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Posted by: Stark.1350

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Some things I’ve been mingling over and I was hoping someone might have some answers.

1.) Could Mordremoth have made Trahearne’s Wyld Hunt himself, implanted it on purpose to lead and destroy Zhaitan, thus gaining more power upon his destruction? Which is why the Pact Fleet was so quickly annihilated?

2.) Where is the Nightmare Court in all this? Are they under the influence of Mordremoth? Could they end up being anti-heroes of sorts if not?

3.) Speaking of the Nightmare Court, where is Faolain?

4.) We’ve seen the Inquest in Dry Top and it’s likely we’ll see them again. Who is leading the Inquest now that Kudu was dead? Was Kudu even leading them to begin with?

5.) When Glint’s egg presumably hatches, what is the likelihood that Kralkatorikk will be the next elder dragon we face off with?

Thanks all.

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Posted by: Togo.7094

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1.)Iirc Trahearne’s wyld hunt was to cleanse orr not necessarily to kill Zhaitan. Caithe’s wyld hunt was to kill the dragon.

2.) At the start of the beta Canach says that only weaked willed sylvari are turned to mordremoth the rest fight so its possible some of the nightmare court have turned and some haven’t.

3.) Faolain might be trying to keep control of the court since some probably did turn but I’m not sure.

4.) I think Kudu was leading them but as you said we killed him. Unknown what is currently happening to them as far as I can remember.

5.) Unknown which elder dragon we will fight next.

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Posted by: feetfingers.4037

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I agree with a lot of what Togo said, but here are my thoughts on some of your questions.
1) Yes Trahearnes wyld hunt was simple (or not so) to cleanse Orr, that /might/ involve taking down Zhaitan but its not necessarily his duty.

2)Im sure they will be right in the think of things come HoT,however im sure they are absolutely writhing with nightmarish glee! As they absolutely are, however there is this ironic twist because the nightmare acts the same way the dream does (iirc im sure i heard/read this somewhere, that the dream and nightmare act as a “shield” to ol’ mordys corruption ill try to find my source on this though….) im sure that some nightmare court are weak willed enough to be corrupted.

3) ?

4) ?

5) I would like to have Jormag as the next dragon cause Norns need a bit more love imo. Although Kralky seems like the next big bad dragon enemy. The egg being a good precursor to spring board the story towards him.

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Posted by: Diovid.9506

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2.) Where is the Nightmare Court in all this? Are they under the influence of Mordremoth? Could they end up being anti-heroes of sorts if not?

There is a longstanding dispute on whether or not the nightmare is Mordremoth’s corruption. My suspicion is that the nightmare is not in fact his corruption. Like the dream sylvari, nightmare sylvari are also anti-dragon. In addition, the nighmare court is very much against the idea of others (such as Ventari’s tablet) dictating what they should do, thus they wouldn’t be supporters of Mordremoth I would imagine. Furthermore, the sylvari we’ve seen work for Mordemoth in living story seasons 1 and 2 were both soundless, not nightmare court. To me this implies that the nightmare provides the same protection as the dream against Mordremoth. Although, as we have seen, the combination of being weak willed, having a weakened pale tree and being in close proximity to the jungle can overcome that protection. I think the nightmare court will have some role to play in the expansion which will provide more definitive anwers.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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1) Wyld Hunts come from the Dream. Dark Hunts come from the Nightmare. Mordremoth does not control any of these four. However, it’s been confirmed that Mordremoth can use the same ‘channels’ as the Wyld/Dark Hunts to spread his influence, but the Hunts themselves do not come from Mordremoth.

As for Trahearne’s Wyld Hunt being caused by Mordremoth – highly unlikely. Mordremoth was asleep at this point in time and wouldn’t even affect Scarlet for nearly a decade. Ceara was further only affected because she became Soundless (hadn’t heard the Pale Tree’s voice in years by that point), which means she removed the defenses against dragon corruption. So the chances of Mordremoth having affected ANY Wyld Hunt prior to Season 2’s end (when Mordy’s influence seems to finally hold true weight) is unlikely.

