup that way to avoid favoritism. Now with the Pact being active for several years, I’d see any of the leadership within it being allowed to take the spot.
B: “Yes, Pale Tree, you should’ve told us all you were a dragon minion this entire time! HOW DARE YOU HIDE THAT.”
^ No. Besides the fact that ALL of the world leaders saw the Pale tree viciously attacked by the Mordrem, I don’t even see that being an issue.
It was established Pact leader could not come from the orders. Who could lead the future pact is big question mark. Meanwhile Pale Tree help the PC organized the world leader summit. But now everyone now knows Pale Tree lies about her own nature for a long time. Trust and mistrust among the orders and nations probably play a big role in the story development.
That’s a good point about the pact leader not coming from orders. That would eliminate us, if that rule is upheld. Laranthir looks like a good choice, but I can’t imagine it being offered to him because he is sylvari. Maybe a surviving member of Destiny’s Edge?
It was established Pact leader could not come from the orders. Who could lead the future pact is big question mark. Meanwhile Pale Tree help the PC organized the world leader summit. But now everyone now knows Pale Tree lies about her own nature for a long time. Trust and mistrust among the orders and nations probably play a big role in the story development.
That’s a good point about the pact leader not coming from orders. That would eliminate us, if that rule is upheld. Laranthir looks like a good choice, but I can’t imagine it being offered to him because he is sylvari. Maybe a surviving member of Destiny’s Edge?
Again, that was during the founding of it when they were trying to find a leader at that very moment.
Laranthir is/was a high ranking vigil officer. Destiny’s Edge the only ones suitable would be Logan or Rytlock, neither of which I see taking it.
I think who ever will be the leader, they’d have to have been present in Maguuma, I doubt the pact would choose to follow anyone, no matter how high ranked, if they did nothing during the events of HoT. So that kind of narrows down our choices I’d imagine, no sylvari for now just because of potential dissidence. I do think some or maybe all of Destiny’s Edge have a good chance, why have 1 leader if we can have a council?
Beyond that, I can’t really think of anyone else in particular, none have shown exemplary leadership skills during these events that I’ve noticed.
I think who ever will be the leader, they’d have to have been present in Maguuma, I doubt the pact would choose to follow anyone, no matter how high ranked, if they did nothing during the events of HoT. So that kind of narrows down our choices I’d imagine, no sylvari for now just because of potential dissidence. I do think some or maybe all of Destiny’s Edge have a good chance, why have 1 leader if we can have a council?
Beyond that, I can’t really think of anyone else in particular, none have shown exemplary leadership skills during these events that I’ve noticed.
I think Sylvari would still be able to be considered.
A: Those that stood by the Pact till the end did so around others. Laranthir and others would be known allies. There is that testing device in the Pact Encampment in Verdant Brink as well. Those that violently went after Sylvari were routed and driven away.
B: Everybody in the Pact Forces at the jungle would know Mordremoth is dead. Why would Sylvari turning to him be an issue after they kill the body and the commander emerges after killing the brain?
That’s a good point about the pact leader not coming from orders. That would eliminate us, if that rule is upheld. Laranthir looks like a good choice, but I can’t imagine it being offered to him because he is sylvari. Maybe a surviving member of Destiny’s Edge?
Laranthir is second-in-command of the Vigil.
He is one of the folks who definitely cannot become leader of the Pact, because once Almorra dies (if/when), Laranthir will be replacing her.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
It is the commander it will always be the commander he is the only one the troops will trust he is the most famous of them and to be more specific compared to the other pact leaders he did most of the work. There will be no pact without the commander in the first place.
In my point of view, the Marshal must have thought that he wouldn’t survive. So he must have chosen a successor. After all, it looked like he believed that the Pact would be in good hands if he died.
It is the commander it will always be the commander he is the only one the troops will trust he is the most famous of them and to be more specific compared to the other pact leaders he did most of the work. There will be no pact without the commander in the first place.
