Guild Wars 2

I still think they’re not ley lines in the usual sense. They are magic flowing towards something. Something that draws magic in and eats it.

Like many roots feeding a single tree…

SunRoamer.5103:

I think MadQueen didn’t mean a literal deus ex machina in any case, just poking fun at the fact that most of the stuff so far has been pulled somewhat out of nowhere.

That’s what I meant, though they are right, it wouldn’t be a literal Deux Ex Machina, more like a plot device being dropped out of nowhere.

SunRoamer.5103:

But actually I think it would be hilarious if it would turn out to be an actual deux ex machina as you described, as in the Six descend and blast Scarlet away.

That would not surprise me in the least. It’s kind of like how Logan popped up near the end of the Personal Story with a huge airship that came right the taff out of nowhere, and resolved the problem.

SunRoamer.5103:

(The sudden existence of leylines also feels kind of deus ex machina-ish, as in it’s something which came out of nowhere to answer and supply convenient plot points)

It feels like it yes. Although Konig is right that they were sort of introduced hastily a bit earlier. So they did provide some introduction for them at least.

They also provided the Glory of Tyria with an introduction – during the Source of Orr (second instance). Even by name.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Uruz Six.6594:

Frosch.7809:

She found the location where it is resting, and has started to dig down towards it so that her Ethercannon can fire at it and kill it. I am sure that’s her plan, but it will most likely backfire badly. She is most likely doing what the sleeping creature wants her to do – help it rise.

So my prediction is that the Ethercannon will basically power the being up and allow it to rise earlier than it would have without Scarlet’s unintentional “help”.

A Pact member tells you after the defeat of Zhaitan that there is “one down, four to go”, so i bet we will see the Rising of Mordremoth, the Jungle Dragon, the sixth and final Elder Dragon to awake.

I repeat again: ‘What does God need with a starship?’ The other dragons woke up just fine on their own, why does Mordremoth need a giant drill?

Actually…

• Primordus needed the Great Destroyer to wake up. With the Great Destroyer’s death, Primordus was kept asleep for three more years. His other destroyers were still around, so it’s likely they – or another woken champion – performed the act the Great Destroyer was needed for.
• Jormag rose because Drakkar siphoned power from the Sons of Svanir (as they were thinking of doing such to Drakkar), and fed Jormag said siphoned power so that Jormag could rise. Supposedly, the death of Svanir also pushed Jormag back (per a subliminal hint by Glint about the dragon*s* stirring in the past, and were put back to sleep – it was plural, so likely wasn’t referring to just Primordus).

It seems that, without aid, the Elder Dragons will slumber for far longer than they would otherwise – Kralkatorrik woke, seemingly, on his own, and it is implied that Glint’s actions delayed him by 300-ish years (though that may be poetic rounding, as it’s more likely to be roughly 250 years – this being referenced at the same time as the mention above).

Zhaitan and the DSD may have held similar aid. In Sea of Sorrows, the leviathan known as “The Maw” was around in Orr before his rise for some years, and though never outright called undead at that point, it certainly was very resilient – much like its later undead reappearance – to the various assaults on it. It is possible that The Maw – or even something from GW1 (cough Rotscale cough) – was aiding Zhaitan’s rise.

Left alone, one would expect Mordremoth to awake about 50 years from now – as each Elder Dragon have been waking in a gap of 50 years from others. And the first two to wake, had aid while the last to wake was being fought against rising.

So what would a dragon have need for a giant drill? To reach magical currents to be used to aid the dragon in rising – as they need magic to rise in the first place.

In each case, though, the dragon’s attempted hastened awakening was done by their champion. So, by that theory, Mordremoth’s champion is… Scarlet. And the Pale Tree knew there was a dragon hiding in the sylvari psyche. And now this sylvari player wants to bang his head repeatedly on his desk.

Dragons on the ceiling, dragons in pictures, dragon-wing backpacks… I don’t know. It all still seems too obvious, but, well, yeah, MMO writing.

She’s obviously releasing bubbles. Somehow.

I noticed something strange on the screenshots of the interior of the Drill.
Dont read if you dont want to be spoiled in any way, I warned you. It isnt a really big spoiler but anyways:

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In the Drill, there is a projection of a map with the spots of the probes on it, like we saw in Scarlet’s lair. Only this map, is not of the playable area of Tyria it seems. It looks like the Northern Shiverpeaks.

Please confirm this is indeed the Northern Shiverpeaks. I am really confused by this, the only thing in the Northern Shiverpeaks of interest is Jormag right? Well tell me wat you think of it.

Screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/IWddfEy.jpg

Map:

http://i.imgur.com/NgYeFj4.jpg

You have to zoom in a lot on the screenshot.

I looks like a close up on Frostgorge… really hard to tell from that angle though.

It is north of Frostgorge. On the right of the icy area is green land and on the southeast of it are the scorched landscapes of the Fireheart Rise. Also there is a giant lake which corresponds better with the Far Shiverpeaks than with Frostgorge Sound.

Blurk.6231:

I noticed something strange on the screenshots of the interior of the Drill.
Dont read if you dont want to be spoiled in any way, I warned you. It isnt a really big spoiler but anyways:

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In the Drill, there is a projection of a map with the spots of the probes on it, like we saw in Scarlet’s lair. Only this map, is not of the playable area of Tyria it seems. It looks like the Northern Shiverpeaks.