2) They’re a third party. Points of Interest episode 18 tells us that Mordremoth uses not only the Wyld Hunts but also the Dark Hunts to affect sylvari. If the Nightmare was tied to Mordremoth kitten many think, then he would not need to use the Dark Hunts to affect Nightmare Courtiers – unless this was intentional red herring wordplay.

This doesn’t mean that Nightmare Courtiers will become good guys or anti-heroes. It merely means that we retain the three way conflict from before (Dreamers, Courtiers, and dragon minions). Both Dreamers and Courtiers could fall to Mordremoth.

3) Unknown.

4) Kudu was not the leader of the Inquest, but rather a highly ranked individual with a lot of sway. Who leads the Inquest – if any one individual – has never been known. Nor is it known who has taken over Kudu’s research on dragon energies after his death (and we know someone has as Arah’s explorable path has Inquest still researching this field).

5) I don’t think Glint’s final egg hatching will have that large of an impact on who’s the next Elder Dragon, tbh. While it was established that Kralkatorrik was to be after Zhaitan in dialogue, Jormag has shown to be far more active than the other dragons, so presumably Kralkatorrik was a target due to his likely-still-weakened state; but the next Elder Dragon will be the one that’s the next biggest threat, like Mordremoth became.

Currently, that stands to be Jormag. But any dragon could pop up as such.

And for why I don’t think the egg will have an affect on this: Glint had more than one egg. We don’t know their fates, but we know that this is the last egg – meaning that all other eggs either got destroyed, or hatched. If Gleam and these hatched eggs have been alive since 1320 AE, then they’d seem to be a bigger threat than this final egg that’s not yet hatched. I think the mordrem are after the egg only due to chance of opportunity due to its sudden proximity.

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Posted by: arenta.2953

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2.) At the start of the beta Canach says that only weaked willed sylvari are turned to mordremoth the rest fight so its possible some of the nightmare court have turned and some haven’t.

weak willed.
yep thats Traeharne.
he never does anything unless his mother or you tell him to do it.

and even then he oh so conveniently avoided fighting zhaitan while everyone else found time
and the result? he survived.

and then lead the pact to a place they can’t fall back from, with a large number of sylvari in the fleet.
and did you notice he fired into the jungle…..before we knew if anything was there.

he kittened the jungle off. causing the pact to die.

he’s been a minion all along.

at least we can trust canach. He’s a good guy.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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If you read the dialogue, you’d know that Trahearne was injured from cleansing Orr of corruption and thus was physically incapable of going to fight Zhaitan.

I don’t think you’d wade into battle if you could barely stand (which was the case for Trahearne).

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Posted by: arenta.2953

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If you read the dialogue, you’d know that Trahearne was injured from cleansing Orr of corruption and thus was physically incapable of going to fight Zhaitan.

I don’t think you’d wade into battle if you could barely stand (which was the case for Trahearne).

oh wah wah trahearne was injured

who did most of the fighting?
the player character.

how many times have we been injured?
ALOT MORE THAN TRAHEARNE.

but Trahearne gets a scratch and hides.
while we get shot and continue on.

hell tybalt fought to the last. was he scared of any number of injuries stopping him?
no. he was a kitten who said “COME AT ME”

Trahearne was a wimp who got a scratch and hide at base

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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If you get injured a lot, you’re not a good player.

8)

In seriousness, if you’re not just 100% fully trolling like I suspect you are, then you need to learn the difference between mechanics and story.

Because honestly, our PC can walk away from kitten that would make Superman cry.

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Posted by: arenta.2953

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If you get injured a lot, you’re not a good player.

8)

In seriousness, if you’re not just 100% fully trolling like I suspect you are, then you need to learn the difference between mechanics and story.

Because honestly, our PC can walk away from kitten that would make Superman cry.

my point is i hate Trahearne…
if he really WAS wounded. he could have given me that freakin sword.

i wish tybalt had lived and trahearne died……but no. i get stuck with the bad character and watch an epic character go down epicly, but not epic enough for the difference in epic between him and trahearne.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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The sword was his. Why would he give you his stuff?

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Posted by: Erukk.1408

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i wish tybalt had lived and trahearne died……but no. i get stuck with the bad character and watch an epic character go down epicly, but not epic enough for the difference in epic between him and trahearne.