You are the tip of the spear, NOT THE BLADE.
You did some high value work, yes. But who organized the army while you were chasing the egg? Laranthir, the three officers at the central pact encampment, and others.
We did not do “most of the work”. We did some work, but others maintained the Pact forces while we were off chasing Destiny’s Edge and the Egg (both important objectives, and I don’t deny that at all). While there is little lines about the commander in camps, the ones I note remember directly…
(This one I heard about): Something about only being allowed to leave camp for extended periods of time if with the commander.
Charr (this one I’ve heard personally): “I wish the commander would stick around more…”
As in Personal story, and GW1, we may have done some of the most important direct actions (killing targets, opening camp locations, etc), OTHERS held the ground we took. Others distracted the armies/big bad while we did our stuff. Saying/implying that we basically did everything and all other Pact leadership sat on their kitten the entire time doing nothing is simply not true in any way.
In my point of view, the Marshal must have thought that he wouldn’t survive. So he must have chosen a successor. After all, it looked like he believed that the Pact would be in good hands if he died.
Before the fleet launched? I doubt he expected to die. Going by standard military systems (as far as I know), the player character would be in command, and either they’d be promoted to Marshall, or they would hold the rank until a new one is officially appointed.
We are, after all, officially the second in command of the Pact.
They could not have done any of that if the commander did not saved them as he did the priory forces in the next map also if he did not opened diplomacy with the exalted. We did not only went for the egg and destiny edge we saved them and gave them allies so they can help us. The point is not of the other commanders did as much as the commander.
What I meant to say is that he thought he would die at some point before killing all of the Elder Dragons. I mean, several others would think the same thing.
Yes, the Pact Commander is quite competent on the field. That’s where the Commander should stay.
Clearly you haven’t heard of the Peter Principle :P
They could not have done any of that if the commander did not saved them as he did the priory forces in the next map also if he did not opened diplomacy with the exalted. We did not only went for the egg and destiny edge we saved them and gave them allies so they can help us. The point is not of the other commanders did as much as the commander.
The commander didn’t open diplomacy with the exalted. Literally we dropped the egg off in the city, did the trials, then left. Way I remember it going, we not once negotiated with them for help. This is also assuming a faction who literally are so dedicated to Glint and stopping the dragons that they turned themselves into purely magical creatures, would go “Nah, not helping you people!”
In comparison, we’ve helped a small portion of the pact with the rescues. Going purely by story missions, that is… The pale reaver squad (first mission, laranthir’s option), the Priory members around the one pylon (Where we first meet the exalted), then the one pact survivor group in tangled depths. Then the rest of Destiny’s edge.
Still, you are DOWNPLAYING the efforts of the Pact insanely. If that force hadn’t marched on Mordremoths body, cutting through the mordrem army, and killed his physical(and original) body, distracting him from us sneaking into his head… we wouldn’t have succeeded.
Okay let me remind you that the exalted became active again after the commander brought the egg. Do not forget that. The frog also became allies because of the commander do not forget that also. After all he is the one who gained their trust.
And they only did that because the commander ordered them to do it. Why is it so hard to believe that he is the most active and successful of all the other commanders?
I think the rules have probably changed since the founding of the Pact and the death of Mordremoth.
First, the requirement for the Pact Marshall to be independent of any of the three orders because at the bottom line, the three orders didn’t trust one another. They formed the Pact despite their reservations because the desire to get all the resources together to create a force that could fight Zhaitan was greater than that distrust, but nevertheless, it’s quite clear earlier in the personal story that the orders don’t trust each other and the leaders of the orders don’t like one another personally. The celebration scene in Victory or Death, though, shows them all mingling amicably, including the leaders (and Riel being with the other leaders rather than a representative Preceptor hints that they might even be aware that she’s the MoW). So it’s possible that the ‘Marshall must be independent’ requirement would be waived for a suitable individual when it comes to Trahearne’s successor.
