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I’m pretty sure this has been discussed before but I wanted to understand something. Was Scarlet’s presence in the Thuamanova Reactor Fractal her actually being there when the Reactor was going haywire or was she somehow in our fractal as we were viewing it. I say this because when I read her dialogue she seems to be talking to us regarding what was happening but I didn’t get the feeling that she was saying she was behind the explosion.

Well since the mists, from what i read in another thread is pretty much re-creations of events to the best of the mists capabilities, i would say that the scarlet we see is from the past and not invading our fractal. but because its just a re-creation it can still interact with outside objects such as the players, because we are also turned into inquest it would be her saying ty and goodbye to the inquest really.

Im not sure in thaumanova’s case but scarlet has apparently worked with the inquest in the past, but if i had to take a guess i would say she didn’t help cause the explosion as she even told the inquest that working with chaos energy was a misnomer.

See that’s what confuses me, we were turned into Inquest members in the fractals and it seemed like she were talking to us. Her line was “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.” This seems to be more on the line that she was talking to someone who wasn’t Inquest rather than people that were Inquest.

The mists show representations of past events. Kiel and Dessa tried to use the mists as a historical record so we presumably have to take it as that, although we can’t rule out parts of the fractal being representations of other events (so maybe the blob was in another inquest facility but the mists show it in the reactor, say). There’s no reason to think that Scarlet is traveling into that fractal just to lecture players each time.

The inquest workers in the fractal say that things stated to go wrong when the sylvari special advisor turned up. So it is likely that Scarlet’s interference was part of the cause of the explosion. Scarlet says that chaos energy is a misnomer but that only means wrongly named, it doesn’t mean she warned them not to research it. Also, when it comes to the ley lines she says ‘we live and learn’, suggesting that she was party to everything that happened. That’s the case for Scarlet being largely responsible for the explosion, or at least the thought that it would never have happened if she’d never been involved.

i took it as “scarlet was in there”. we know she was involved because of the dialogue she presents. it wouldn’t make sense for her to show up just to drop exposition on us and then leave. the way i see it, she was retrieving some data before the whole place blew up.

Without developer commentation, it’s near impossible to say, in all honesty.

Her dialogue indicates that she was there. She’s the special consultant mentioned if you pass the two Inquest members near the entrance. However, a few things to keep in mind:

1. The Fractals are never perfect recreations of the past, but given the purpose was investigation and we were turned into Inquest it seems to me that the point was “this is as accurate as you can get”.
2. The Arcane Council guy who’s part of the Inquest makes mention of Scarlet as of A Very Merry Wintersday, and he mentions that the Inquest were the quickest of the asura groups (Inquest and the three colleges) to kick Ceara out, which happened before the experiment, so it seems a bit weird that she is there as Scarlet Briar and as Inquest.

Either the councillor is lying (wouldn’t doubt it!), or that’s not a perfect copy. She may be a copy of Scarlet from some other point in time and location, which would explain why she talks as if not talking to Inquest – and her “death destruction mayhem, my job is done” bit could be referring to something else. That’d be a very odd way of doing it though, so I doubt it.

I don’t think that was Scarlet visiting the Fractal like us – theoretically, then she should have been turned into Inquest too, since that’s an effect of the Fractal and not Dessa.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Either the councillor is lying (wouldn’t doubt it!), or that’s not a perfect copy.

Both could be correct. Or it could be Councillor Yahk was telling the truth, as in the Inquest publicly kicked her out to avoid any political backlash her experiments might cause but in truth she was still a member.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

She may be a copy of Scarlet from some other point in time and location

So its entirely possible she could of been standing outside of the blast radius witnessing the reactor’s explosion and commenting about it to one of her lackeys?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I don’t think that was Scarlet visiting the Fractal like us – theoretically, then she should have been turned into Inquest too, since that’s an effect of the Fractal and not Dessa.

What if she was using a device similar to Headmaster Omadd’s machine? From the short story it seemed to actually project her conscious directly into the Mists. I’ll admit I don’t understand the technical information of Fractals but I’m assuming the fractal acts as a pocket dimension with its own rules and restrictions, hence why those going into the fractal from the laboratory would have their appearance changed to Inquest personnel.

Or what if whatever see saw has the capability of manipulating the mists in any form thus allowed her to enter the fractal unaffected by the rules and restrictions imposed onto those who enter the fractals?

I apologize if my post seems a bit random I’m just trying to maintain a neutral perception until more information is available.

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

She may be a copy of Scarlet from some other point in time and location

So its entirely possible she could of been standing outside of the blast radius witnessing the reactor’s explosion and commenting about it to one of her lackeys?

Theoretically, yes. The Mists can easily mix and mash multiple times and places. The Aquatic Fractal for example is hinted to being a mix-mash of Ascalonian and Elonian histories.

Though my thought was more along the lines of “while working with one of her modern alliance minions, she was going over and explaining her plot to said minion, and what we saw was her summary of the Thaumanova Explosion – the first line referring to the Queen’s Jubilee anarchy (or some such).”