Kinda off topic, but I never really understood people’s undying love for Tybalt.

Sure, he was a likeable and funny character, but I would never really describe him as “epic”. The only notable thing he really did in the entire game to possibly deserve that status was him sacrificing himself, but that would only put him on the same level as the other mentors who did the same as well. Yet Tybalt seems to be the only mentor who stands out for most people.

Trahearne, while coming off as a slightly boring character due to his monotone voice acting, has many more possible “epic” achievements compared to most characters. He spent the majority of his life wondering an undead wasteland researching Zhaitan and Orr’s lost culture, he seems to be a very powerful necromancer and renown scholar, he was able to command the combined Pact forces to victory in the campaign against Zhaitan, and he successfully cleansed Orr with Caladbolg.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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The sword was his. Why would he give you his stuff?

Second question: Do you really want it?

Wielding Caladbolg means that you’re essentially having the sword’s powers do the fighting for you rather than using your own skills. For most NPCs, including Trahearne, this is a good tradeoff for them. The PC, however, needs no such crutch – at worst wielding Caladbolg can actually make you weaker (at least one of the times I played the sylvari story step where you wield Caladbolg, I was wishing I could have my regular skills that were better) and at best, you wielding Caladbolg + random NPC using their own skills is less powerful than you wielding your own skills + random NPC wielding Caladbolg.

Remember, lorewise the PC is the Pact’s best fighter by far. While Zojja may have been exaggerating, her statement in Season 2 that the PC is over 70% of Destiny’s Edge’s firepower implies that the PC is better at killing enemies using his or her own skills than five of Tyria’s best NPC heroes combined. By the point Trahearne gets Caladbolg, having the PC wield a weapon that is basically a matter of pointing the sword at the enemy and letting the sword’s magic do its thing is a waste of the PC’s own awesome combat skills.

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Posted by: vanderwolf.7084

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I can only speculate on 5.

It’s very possibly that we may in fact finish what destiny’s edge started and meet with the remaining forgotten to finally kill Kralkatorrik.

let’s not forget Gleam (glint’s living baby) was never really seen or heard from so is probably out there, if another baby hatches, there would be two (Lyssa anybody?)

and if we kill kralkatorrik, there’s a theory in the durmand priory library that a dragon can absorb and replace an elder dragon, such as glint could have ousted kralkatorrik ala Grenth vs. Dhum/ Kormir vs. Abbadon.

This could point to us possibly helping gleam or the other baby to ascend to becomming a benevolent elder dragon.

This is also just me speculating based on the fact I would love for a living story to be us crossing the crystal desert and overthrowing palawa joko, liberating Elona, and building off of their remaining armed forces to destroy kralkatorik, maybe jormag…and then move down to Cantha to reestablish contact and fight the deep sea dragon.

but this is all me being hopeful.

On a 1.) thing. no I don’t think so….but when the pale tree gives him caladbolg. she says “this sword was given to a beloved son once, and now I give it to you”….but if he’s a firstborn, who was the other son? -chinrub-

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Posted by: Diovid.9506

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On a 1.) thing. no I don’t think so….but when the pale tree gives him caladbolg. she says “this sword was given to a beloved son once, and now I give it to you”….but if he’s a firstborn, who was the other son? -chinrub-

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Riannoc

There is an entire sylvari story line dealing with him.

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Posted by: arenta.2953

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The sword was his. Why would he give you his stuff?

cause it isn’t his.
if you play sylvari line, YOU got the sword first.

the sword has a purpose…which it isn’t used for. instead its used as a kitten toilet plunger

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Posted by: BuddhaKeks.4857

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Remember, lorewise the PC is the Pact’s best fighter by far. While Zojja may have been exaggerating, her statement in Season 2 that the PC is over 70% of Destiny’s Edge’s firepower implies that the PC is better at killing enemies using his or her own skills than five of Tyria’s best NPC heroes combined. By the point Trahearne gets Caladbolg, having the PC wield a weapon that is basically a matter of pointing the sword at the enemy and letting the sword’s magic do its thing is a waste of the PC’s own awesome combat skills.