Second, keep in mind that the PC was a relative unknown outside their race and order at the time of the founding – other orders would have known the PC was a good agent but not much beyond that. For non-sylvari, Trahearne is actually putting a lot of trust into making us his second-in-command when we’d basically only just met. Now, the PC has played a major role in defeating two dragons and was the de facto leader of the Pact throughout Heart of Thorns. The orders may well decide to formally confirm the leader who’s demonstrated results rather than put someone new into the position.
Third, while it’s true that a large military operation needs an administrator as well as a powerful fighter (and the PC isn’t suitable for that role) it probably isn’t necessary for the Marshall to be the administrator. It’d probably work just as well having the administrator as second-in-command being delegated to the day-to-day tasks while the PC is the formal leader. Such an arrangement would probably benefit from a clear delegation (when I’m not around personally, {insert NPC here} is in charge) but a resilient command structure should be able to handle the overall leader being absent at times. In fact, the Pact is probably at a point where it would be a benefit to have a more mobile overall leader – have leaders in various theatres (Orr, the jungle, Frostgorge Sound, etc) with the PC having the freedom and authority to jump in and take charge wherever they’re most needed.
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Okay let me remind you that the exalted became active again after the commander brought the egg. Do not forget that. The frog also became allies because of the commander do not forget that also. After all he is the one who gained their trust.
And they only did that because the commander ordered them to do it. Why is it so hard to believe that he is the most active and successful of all the other commanders?
A: The Exalted were active BEFORE we arrived. How else do you example running into the one wanderer outside of Tahir, and entering the city to be greeted by a GATHERING of Exalted, including their leader. They may not have been awake long, but they were definitely awake and active before we even reached the city walls.
B: The Itzel would’ve become allies either way, as we all were fighting the Mordrem and they were the friendly tribe (same with the Nuhoch). The real thing the commander secured was having their scouts help track down Braham and Rytlock, and destiny’s edge. THAT was the agreement that was struck.
C: Um, what? I not once commanded Laranthir or the Pact forces to move into dragons stand. Hell, after the mission where Eir died, I really didn’t command ANYBODY of the Pact in a meaningful manner. Mostly “Hey, stick here until it’s safe to move.” or “We’ll leave some of our group here to safeguard you while I track down your commanding officer and the thing killing your group.”
I’m not arguing that the player character isn’t effective or successful. I’m arguing against this viewpoint that the player character basically was the sole driving force of the Pact and is responsible for EVERY SINGLE POSITIVE THING that came about in the HoT ‘campaign’ thus far. This viewpoint which, from my perspective, comes across as if the Pact basically DID NOTHING at all, and we the player character did everything.
What are you talking about do you think the pact attacked mordremoth’s mouth for no reason.
And yes the exalted actually said its time to resume our active role or something like that after the hero brought the egg. And yes that exalted was only searching there because he searched for the egg if not for that you will not see any of the outside of their city and other secluded places. How do you know they would have allied with the pact either way?
You know that there is another frog tribe also attacked by mordremoth’s forces that did not join that pact and its hostile in the same map? Broke that logic.
What are you talking about do you think the pact attacked mordremoth’s mouth for no reason.
And yes the exalted actually said its time to resume our active role or something like that after the hero brought the egg. And yes that exalted was only searching there because he searched for the egg if not for that you will not see any of the outside of their city and other secluded places. How do you know they would have allied with the pact either way?
You know that there is another frog tribe also attacked by mordremoth’s forces that did not join that pact and its hostile in the same map? Broke that logic.
They attacked the Mouth of Mordremoth, but in no way did we order that. Laranthir took the surviving, unhurt pale reavers deeper into the jungle at the end of his event chain, but we don’t actually do anything further with him personally, or the other Pact units. Since the entire time we spend in dragons stand, story-wise, is those final two missions about rescueing Logan and Zojja, and taking out Mordremoth’s mind.
