Scarlet the good guy,explaining events

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Posted by: hunter steele.7836

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full of spoilers
spoilers
spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello every one today i want to talk about why Scarlet was the good guy against (whole topic is spoilers) Mordermoth the jungle elder dragon that has now awakened. It all makes sense now. here is the explanation for the events that we have been experiencing.

1- The Molten alliance
Scarlet’s first alliance formed by the dredge and Flame legion, scarlet needed an army to go with her plans(High numbers and ground advantage)
2- Aetherblades
Another army for scarlet which Scarlet needed for her plans (air advantage due to airships)
3- Queen jubilee and Clock heart chaos
It was all just a test for her personal army Twisted nightmares (Ground advantage)
4- Aetherpath in Twillight arbor
It shows that Scarlet knows something very secret about caithe and that there is some kind of a relation between them
5- Tower of nightmares
Well i am not very sure but i have heard a lot of people saying that she was trying to find the cure for it and that is why she planted it and also the toxic alliance (Water advantage)
6- Marionette
The most interesting of them all and the main reason that makes me think that Scarlet is the good guy. Marionette its self is a mass destruction weapon (Aethercannon) also hard to defeat due to its structure and gigantic form. We helped Scarlet test it in lornar’s pass because by defeating it over and over and by losing to it we are helping her test the aethercannon power and the weaknesses of her Marionette. (It was not used against us because it would have been used in lion’s arch if she really cared about killing us all).
7- Scarlet’s journal
Scarlet’s journal is extremely interesting because it proves that without the dream protection(or the pale tree) the sylvari are vulnerable for being controlled by Mordermoth and the nightmare which what was mocking Scarlet. Her nightmares, Her visions “the abyss” “Visions of destruction and death”.
8- The eternal alchemy
I am not really sure about what she saw over there but i think she saw Mordermoth’s destruction and that is why she was started his camping against him.
9- Attack on lion’s arch and the ley lines
Scarlet didn’t target lion’s arch because she wanted it, it is obvious that she was trying to locate something under lion’s arch which is the ley lines. If you did the Scarlet’s end instance it will all make sense, after killing her you see the Awakening of Mordermoth cinematic and you go all like will scarlet was trying to awake him but wait! You can go back next to her corpse and you have 3 consoles. 1 of them says “The marionette control panel” There it shows that Scarlet was trying to Disrupt!!! not activate but disrupt the ley lines. So yes she was trying to kill Mordermoth.

Video of the fight for the cinematics(no consoles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Yko5RaYp8

I also attached a picture of the console it may not be very good, if it is not go ahead and redo the instance and see for urself

Notes and Unanswered questions

1- Where is Mai Trin and why did she escape or what purpose?
2- How did Tequatl get his boost?
3- Scarlet’s spinal blade pack blue print says “Caithe, someday you will see. Tyria needs me” _scarlet
4- Scarlet’s quotes “Tyria will bow before a new master”
5- Scarlet’s quotes “Aren’t you curios about why did i do all this? this chaos and destruction?”

Post your comments on what do you guys think about all this thanks

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

Hello every one today i want to talk about why Scarlet was the good guy against (whole topic is spoilers) Mordermoth the jungle elder dragon that has now awakened. It all makes sense now. here is the explanation for the events that we have been experiencing.

“Tyria will bow to a new master.” She says, knowing she’s defeated.

It was also stated in Edge of the Mists that she embraced the entity in her mind (aka whatever wanted her to tap the ley lines, heavily hinted to be Mordremoth) eventually (at the end of the journal).

5- Tower of nightmares
Well i am not very sure but i have heard a lot of people saying that she was trying to find the cure for it and that is why she planted it and also the toxic alliance (Water advantage)

That argument got debunked the second the Edge of the Mists was released. Marjory confirmed that she made a stronger poison using Marjory’s antitoxin. This poison is the Miasma that was used on Lion’s Arch – the one that killed hundreds.

She wasn’t working on curing poison.

6- Marionette
The most interesting of them all and the main reason that makes me think that Scarlet is the good guy. Marionette its self is a mass destruction weapon (Aethercannon) also hard to defeat due to its structure and gigantic form. We helped Scarlet test it in lornar’s pass because by defeating it over and over and by losing to it we are helping her test the aethercannon power and the weaknesses of her Marionette. (It was not used against us because it would have been used in lion’s arch if she really cared about killing us all).