I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. It needed the entirety of Destiny’s Edge and a lot often preparing to kill a dragon champion like the Dragon Spawn or the Destroyer of Life. The PC killed a comparable dragon champion, the Shadow of the Dragon, in a one on one duel. Granted, he had divine fire, which apparently is super effective against Mordrem (maybe all dragon minions?), but he also defeated him on his own before, during the World Summit event.
Overall I think the LW S2, did a much better job showing how powerful the PC really is, than the previous story lines. Of course the PS was more or less his origin story, so it makes sense he isn’t quite as tough from the beginning and LW S1 was more open world content than story instances. Still I hope they continue this trend in the HoT story.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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The sword was his. Why would he give you his stuff?

Because he likes us?
Or at the very least because we could guilt him into it “Oh Trahearne did I tell you how hard it was killing Zhaitan? If only I had a magical sword with me… Man I don’t know how I could possible fight the other Elder Dragons without a magical greatsword… If only someone had a magical sword which they clearly weren’t using…”

Remember, lorewise the PC is the Pact’s best fighter by far. While Zojja may have been exaggerating, her statement in Season 2 that the PC is over 70% of Destiny’s Edge’s firepower implies that the PC is better at killing enemies using his or her own skills than five of Tyria’s best NPC heroes combined.

Never thought of it that way… Would have loved it if my Charr could have made a cheesy one-liner “70% on a bad day!”, “70% of the firepower, 100% of the awesome”.
I do really hope we get some decent PC dialog in HoT (now that they have the systems in place).

Overall I think the LW S2, did a much better job showing how powerful the PC really is, than the previous story lines. Of course the PS was more or less his origin story, so it makes sense he isn’t quite as tough from the beginning and LW S1 was more open world content than story instances. Still I hope they continue this trend in the HoT story.

I completely didn’t even register how powerful the PC is. But yeah I guess the PC does do some impressive stuff through the PS and LW. I just assumed however that us single-handedly defeating the Shadow or any other ED Champion was more a ‘mechanics’ than ‘story’. What I mean is, the average player kills enough bandits, centaurs, ettins and random critters to be classified as a walking genocide, but it’s mostly accepted that this is more a ‘mechanics’ thing and not a ‘story’ thing.
Again I think it’s probably due largely to how disconnected the PC seems from the world and events around him (particularly in S2 due largely to no voice-overs, simple dialog trees, limited interaction with other characters etc.).

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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The sword was his. Why would he give you his stuff?

cause it isn’t his.
if you play sylvari line, YOU got the sword first.

the sword has a purpose…which it isn’t used for. instead its used as a kitten toilet plunger

If you want to get technical, you never got the sword. You borrowed the sword from the Pale Tree, who later gave it to Trahearne to use as Pact Marshal.

And it had been used for its purpose – to purify Orr.

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2.) At the start of the beta Canach says that only weaked willed sylvari are turned to mordremoth the rest fight so its possible some of the nightmare court have turned and some haven’t.

weak willed.
yep thats Traeharne.
he never does anything unless his mother or you tell him to do it.

and even then he oh so conveniently avoided fighting zhaitan while everyone else found time
and the result? he survived.

and then lead the pact to a place they can’t fall back from, with a large number of sylvari in the fleet.
and did you notice he fired into the jungle…..before we knew if anything was there.

he kittened the jungle off. causing the pact to die.

he’s been a minion all along.

at least we can trust canach. He’s a good guy.

haha very funny i got a good laugh out of what you said about Trahearne. but, putting that aside, Trahearne has become quite the leader. Sure when he first comes into the story he wants nothing to do with the orders or the pact (or fighting for that matter) but, later on he’s leading them and commanding the troops. as for the firing into the jungle…. We know that mordremoth is sleeping/starting to awaken within the jungle the firing into the jungle was an attempt to gain the upper hand with a preemptive strike, if anything it was a tactic that backfired HORRIBLY. And last but certainly not least… Canach. let us not forget that Canach was a criminal at one point. Though possibly misjudged at the time, there is that slight possibility that he could step out of line and turn on the pact. Though i do hope that he never does for i, personally have grown quite fond of Canach.

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Posted by: spartan.9421

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Some things I’ve been mingling over and I was hoping someone might have some answers.