Yes, the Exalted was out and about searching for something, but he didn’t know it was the egg until we told him. At the same time, WE didn’t take the egg there. Caithe did. We finished the journey that she started. Even without the egg, the Exalted were waking up and starting to fight the jungle dragon, which was their life task (as well as glint’s legacy). Are you seriously saying if it wasn’t for the commander taking the egg to the city, the exalted would have sat there and gone “Nah, we are going to sit right here in our city, and not lift a finger to help you people fighting the dragon!”?
Same thing with the Itzel. Considering the commander didn’t even TALK about an alliance, just getting information from their scouts. You think the pact and itzel wouldn’t work together against the Mordrem if that event didn’t happen?
Said Hylek tribe is also EXPLICITLY AND CLEARLY explained that they were hostile to ALL OUTSIDE GROUPS because of the Mordrem attack, where the Itzel and Nuhoch tribes were not. The two tribes recognized Pact members as not being Mordrem. The other tribe simply labeled everybody that was not a member of their tribe as a hostile enemy to be eliminated.
Again, the commander did a lot, but they aren’t the sole reason for everything positive (in universe) from the HoT story. We certainly NEVER formed an alliance with the Exalted, nor did we wake them up. We did not form an alliance with the Nuhoch or Itzel tribes, but merely formed a bargain to have their scouts help us. Them allying with the Pact came afterward. We had ZERO part in the events of Dragon’s Stand outside of the story instance (going from a Pact commander player character viewpoint)., as those events happen at the same time/shortly after as we were rescuing Logan, Zojja, and trying to get to Trahearne.
If you talk to the charr chopper pilot in that little lobby instance before the final mission, he mentions the Pact’s push forward clearing kitten for him to fly his craft there. Then we do the final instance and the Pact is engaged with the mouth as we go deeper into the tree.
Yes, the Exalted was out and about searching for something, but he didn’t know it was the egg until we told him. At the same time, WE didn’t take the egg there. Caithe did. We finished the journey that she started. Even without the egg, the Exalted were waking up and starting to fight the jungle dragon, which was their life task (as well as glint’s legacy). Are you seriously saying if it wasn’t for the commander taking the egg to the city, the exalted would have sat there and gone “Nah, we are going to sit right here in our city, and not lift a finger to help you people fighting the dragon!”?
Yes the freaking dragon was up for a year or so until the pact got there what where they doing they where hiding in their city. They only became active after glints egg got to the specific place. Also do you know why the giant frogs joined us is because we saved one of their own and really saved their village. What frog people will join the pact if there is no frog people to join the pact. They would not have joined either way because they would not exist to join or be grateful enough to join.
They could either have become hostile as the other frog group or dead.
Why do you think the event at Dragon’s Stand happened? They attacked the mouth for no reason?
Yes the freaking dragon was up for a year or so until the pact got there what where they doing they where hiding in their city. They only became active after glints egg got to the specific place.
They weren’t hiding. They were hibernating. There is a difference.
And they would have become active without the Commander – because they awoke when Caithe arrived, not when the Commander arrived. And they began fighting mordrem the moment they woke.
You are right about the Itzel and Nuhoch, adormtil, but you’re wrong about the rest. The Commander didn’t really lead the Pact – he just helped them pick up the pieces, and helped the wounded leave. And even that is only if you count the open world events as the Commander acting and not hundreds of random adventurers acting.
Why do you think the event at Dragon’s Stand happened? They attacked the mouth for no reason?
They didn’t attack the Mouth of Mordremoth because the Commander ordered it. They did it because that was the task they went into the jungle to do. The hylek joined in because it would save their home and their people. The Exalted joined in because it was their duty they signed up for.
The Commander didn’t really unite them. The Commander just gave everyone the chance to unite themselves with their already-shared goals (reasons differing).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
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Well the exalted awoke after Glint died they said that so what did they do for so many years?
Mordremoth awoke 1 year ago what did they do against him? They did not even activate the pillars.