Lore-wise, it was stated in a livestream that the Marionette event happened once. Not dozens of times. The Marionette’s corpse can bw found in Lion’s Arch, and there was no Aethercannon in the first place. The Marionette wasn’t used in Lion’s Arch because it was already destroyed – the entire point of the Marionette seems to have been to kill as many “heroes of Tyria” as possible during the weapon testing itself, given that the Marionette itself would have self-destructed.

9- Attack on lion’s arch and the ley lines
Scarlet didn’t target lion’s arch because she wanted it, it is obvious that she was trying to locate something under lion’s arch which is the ley lines. If you did the Scarlet’s end instance it will all make sense, after killing her you see the Awakening of Mordermoth cinematic and you go all like will scarlet was trying to awake him but wait! You can go back next to her corpse and you have 3 consoles. 1 of them says “The marionette control panel” There it shows that Scarlet was trying to Disrupt!!! not activate but disrupt the ley lines. So yes she was trying to kill Mordermoth.

Take an engineer with you, you get new lines. I’ve included all three consoles’ text as an engineer.

It more or less states her goal was “the dragon that was heard” (aka Mordremoth, who woke up).

And uh… how does one activate the ley lines… they’re always active.

What it seems Scarlet did was prevent the magic in the ley lines from going anywhere but one direction – a direction that led to Mordremoth.

Notes and Unanswered questions

1- Where is Mai Trin and why did she escape or what purpose?
2- How did Tequatl get his boost?
3- Scarlet’s spinal blade pack blue print says “Caithe, someday you will see. Tyria needs me” _scarlet
4- Scarlet’s quotes “Tyria will bow before a new master”
5- Scarlet’s quotes “Aren’t you curios about why did i do all this? this chaos and destruction?”

1. Scarlet had her escape to prepare for the LA invasion. Where she is, is unknown.
2. Should be unrelated to Scarlet.
4. She refers to Mordremoth. Most likely.
5. She’s just trying to have her traditional villain’s monologue gloating. kitten Braham for eternity.

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Posted by: hunter steele.7836

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this is all confusing but maybe you are right, or maybe she was trying to get rid of him it is all confusing.

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Posted by: Mickey Frogeater.1470

Mickey Frogeater.1470

Scarlet’s face upon death shows that she is likely Dragon Corrupted possibly even a Dragon Champion.

That said it seems through Scarlet’s claims that Tyria needs her that the Elder Dragon Mordremoth believes it’s helping Tyria not dooming it just like Zhaitan did.

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Posted by: PseudoNewb.5468

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“Tyria will bow to a new master.” She says, knowing she’s defeated.

It is a bit strange that Scarlet would say that.

I think Scarlet understands the nature of the dragons, and possibly about the past cycle of dragons. Her short story strongly hints that she knows what the natural progression is about to lead to. Namely the dragons awakening and consuming all magic while destroying the world.

Her main goal, according to the short story is to redirect the forces that control the natural cycle of the world, and I think that includes how the dragons operate. She says she rejects dream or nightmare, and I think that duality is just an analogy for dragon vs civilizations.

On the face of it, it looks like Scarlet simply fell to nightmare (or dragons following our analogy). But the question I guess then. Is if Scarlet was fully corrupted and controlled to make her loose her prior goals. Or if Scarlet has indeed succeeded in redirecting the forces that control the nature of the dragons.

Lets understand the forces that are the dragons. They have been said to be more akin to forces of nature rather than a malevolent force. They are said to be solely intent on consuming as much magic as possible before going to sleep. To this end, they are lethal forces of a near apocalyptic scale. But they only exert control as a means for their primary goal of consuming magic. They control minions in order to supply magical artifacts for consumption, and then presumably to clear the way so that the dragon or its minions can safely consume the magic strewn about the world.

To say that Tyria will bow to a new master, and that master is an Elder Dragon is contrary to everything we know about them. That is like saying that a beach will bow down to a hurricane, that the hurricane will be the master of the people living there.

Since the death of Zhaitan, I think the natural order of the dragons are a bit out of balance. We have evidence that Scarlet has argued with Morde…(uh i don’t know how to spell that!). But as far as we know Elder Dragonss don’t converse, they are after all, simply forces of nature. The closest we even get to interact with Zhaitan is through its minions. Something seems off about Morde. That is what I want to say.

