Guild Wars 2

Ok, so we met alot of the facets of the gods in GW1, they appeared as semi-transparent dragons (glint size).
For those of you who are interested here is the info:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Facet

But where are they now? The gods may have disappeared, but the avatars still have a presence, and the gods answer prayers. So surely they still have enough influence over the world for their facets to remain.

Also this begs the question, why do they appear dragon-like if they are similar to the gods.
Where are they?

We killed the Facets in GW1. Why would they return?

As for why they appear draconic – Jeff said that they reflect the nature of power the gods harnessed. I believe this is in reference to when the Six Gods tapped Zhaitan (without knowing they were tapping an Elder Dragon) to strengthen the bloodstones – according to Randall Greyston.

We didn’t kill them all though, the wiki page states there are a lot more than we can observe through the game.
“However, there are more Facets than have been observed and it is currently unknown if they all take the same form. "

And I can’t imagine the Facets were just created from Zhaitan’s power when they played with the bloodstone….
Also the fact that some of the Facets were put in place by Glint to defend her lair, while others were used by the Gods, taken from Jeff:
“They are not the gods themselves, but rather ghostly servants, and are tied to the Forgotten, who are not minions of the Elder Dragons.”

The Forgotten pooled alot of their un-corrupted magic into the Bloodstone, along with the other four races’ magic, so we can’t assume that their appearance came from Zhaitan.

Also this would then imply that the God’s magic source is the Bloodstone, which makes no sense if your statement is correct…

That’s new to me, so I dug. And I couldn’t find any reference to such. I noted that said line was there since the article’s creation though worded differently:

“However, by definition there are more Facets then have been observed and it is currently unknown is they all take the same form.”

In other words, the entire sentence was written on the premise of speculation based on the definition for “facet” – which may or may not (more likely in the “not” part) actually reflect what the Facets are.

I also found this: Think of these “facets” as one of any number of possible manifestations of those gods.

This implies that they would disappear when the Six Gods went silent.

And I never said the facets were created at that time or from Zhaitan’s power. I said that Jeff Grubb stated that the facets’ appearance is due to the power the Six Gods harnessed (exact wording: “the facets reflect the nature of the power that the human gods have harnessed.”), and theorized that the act of harnessing being referenced is when they strengthened the bloodstone. Not that they were made from Zhaitan’s power or made at that time. Rather, I was mentioning that they were made because of that action. That for some unknown-to-us reason, when the Six Gods made facets they became draconic because they once harnessed Zhaitan’s power in the past.

Also, Jeff Grubb mentions that it’s reflecting power the Six Gods harnessed, not the Six Gods’ magic source. So no, it doesn’t make no sense if my statement is correct – you simply misunderstood both myself and the article/Jeff Grubb.

Also, the Facets seen in The Dragon’s Lair are NOT the same as the Facets seen in Eye of the North. Jeff Grubb makes a point to differenciate the two. We don’t know what those who guard glint are, however the Dragon’s Lair lore implies that they were made by Glint: Her defenses are not to protect her. They are to test those who wish to gain her audience. […] Defeat the six facets of the great dragon prophet, and you shall be granted an audience. This dialogue seems to say that the facets in The Dragon’s Laire are manifestations of Glint’s power that she created to test those seeking her audience.

Also: If you want to get technical, nothing says that the forgotten’s magic was put into the Bloodstone. The Bloodstone contained all magic at the time – the forgotten are said to have come to Tyria in 1769 BE, and this statement from GW1 has not yet been stated to be wrong (we’re told the forgotten were around during the last ED rise, but never that they weren’t brought to the world by the Six Gods – and there’s an implication from one of Sieran’s lines that the ED last rose around 2,000-1,000 BE as she mentions that dwarven civilization began “over two thousand years ago” which implies by the lack of stating “three thousand” that it began 2-3 thousand years prior to GW2, and they were around for the last ED rise).

Given all the timeframe references we have for events – which are all fairly basic – it can be argued that the events followed this format:

Elder Dragons rise -> Mursaat betrayed the other races, mursaat/seer war, the mursaat flee Tyria -> Seers create Bloodstone -> Dwayna arrives on Tyria, and brings the forgotten to battle the Elder Dragons -> Forgotten free Glint, she hides the races -> Dwayna brings humanity and the other gods to Tyria (it’s also possible that she brought humanity shortly after arriving with the forgotten or shortly after the forgotten, then moved them south out of harm’s way).

With no magic they can consume (forgotten magic is somehow immune to and able to reverse the Elder Dragons’ corruption – or at least Zhaitan’s and Kralkatorrik’s), the Elder Dragons would have starved into hibernation rather than truly wipe out the world like they’re used to doing.

This is all theoretical though, but point remains that you misinterpreted me and are making assumptions elsewhere.

