Guild Wars 2

I don’t know how this was started, but there’s no mention of her that I can find, that categorizes her as a Soundless.

The wiki stated: “She was similar to the Soundless in that she was capable of keeping her thoughts and memories separate from the Dream of Dreams.” – Similar, not is.

Also: “During the course of the Living Story it is stated by the Avatar of the Tree that by separating themselves from her and the Dream the Soundless in turn reject her protection, which leaves them vulnerable to the corruption of the elder dragons. Most clearly this has been seen with the rise of Mordremoth, who had corrupted soundless sylvari such as Aerin and Scarlet Briar (whom whilst not officially stated to be Soundless was similar to the Soundless in how she separated herself from the Dream and rejected the protection of the Pale Tree).” – Similar.

Scarlet is like the soundless, but she is not a soundless. The soundless are a group of very peaceful villagers, who rejected the dream because they found its burden too much to bear, and/or wanted a stronger sense of independence. They were suffocated by its nature. Scarlet wasn’t exactly suffocated, but stubborn to accept it. It’s unstated if she ever meditated like the soundless to separate her mind, as it seems Mordremorth’s hold got onto her early.

Scarlet and the Soundless share the similarity of searching for independence, both striving for it in their own unique way. They don’t share ideas, philosophy, ethics, or desires. Apples and pears both come from the same family, but are not the same fruit.

Pirate Sylvari may have a different interpretation of the dream. Soundless work together in soul-searching. Dreamers embrace the Dream, Nightmare Court embrace the nightmare of the Dream. Scarlet was in a group of her own.

The only requirement so far for a Sylvari to be corrupted, is to reject the protection of the Pale Tree, the Dream, and other Sylvari. By rejecting this, they become separated, vulnerable to the corruption. The Soundless at least have each other to look after. Scarlet had no one.

So Scarlet rejected the Pale Tree, and the Dream, For whatever reasons. The Soundless, also rejected the Pale Tree, and the Dream, for whatever reasons. Thus by definition Scarlet can be considered Soundless.

Look at it this way. You have the Christian religion as a whole. But within that religion, you also have sects, or demoninations. (i.e Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Assembly of God, etc.) They are all considered Christian, but follow VERY different theologies and philosophies.

So while Scarlet may have had very different reasons for rejecting the Tree and the Dream, she still can be considered Soundless because she rejected them.

You’re quoting the wiki.

But keep in mind two things:

1. The wiki is written by the fans.
2. The wiki avoids absolutes in situations of interpretations.

Scarlet has never outright been stated to be Soundless, but she has outright been stated to have been disconnected from the Dream. Normally, that’d make her Soundless, except we’re not sure if the Soundless are the one and only means of being disconnected from the Dream, even though the best definition we have for Soundless sylvari are “sylvari disconnected from the Dream.” Per that definition, Scarlet is Soundless, but she may or may not have become Soundless in a different manner than every other Soundless out there.

While the only Soundless we know exist in a single village, and remain disconnected through meditation, this does not mean that they are the only Soundless, nor does it mean that all Soundless act like them. So you stating that “The soundless are a group of very peaceful villagers, who rejected the dream because they found its burden too much to bear, and/or wanted a stronger sense of independence.” is oversimplifying what Soundless means.

Similarly, you stating that “Scarlet wasn’t exactly suffocated, but stubborn to accept it” is false, because the whole “suffocating” thing the Soundless mention is metaphorical – and in a metaphorical sense, one can consider Ceara as having been suffocated by the Dream and the Pale Tree; just different reasons than the villagers we talk to. But again, that feeling of suffocation does not make a Soundless – that’s not a requirement; the requirement is being disconnected from the Dream and, arguably, doing so via meditations.

We don’t have a term for any sylvari disconnected from the Dream in a manner different from the Soundless because, as far as we know, such sylvari do not exist (unless we count Malyck, but he’s never talked about in regards to the Soundless, so it’s possible that the definition of “Soundless” may incorporate him too – and if such were the case, then it would incorporate Ceara).

In short, the wiki is just playing it safe with its wording.

On the other hand, you’re taking a very specific example and saying “this is all a Soundless can be.” Which would be no different than taking FOX News and saying “this is what all Republicans think.”

In a literal sense, Scarlet was soundless as she could not hear the ‘sound’ of Dream or Nightmare. She had disconnected herself from that. She felt no connection to any community of Soundless so she never joined any of those communities. There was never any reason she would do.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You’re quoting the wiki.

But keep in mind two things:

1. The wiki is written by the fans.
2. The wiki avoids absolutes in situations of interpretations.

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Point 1, not entirely, some of the postings on there are by A.net staff(or reviewed by A.net staff, since it is the official GW2 wiki).

Second, may or may not apply, without reading the entire wiki, it’s possible there are some absolute interpretations on there(since it’s mostly fan created content).

Actually, ArenaNet doesn’t touch the thing at all. There were devs that helped with getting cleaned information, or respond to questions on their talk pages, but that has reduced greatly over the years and was more or less restricted to GWW, barely existed on GW2W.

ArenaNet hosts the wiki. But aside from general system maintenance, they don’t really touch the wikis at all.

The only thing on the wiki that is not written by the fans, are the things in quotation boxes and NPC dialogues. And of course, any copy of official documents such as found in Category:Tales

Let me rephrase the second one: the wiki tries to avoid absolutes in situations of interpretations. This is one situation where they do avoid it.

I doubt that all the soundless have been in Omad’s machine.

Or the NC for that matter.

Well it’s really all a matter of definitions. If we define the Soundless as being a philosophical movement then OP is mostly correct, however if we define Soundless as those not connected to the dream (and thus no longer hear the dream i.e. are soundless) and thus define it as a state of being then Scarlet was a Soundless.