Was this your screenshot or someone else’s? ‘cause I’m wondering if it cycles through varying maps, like, say, Cursed Shore, Crystal Desert, the Maguuma Wastes…

Also of note: The stick figure to the right. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of the marionette.

Uruz Six.6594:

Blurk.6231:

I noticed something strange on the screenshots of the interior of the Drill.
Dont read if you dont want to be spoiled in any way, I warned you. It isnt a really big spoiler but anyways:

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In the Drill, there is a projection of a map with the spots of the probes on it, like we saw in Scarlet’s lair. Only this map, is not of the playable area of Tyria it seems. It looks like the Northern Shiverpeaks.

Was this your screenshot or someone else’s? ‘cause I’m wondering if it cycles through varying maps, like, say, Cursed Shore, Crystal Desert, the Maguuma Wastes…

Also of note: The stick figure to the right. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of the marionette.

Mine, it doesnt cycle. Just this one with pulsing probe spots. It could just be decoration but I really think this is a weird decoration if it was one. This only raises more questions really. So it must have a meaning, right?

Blurk.6231:

Mine, it doesnt cycle. Just this one with pulsing probe spots. It could just be decoration but I really think this is a weird decoration if it was one. This only raises more questions really. So it must have a meaning, right?

‘Tyria needs me’ and ‘Breachmaker’ just made a whole lot more sense.

Uruz Six.6594:

In each case, though, the dragon’s attempted hastened awakening was done by their champion. So, by that theory, Mordremoth’s champion is… Scarlet. And the Pale Tree knew there was a dragon hiding in the sylvari psyche. And now this sylvari player wants to bang his head repeatedly on his desk.

Dragons on the ceiling, dragons in pictures, dragon-wing backpacks… I don’t know. It all still seems too obvious, but, well, yeah, MMO writing.

The Sons of Svanir were neither corrupted nor champions, yet they were used to hasten Jormag’s awakening.

Seeing how what wakens the Elder Dragons is magic, a champion isn’t needed but magic is. Thus, it would be possible for an Elder Dragon (or champion) to manipulate someone into giving the Elder Dragon magic. In this case, manipulating Scarlet to use the leyline to waken Mordremoth – theoretically. Scarlet need not be a minion for this to work.

And I want to emphasize that nothing confirms that the entity was in “the sylvari psyche” – just that Scarlet was already in some means of potential mental contact with the entity. If the entity is even related to Mordremoth. And if it is, chances are that the tie is via the Dream, by the Nightmare being Mordremoth’s influence (not corruption, influence – there’s a difference; Jora was influenced, but not corrupted).

Also: What dragons in pictures? What dragon-wing backpacks? Any dragon wing backpack was unrelated to Scarlet – and the Spinal Blades are far from “dragon wing backpacks.” Nothing relates the dragon painting on the wall to Scarlet, per se, since nothing else in the lab is cave-painting or draconic (though it is highly likely, and even then, who is to say the dragon is a representation of the entity?). And I’m fully unfamiliar with this “dragons in the picture” you speak of.

Blurk.6231:

I noticed something strange on the screenshots of the interior of the Drill.
Dont read if you dont want to be spoiled in any way, I warned you. It isnt a really big spoiler but anyways:

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In the Drill, there is a projection of a map with the spots of the probes on it, like we saw in Scarlet’s lair. Only this map, is not of the playable area of Tyria it seems. It looks like the Northern Shiverpeaks.

Please confirm this is indeed the Northern Shiverpeaks. I am really confused by this, the only thing in the Northern Shiverpeaks of interest is Jormag right? Well tell me wat you think of it.

Screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/IWddfEy.jpg

Map:

http://i.imgur.com/NgYeFj4.jpg

You have to zoom in a lot on the screenshot.

Looks like the top ends just north of Frostgorge, so it is playable areas. It’s no new map, that’s for sure, and it seems to be the same as in the lair.

(EDIT: Just without the cycling, unless you don’t see it cycling because it’s a glitch viewing – do the other screens scroll?)

Uruz Six.6594:

Blurk.6231:

Mine, it doesnt cycle. Just this one with pulsing probe spots. It could just be decoration but I really think this is a weird decoration if it was one. This only raises more questions really. So it must have a meaning, right?

‘Tyria needs me’ and ‘Breachmaker’ just made a whole lot more sense.

You’ll have to elaborate why that makes more sense.

It is clearly not Frostgorge sound. FGS has not got a green map on both sides. The lake is too big to be the one in FGS and this lake doesnt have ice islands in them. I can also see in the bottom right corner the top of the Fireheart Rise map. In the top left corner there is a snowy area which corresponds good with the Far Shiverpeaks. The probe spots dont line up with the ones in her lair:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Scarlet_monitor_1.jpg

An arrow come roughly from that spot but dont know if thats worth something.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Scarlet_monitor_3.jpg

I dont get how this is so hard to see.

Erm…

Technically, Frostgorge Sound does have green on both sides. And technically, as far as we know the whole body of water is Frostgorge Sound (it has no other given name, except possibly “Drakkar Lake”).

At the bottom of your image, you can make out the scattered islands of the zone Frostgorge Sound when unexplored. It does go further north than the other maps from before though, as I realized later, which is an interesting thing to note. But not by much, overall.

But the angle and the distance makes it far too hard to make out the image.

Does give a hint that it may be Jormag, not Mordremoth, if she’s influenced by dragons.