Thank you for digging. The first link was certainly an interesting read that I hadn’t remembered from GW1.
However theres a note in there regarding that Facets appear close to shrines of the Gods, so it may be we just haven’t found the right shrine yet, or that this wasn’t designed for lore’s sake but simply for a spawn location. I didn’t note anything in there to imply that the Facet’s would disappear as the God’s drew silent though.

You are correct, I did misinterpreted a few things. Firstly I had presumed that “During the last rise of the Elder Dragons, they forged the original Bloodstone to contain all untainted magic, including the jotun’s.” implied that magic from all the races had been included in the bloodstone.

And what I think I am not understanding is that Jeff is implying the Facet’s simply appeared, rather than be created.
If the God’s created them then it stands to reason they created them in an image for a reason, whereas if they just appeared because of a God’s power and the reflection from the harnessing of Zhaitan’s power then that explains (at least partly) why they look draconic.

However if Glint can create Facet’s then why is it we see no Facet’s of the EDs? Were Glint’s Facets created using power drawn from Kralkatorrik? Or did Glint harness other powers (such as Divine) to create her Facets? And if in hiding from the ED why would she then use powers linked to an ED?

P.S. Reading my first post seemed a little confrontational, it wasn’t meant as so! Also what is your reference for Dwayna bringing the forgotten? Can’t find any info on that.

Ty again for the reply and research

The shrines that’s in reference is not shrines to the gods, but resurrection shrines. There are no shrines to the gods (or statues to them) in the explorable areas the facets can be found in Eye of the North (all EN statues of the gods are in the Depths of Tyria). And it’s only for that one facet, not all of them.

The quote I pulled is what implies it to me – if they’re manifestations of the Six Gods’ power and influence, then if the Six Gods stop influencing, there would be no (new) manifestations.

The Bloodstone contained all magic that existed on the world at the time of its creation. Since we don’t know the relation of the forgotten’s presence on Tyria when the Bloodstone was created, we cannot say for certain. It’s likely that the mursaat were not there, since they were able to flee the world using their magic.

And I see nothing of Jeff’s lines that imply the Facets imply “appeared” – he outright states they’re ghostly servants, so that implies that they were created or born in some means. To me at least. Now, it may be that the gods simply created something without intention for imagry, or it may be that they’re like the Seven Reapers for Grenth who were formerly mortals turned into avatars – or like the celestials. That is, those six Facets could be former mortals “ascended” into the gods’ servants – which the ties to the forgotten I would say mean that they were formerly forgotten in my opinion.

As for Glint – she has shown to hold abilities no other dragon champion or Elder Dragon has shown to hold (foretelling the future – and partially mindreading which Jormag and his icebrood can do, but not Kralkatorrik). So she’s fairly unique in power. I wouldn’t doubt that facets are just an ether-only form of making branded for her (think of the Shatterer, take his shape and remove the stone and you basically get purple lightning Facets since he’s a hollow construct of stone and ether/lightning).

As for Dwayna bringing the forgotten – I do get there by the claim History of Tyria made from Prophecies that the gods (then called Five Gods, though Six Gods in actuality) brought hte forgotten. In GW2, the Orrian History Scrolls state that Dwayna was the first god on Tyria, followed by Balthazar who swept Orr in flames, and then Melandru who regrew the land. I take the case of Balthazar to be removing the Elder Dragons’ corruption (whether they knew that’s what it was or not – considering they live in places like the Realm of Torment, they might have thought “this place looks aweful! Let’s clean it up!”) and Melandru bringing more natural vegetation to replace it. Combine this then with the dwarves’ faiths – other than the Great Dwarf, you have a cult revering (but not worshiping) Glint – this can be explained by the fact she saved the race. Then you also have parts of the dwarven population worshiping Dwayna and Grenth (mostly evident during Wintersday, but there’s also a GW:EN quest featuring a Dwayna-worshiping dwarf and in Thunderhead Keep, Jalis makes mention of Grenth). No other of the Six Gods are mentioned by the dwarves, let alone revered or worshiped. Now, if the forgotten were brought by the gods, it’d basically be that the gods saved the dwarven race from extinction – if the Brotherhood of the Dragon exist because of Glint’s role in the past, then they may revere the god(dess) who brought the forgotten – in turn, it’d be Dwayna. Worshiping Grenth could then be explained in the fact that he’s Dwayna’s son.

It’s a bit of a connect the dots in an attempt to explain the odd dwarven faith that subsequently makes the correlation to the Six Gods’ role in bringing the forgotten to Tyria.

Of course, this all goes down the drain if it’s ever stated that the forgotten weren’t brought by the Six Gods.

The facets are glints avatars, her energies or whatever. Glint is gone the same are the facets. But maybe her children have developed theme. Who knows.