1.) Could Mordremoth have made Trahearne’s Wyld Hunt himself, implanted it on purpose to lead and destroy Zhaitan, thus gaining more power upon his destruction? Which is why the Pact Fleet was so quickly annihilated?

2.) Where is the Nightmare Court in all this? Are they under the influence of Mordremoth? Could they end up being anti-heroes of sorts if not?

3.) Speaking of the Nightmare Court, where is Faolain?

4.) We’ve seen the Inquest in Dry Top and it’s likely we’ll see them again. Who is leading the Inquest now that Kudu was dead? Was Kudu even leading them to begin with?

5.) When Glint’s egg presumably hatches, what is the likelihood that Kralkatorikk will be the next elder dragon we face off with?

Thanks all.

now i don’t have much in the way of answers, but, i will add this: In the HoT teaser trailer (near the end when the turned sylvari are fighting what appears to be vigil soldiers) right at the end you can see faolain as she stabs a spear through a vigil soldier and hold him up as though he were a banner.

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Posted by: arenta.2953

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2.) At the start of the beta Canach says that only weaked willed sylvari are turned to mordremoth the rest fight so its possible some of the nightmare court have turned and some haven’t.

weak willed.
yep thats Traeharne.
he never does anything unless his mother or you tell him to do it.

and even then he oh so conveniently avoided fighting zhaitan while everyone else found time
and the result? he survived.

and then lead the pact to a place they can’t fall back from, with a large number of sylvari in the fleet.
and did you notice he fired into the jungle…..before we knew if anything was there.

he kittened the jungle off. causing the pact to die.

he’s been a minion all along.

at least we can trust canach. He’s a good guy.

haha very funny i got a good laugh out of what you said about Trahearne. but, putting that aside, Trahearne has become quite the leader. Sure when he first comes into the story he wants nothing to do with the orders or the pact (or fighting for that matter) but, later on he’s leading them and commanding the troops. as for the firing into the jungle…. We know that mordremoth is sleeping/starting to awaken within the jungle the firing into the jungle was an attempt to gain the upper hand with a preemptive strike, if anything it was a tactic that backfired HORRIBLY. And last but certainly not least… Canach. let us not forget that Canach was a criminal at one point. Though possibly misjudged at the time, there is that slight possibility that he could step out of line and turn on the pact. Though i do hope that he never does for i, personally have grown quite fond of Canach.

i like Canach, he’s had a rough start in the story (but he’s never been bland, he’s never been uninteresting, and most importantly. he’s never lectured the player about something off topic after every single kitten fight.)

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Wanted to ask, since the discussion is about Wyld Hunts and the dream, what is the Dream in itself? Was it something placed by Ventari or Mordremoth? Or is it like, something related to the mists? Why is it something exclusive to the Sylvari?

I was thinking that perhaps it was a mechanism placed by Mordremoth to assign roles to its minions? This way it can keep them in check and with a purpose.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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Wanted to ask, since the discussion is about Wyld Hunts and the dream, what is the Dream in itself? Was it something placed by Ventari or Mordremoth? Or is it like, something related to the mists? Why is it something exclusive to the Sylvari?

I was thinking that perhaps it was a mechanism placed by Mordremoth to assign roles to its minions? This way it can keep them in check and with a purpose.

Honestly we don’t know. We know it acts as some sort of repository for the collective experiences of the Sylvari (Pale Tree Sylvari at least), it has prophetic powers (as seen by the Pale Tree giving us a vision of the future… maybe also the Wyld Hunts). But the nature, function, and origin of the dream is unknown.

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Posted by: arenta.2953

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Wanted to ask, since the discussion is about Wyld Hunts and the dream, what is the Dream in itself? Was it something placed by Ventari or Mordremoth? Or is it like, something related to the mists? Why is it something exclusive to the Sylvari?