Are you telling me that the mouth of mordremoth was not attacked to allow the hero to find a certain person.You know as a distraction?
Yes the freaking dragon was up for a year or so until the pact got there what where they doing they where hiding in their city. They only became active after glints egg got to the specific place. Also do you know why the giant frogs joined us is because we saved one of their own and really saved their village. What frog people will join the pact if there is no frog people to join the pact. They would not have joined either way because they would not exist to join or be grateful enough to join.
They could either have become hostile as the other frog group or dead.
Why do you think the event at Dragon’s Stand happened? They attacked the mouth for no reason?
Depends when battle of LA happened. If it happened toward the end of the year, then he may not have been awake for a full year. Either way, he’s wasn’t up long.
As explained, they were in hibernation, and awoke recently. Whether from Caithe bringing the egg close or the resurgence of dragon minions I don’t know. But the commander/offical player character did NOTHING in regards to waking them up.
You seem to be misreading what I’m saying. The commander certainly helped the Itzel and Nuhoch Hylek tribes become interested in joining forces, but we went to their village with the purpose of learning what their scouts new about the Mordrem movement of prisoners, not a military ally.
Either way, the Itzel and Nuhoch are friendly tribes. The other tribe went hostile (it’s explicitly stated). If the Itzel or Nuhoch would have gone hostile, they would’ve killed us on sight regardless. They did not. Like the sun worshiping Zintl tribe (I think that’s the name. Hylek from the silverwastes/drytop and further east) who are hostile by nature, the other tribe may have been a more violent group in general, and the Mordrem simply forced that to new levels.
Um, if you look at my posts, I’ve BEEN saying that the other Pact leadership elements who survived have been doing a lot of work while we chased high value prisoners and the Egg (Rata Novus I consider a side distraction to the main goals, done because we had no solid lead just yet). Unlike some people who think the commander did everything and not a single soul outside our merry little group did anything.
Laranthir explicitly takes the Pale reavers deeper into the jungle as the Charr (skybreaker I think?) evacuated the wounded (End of Pale Reaver rally chain).
We know that SCAR team which crashed in the Tangled Depths was already in the area. Order of Whispers in tangled depths were moving toward dragons stand. Reasonably once the vigil and priory forces were consolidated and more secure, they sent their forces deeper into the jungle as well. (Verdant brink I consider officially staying and improving from tier 4 day and night completion, and the camps all being reset simply the map/time lock. So after that day/night, Verdant Brink is a lot more secure).
Well the exalted awoke after Glint died they said that so what did they do for so many years?
Mordremoth awoke 1 year ago what did they do against him? They did not even activate the pillars.
Are you telling me that the mouth of mordremoth was not attacked to allow the hero to find a certain person.You know as a distraction?
The Mouth of Mordremoth was attacked, but not on the commanders order. Is this such a hard concept to grasp? We managed to be sneaking in right as the battle was going on outside, and the Pact forces there may have known that was our objective (and pushed forward to help with it, by tying up the Mordrem forces), but the PLAYER CHARACTER, personally, did not order it.
The exalted became active when the Master of Peace started taking the egg toward the city, according to the wiki. So neither Caithe OR the commander caused it.
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Well the exalted awoke after Glint died they said that so what did they do for so many years?
Mordremoth awoke 1 year ago what did they do against him? They did not even activate the pillars.
Are you telling me that the mouth of mordremoth was not attacked to allow the hero to find a certain person.You know as a distraction?
They didn’t wake immediately after she died. Waking up 7 years after Glint died is still waking after Glint died.
The blog post makes it clear that Mordremoth woke before the Exalted did:
“Unfortunately, Scarlet Briar had already awakened Mordremoth, and the Jungle Dragon’s colonization of Maguuma was well underway. The Exalted discovered the jungle was even more dangerous than they remembered and that allies they had made among Maguuma’s residents were missing, perhaps gone forever. Worst of all, they found an implacable and voracious horde of dragon minions eager to seize as much magic as they could for their master.”