Darkbattlemage.9612:

What if she was using a device similar to Headmaster Omadd’s machine? From the short story it seemed to actually project her conscious directly into the Mists. I’ll admit I don’t understand the technical information of Fractals but I’m assuming the fractal acts as a pocket dimension with its own rules and restrictions, hence why those going into the fractal from the laboratory would have their appearance changed to Inquest personnel.

Or what if whatever see saw has the capability of manipulating the mists in any form thus allowed her to enter the fractal unaffected by the rules and restrictions imposed onto those who enter the fractals?

I apologize if my post seems a bit random I’m just trying to maintain a neutral perception until more information is available.

Well, per an interview, the machine was a “sensory deprivation” tank of sorts. Meaning that she literally went into her own head. It is far more likely she went into the Dream – or beyond it using the Dream’s tie – than going into the Mists or the Eternal Alchemy (this could also be why Omadd’s earlier test subjects died, while Scarlet survived – the Dream connection saved her kitten ).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Well, per an interview, the machine was a “sensory deprivation” tank of sorts. Meaning that she literally went into her own head. It is far more likely she went into the Dream – or beyond it using the Dream’s tie – than going into the Mists or the Eternal Alchemy (this could also be why Omadd’s earlier test subjects died, while Scarlet survived – the Dream connection saved her kitten ).

Oh I see. As for the eternal alchemy, isn’t the mist consider just another cog within it to the Asura just like the Human Gods?

The asura’s take on the Mists in comparison to the Eternal Alchemy is never stated.

I think they’d treat it as they would treat the world, or the moon.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

Xukavi.4320:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

Or if she thought she was talking to Inquest personnel and she was referencing it as an entity outside of the group there as if to say “I told them and they didn’t listen”, while specifically identifying them:

To a cop in an interrogation room? “Look, I told the cops everything that happened there” is pretty much exactly like this, from what little I can tell.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

Of course not Also, is there any way to edit this thread so it isn’t a Q & A one? I tried editing and removing the tick box that said Q&A but its still the same

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

Or if she thought she was talking to Inquest personnel and she was referencing it as an entity outside of the group there as if to say “I told them and they didn’t listen”, while specifically identifying them:

To a cop in an interrogation room? “Look, I told the cops everything that happened there” is pretty much exactly like this, from what little I can tell.

sure, it could be that. but “she’s just talking with herself” is a much simpler explanation than “she was talking to someone outside the reactor but the distortion of the fractals made it so she appeared inside the reactor just to deliver that dialogue and then disappeared”.

it’s not like it’s uncommon in media to have villains talk to themselves when they’re alone.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

Or if she thought she was talking to Inquest personnel and she was referencing it as an entity outside of the group there as if to say “I told them and they didn’t listen”, while specifically identifying them:

To a cop in an interrogation room? “Look, I told the cops everything that happened there” is pretty much exactly like this, from what little I can tell.

sure, it could be that. but “she’s just talking with herself” is a much simpler explanation than “she was talking to someone outside the reactor but the distortion of the fractals made it so she appeared inside the reactor just to deliver that dialogue and then disappeared”.

it’s not like it’s uncommon in media to have villains talk to themselves when they’re alone.

You’re not getting what I’m saying. And I’ve not actually done the Fractals since nobody is still doing them for newbies like me :P

She sees the players as Inquest. She laments to them “I told the Inquest before…” referring to other Inquest members, perhaps assuming the players were lower echelon mooks.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Xukavi.4320:

The only reason I honestly brought this up was the wording used in her line “I told the Inquest chaos energy was a misnomer. Mind you, dragon energy is tricky, so I can see how they flubbed it.”

When she says that it seems she’s talking to the group that went into the fractals (which are supposedly members of the Inquest). It wouldn’t make sense for her saying that she told the inquest that it was a misnomer and talking to us as a different group of people unless we actually were a different group of people than inquest or she knew we weren’t inquest.

you’ve never talked to a hypothetical listener? like, even in your inner monologues?

Well, if you wanna put it that way fine. It would fit her crazy mentality I guess. It just seemed a bit odd

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

Or if she thought she was talking to Inquest personnel and she was referencing it as an entity outside of the group there as if to say “I told them and they didn’t listen”, while specifically identifying them:

To a cop in an interrogation room? “Look, I told the cops everything that happened there” is pretty much exactly like this, from what little I can tell.

sure, it could be that. but “she’s just talking with herself” is a much simpler explanation than “she was talking to someone outside the reactor but the distortion of the fractals made it so she appeared inside the reactor just to deliver that dialogue and then disappeared”.

it’s not like it’s uncommon in media to have villains talk to themselves when they’re alone.

You’re not getting what I’m saying. And I’ve not actually done the Fractals since nobody is still doing them for newbies like me :P

She sees the players as Inquest. She laments to them “I told the Inquest before…” referring to other Inquest members, perhaps assuming the players were lower echelon mooks.

just put a LFG up on prime time, you should get a party in no time. i do it often.

BrunoBRS.5178:

but it’s not crazy to talk with yourself as if someone were listening… right? ._.

Only if most of the world is crazy.