I was thinking that perhaps it was a mechanism placed by Mordremoth to assign roles to its minions? This way it can keep them in check and with a purpose.

defenitly something the asura should research

-heres my interpretation

but essentially the dream is the sylvari’s “spirit” or equivalent living inside the tree as their body grows (this is the dream)
the Pale tree acts as the controlling entity of the dream, (think of voluntary brain washing, except instead of replacing memories in the brain with new ones, its putting memories in empty spots, not removing memories, but adding more)

when their body has developed enough in its pod, the spirit transfers over and they are able to move independantly of the pale tree.

but they are still mentally connected to the tree, like a hive mind (where the sylvari have a larger degree of individuality, but all their experiences are relayed to the hive mind, aka the Pale tree, which the Pale tree then relays to the unborn sylvari)

when a Sylvari chooses to abandon the tree (join the nightmare court) they are cutting that hive mind connection and experienced true freedom and privacy (which is something that makes it appeal to these sylvari…..initially at least)

the hive mind cuts that connection to avoid their actions affecting what the Pale tree relays to the dream.

theoretically, the hive mind(Pale Tree) should be subservient to its master(the jungle dragon) who is the real live mind(Pale Tree being less of a hive mind, and more a relay)

but due to the jungle dragon being asleep, and the teachings of ventari, the Pale Tree has more or less cut the connection with the dragon and evolved from a relay to a hive mind controller.

but when sylvari are moving independently, weak willed ones (aka ones who dodn’t hold on to that link with the tree strongly) can be tempted by the dragon into its own hivemind (thus being controlled by him and cutting their connection with the dream)

-sorry if its confusing, this is how i understand it.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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As a note, the Nightmare Court are still tied to the Pale Tree. Their strategy, in fact, requires it – they’re trying to change the nature of the sylvari and the Pale Tree by feeding lots of memories of violence and death into the Dream (the hive mind, by your analogy). It’s the Soundless that try to cut the connection, and it was the Soundless that were most vulnerable to Mordremoth.

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3.) Speaking of the Nightmare Court, where is Faolain?

I believe in my theory after watching the announcement trailer at the end of LWS2. The physical evidence of Sylvari turning to “Mordremvari” is represented with their eyes turning red. You see Faolain in the trailer with red eyes whilst she’s spearing someone in the chest. I then looked up Faolain’s original eye colour and they were normally lilac/purple, so I personally believe she’s going to be corrupted or already has been.

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Wanted to ask, since the discussion is about Wyld Hunts and the dream, what is the Dream in itself? Was it something placed by Ventari or Mordremoth? Or is it like, something related to the mists? Why is it something exclusive to the Sylvari?

I was thinking that perhaps it was a mechanism placed by Mordremoth to assign roles to its minions? This way it can keep them in check and with a purpose.

Honestly we don’t know. We know it acts as some sort of repository for the collective experiences of the Sylvari (Pale Tree Sylvari at least), it has prophetic powers (as seen by the Pale Tree giving us a vision of the future… maybe also the Wyld Hunts). But the nature, function, and origin of the dream is unknown.

We know that people who are not sylvari can enter the Dream with the help of the Pale Tree. She has also mentioned that she acts as the Dream’s caretaker. We also know thanks to one of the Points of Interest episodes that Mordremoth will attempt to influence sylvari through the Dream and Nightmare’s Wyld and Dark Hunts, which implies that the Dream and Nightmare don’t come from Mordremoth.

We learn via one of the early sylvari storylines that the White Stag is also connected to the Dream and, like the Pale Tree, exists between the Dream and the real world. Gavin called the stag “a manifestation of hope and faith [in the Dream]. In Nightmare, it will be just the opposite — a creature of despair and hatred.” Caithe called the stag “a manifestation of the faith and joy of our race” and “a creature of pure magic; a conduit between this world and the Dream.” Whether the stag is truly tied to sylvari alone or if the sylvari misinterpret his role is unclear although I’d imagine the latter as we only ever hear subjective views about the stag so there’s enough mystery still left untold.

As for the Dream itself, even if the Nightmare Court uses silky words to lie to other sylvari and seduce them, I imagine that some of the things they said in the aforementioned storyline hold some merit to them as far as the connection between the Dream and the Nightmare as well as their true nature goes:

Nightmare Court Recruiter: The Dream is many things. It is light and dark, love and anger, good and evil. So are we.