However, they also awoke before the Pact Fleet was decimated:
“The Exalted watched with sadness and horror as Mordremoth destroyed the Pact fleet, and some even wondered if their august duty was doomed to fail just as it was truly getting started.”
We don’t have an exact date for when they woke up, but we know it was after the climax of Season 1 and before the climax of Season 2.
Given that the Zephyrites’ duty known only to the four Masters was to deliver the egg when the Exalted awoke, this means that they likely awoke between the time of S1 and S2, when the Zephyrites returned to Tyria to resupply before heading west.
They didn’t activate the pillars because they couldn’t! The activation of the pillars was triggered by the egg. Replay Prized Possessions – NPCs state the ruins began to glow when Caithe with the egg passed by, and at the end you take the egg into the center of the northwatch outpost which activates it completely.
Why they had it set up that way is anyone’s guess, however.
And yes, I’m telling you the Mouth wasn’t attacked to allow the Commander to find Destiny’s Edge. The Mouth was attacked because the Mouth IS Mordremoth’s physical body. It was the goal of the entire campaign.
The Commander went on his own, without any communication with Laranthir or other Pact leaders to find Destiny’s Edge. It simply led the Commander to the same location the Pact was heading: Mordremoth. And this is not surprising. But the one and only indication of some grand battle taking place is during the final story step, in which we’ve been in the heart of enemy territory before the Mouth of Mordremoth battle takes place – Mouth of Mordremoth battle happens at the same time as Hearts and Minds, leaving Bitter Harvest story step to be happening before the assault of Dragon’s Stand.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
So in the end the commander was still responsible for the alliance between the exalted and the pact as the exalted needed the pact for them to activate the pillars and they could not activate them without the egg there.
It may not have been his objective for all those allies to be allied to the pact but they are because of him. The only ones who are not are the ogres.
1 because he saved the tribe what alliance is if there is no tribe and 2 because he brought the egg to the center for the exalted.
You know why I downplay them because they could have done nothing if they where dead and without allies. So what if they destroyed the mouth of mordremoth guess what that thing regenerates but you know what did not his mind. The only really useful thing they did was distracting Mordremoth that is all they distracted.
How could any of them be the next pact leader when they used untold resources and countless men for a distraction and all that because the commander gave them a fighting chance without even being his main objective to do that.
Peter Principle a candidate for a position is based on the candidate’s performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role so taking that principle in account he should be the leader of the Pact.
That is how things are done and should be done here also and there is no other character that is a better candidate. Meritocracy with its flaws.
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So in the end the commander was still responsible for the alliance between the exalted and the pact as the exalted needed the pact for them to activate the pillars and they could not activate them without the egg there.
It may not have been his objective for all those allies to be allied to the pact but they are because of him. The only ones who are not are the ogres.
1 because he saved the tribe what alliance is if there is no tribe and 2 because he brought the egg to the center for the exalted.
Ogres were part of the Pact.
Eh, the commander was responsible for finishing the journey of the egg. There was still many things across the board that other officers in the Pact did, and should be acknowledged.
They didn’t activate the pillars because they couldn’t! The activation of the pillars was triggered by the egg. Replay Prized Possessions – NPCs state the ruins began to glow when Caithe with the egg passed by, and at the end you take the egg into the center of the northwatch outpost which activates it completely.
Why they had it set up that way is anyone’s guess, however.
Egg was probably a power source of sorts. But somehow I don’t see Glint’s plan being so pedestrian as to simply have one of her eggs used as a power supply to power a shiny city and some magic towers.
The Commander went on his own, without any communication with Laranthir or other Pact leaders to find Destiny’s Edge. It simply led the Commander to the same location the Pact was heading: Mordremoth.
Yeah that was odd. A few mails every now and then from Laranthir on the status of the Pact forces would have been nice. Actually that would probably have helped to tie the personal story and world stories together… Hey Anet why not add a few mails here and there? Seems like a small change.