It seems that some of Zhaitan’s servants threaten that the PC and other allies would be subservient to Zhaitain at times. Perhaps that is similar to what Scarlet says. But I think that is just the distorted view of the minions. In Zhaitan’s case there is the detail that dead people do in fact end up serving Zhaitan, so those minions are simply saying you will die and become undead. Perhaps Scarlet saying bow down Morde, is just a distortion of the Morde’s intent through Scarlet’s mind, but what makes it striking is the way She clearly states that Tyria, as a whole, will bow down. That is distinct to the threat from Zhaitan’s minions in that it refers to the whole of Tyria rather than the player or other specific allies. And the fact that Scarlet does seem to be of mostly clear mind, beside the babble during the hologram fight, makes me trust the validity of her words more than that of a champion of Zhaitan.

I think Scarlet has unleashed something worse than an Elder Dragon. The forces of nature have been disturbed so much that what we thought we know about the dragons could soon be invalidated. But in a way, that may just save Tyria from total destruction.

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Posted by: ThiBash.5634

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It would be so like Scarlet to do that. Why just settle for an elder dragon, when you can be mary sue and release something worse than an elder dragon?

Really, if there were any time for anet to retcon’s Scarlet’s epicness, this would the moment. Not pile even more on top…

If you can read this then it is proof that ArenaNet’s moderators just, kind and fair.

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Posted by: Kalarchis.8635

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Lets understand the forces that are the dragons. They have been said to be more akin to forces of nature rather than a malevolent force. They are said to be solely intent on consuming as much magic as possible before going to sleep.

Just to save Konig the trouble of having to explain this in yet another thread: the “forces of nature” thing is an analogy. To the races of Tyria, the dragons exhibit powers on par with natural forces like hurricanes. That is: they are overwhelming, seemingly unstoppable forces. They are not forces of nature in the way that a hurricane is. It’s just an analogy. They are living beings with wills and they quite clearly have a will to dominate.

Scarlet’s line about “Tyria bowing to a new master” is completely in line with what we know about the elder dragons; Zhaitan’s minions, particularly the Risen Priests, have lines like this. Saying that this is the “distorted view” of the minions doesn’t make sense, considering dragon minions appear to directly inherit the wills of their dragon. Her line is no different than the Risen Priest of Melandru saying “Lay down your arms and submit to my master.”

Scarlet is talking about Mordremoth. She was under his corruption; it’s even physically visible on her upon her death. Her goal, as you stated, was to “to redirect the forces that control the natural cycle of the world.” That’s exactly what she did: the natural cycle of the world and the dragons are tied to the passage of magic through the leylines. She disrupted the leyline hub so that the magic was redirected straight into Mordremoth’s mouth, kick-starting his awakening.

I don’t understand why so many people are grasping for something beyond an elder dragon.

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Posted by: Icewolfnector.1487

Icewolfnector.1487

It’s strange. I somewhat feelt sad for her when i saw her dead body in that cutscene.
I got a feeling in these last LS updates that Scarlet wasn’t only bad or corrupted, but while on one hand working for the dragon on the other she also did something that will help tyria in the long run we just can’t see yet.
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe this is all just wishful thinking, a hope for a major plot twist of sorts, but still.
Wouldn’t it be nice if “Caithe, someday you will see. Tyria needs me” was more than just delusional words of a twisted mind?
I guess I just have a thing for “missunderstood” characters ^^

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Posted by: Shiren.9532

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Lore-wise, it was stated in a livestream that the Marionette event happened once. Not dozens of times. The Marionette’s corpse can bw found in Lion’s Arch, and there was no Aethercannon in the first place. The Marionette wasn’t used in Lion’s Arch because it was already destroyed – the entire point of the Marionette seems to have been to kill as many “heroes of Tyria” as possible during the weapon testing itself, given that the Marionette itself would have self-destructed.

How does that gel with the five Priory NPCs that were at the map? Or the alternate dialogues from the NPCs depending on success or failure.

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Posted by: Warkupo.1025

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“good guy” is a bit of a stretch; her intentions may have had a beneficial goal in mind, but the way she carried them out was hardly what most would consider morally righteous.

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Posted by: jweez.7214

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I think the “aren’t you curious why I did this line” was just a teaser. Anet knows how kittened people were that we didn’t know what scarlet was up to, and to have braham ruin it for us right when we get to know her endgame was probably put there to make players facepalm but get excited again when we find out moments later.