Even if the Nightmare is shown as a perversion based on Dreamer and some Nightmare dialogue in the story, I’d like to see its darkness as a necessary balance to the light of the Dream, hence the duality: there can be no light without shadow to compare it to, and vice versa. Why falling into Nightmare appears to cause some changes to a sylvari’s psyche and why Courtiers can’t return to the Dream after having turned remains unknown (from what I’ve seen, anyway). However, some of this info comes from subjective sources (i.e. biased NPCs) so there is likely more to it than we presently know.

I hope that we’ll learn more about the Dream and the Nightmare in Heart of Thorns and how Mordremoth’s influence may have affected one or the other (perhaps in more ways than just making the Shadow of the Dragon manifest in the Dream via Nightmare and him subtly trying to reach the sylvari via the Wyld and Dark Hunts). It would be a shame if the Nightmare will be treated solely as “evil” because having proper duality for the concept would make the story more interesting.

What if we eventually learn that you can actually return from Nightmare under specific circumstances or that Mordremoth corrupted/manipulated part of the Nightmare to become something it was never quite meant to be (just like the Courtiers attempted to do to the Dream during the Personal Story)? There are many intriguing story possibilities if the writers choose to focus on such, but it ultimately depends on just how they’ve envisioned the origins of the Dream of Dreams and what its purpose is.

The problem for me is that apart from Gavin (and Cadeyrn based on his background story), there haven’t been that many “grey” Nightmare Courtiers. Most are simply shown as cruel people with few if any redeeming qualities, likely a necessity to not make us feel bad for killing them. I would be very saddened if all of Nightmare Court falls under Mordremoth’s power, though, especially if this happens to Faolain who we know craves power (and Caithe) above all else, so it would make little sense for her to submit to Mordremoth and lose her free will when she’d rather become the head honcho herself is possible.

It would be much more interesting if only some of the Courtiers end up joining the dragon while the rest refuse him, thus giving us a potential “enemy mine” scenario where we have to work alongside the Courtiers for the common good to break the sylvari race free from their destiny under the dragon’s wing even if our methods for doing so differ.

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Posted by: Roguedemonhunter.9621

Roguedemonhunter.9621

If you get injured a lot, you’re not a good player.

8)

In seriousness, if you’re not just 100% fully trolling like I suspect you are, then you need to learn the difference between mechanics and story.

Because honestly, our PC can walk away from kitten that would make Superman cry.

my point is i hate Trahearne…
if he really WAS wounded. he could have given me that freakin sword.

i wish tybalt had lived and trahearne died……but no. i get stuck with the bad character and watch an epic character go down epicly, but not epic enough for the difference in epic between him and trahearne.

Oh trust me- you don’t want to ever have your own abilities shut down and have that clunky sword’s powers replace your own. As a sylvari player that had the misfortune to have to use it for an entire fight…. ICKY bad combat mechanics.

Honestly I liked Trahearne best when he’s being awesome Necromancer guy. His helpfulness in the little combat he sees afterward just blows- and I fully blame that awkward as heck sword 1 through 5 skill-set.

The blade “Saladbowl” ;p is Terrible!

Peace out

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Posted by: vanderwolf.7084

vanderwolf.7084

I’d like to think the dream is connected somehow to what allowed glint to see the future, as well. hmmm. maybe. meep. bloop.

It’s one of the only sources of “prophetic power” in guild wars period, aside from Glint and the jotun(I think?) and possibly alastia crow

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

And Meerak, who foresaw the Searing a day before it happened. And then whoever foretold the occurrence of Nightfall – the name ‘nightfall’ comes from the a prophecy of the event. And I there were a couple other prophecies – and in turn, prophets.

For the first time, I actually find that this seemingly pointless and poorly coded article Santax made way back has a purpose.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: EdwinLi.1284

EdwinLi.1284

Honestly I liked Trahearne best when he’s being awesome Necromancer guy. His helpfulness in the little combat he sees afterward just blows- and I fully blame that awkward as heck sword 1 through 5 skill-set.

I’m more greatful how Trehearne willingly take on the boring task that being the Leader of the Pact requries him to do from political bull..I mean negotiations, supply management, military planning, office meetings with Pact staff members, military meetings for military planning, contact gathering, Military project planning, Piles of Paper work, and etc.

These things most players would just ignore until a Elder Dragon attacks because they’ll be boring pointless task players would complain and hate about. Of course by then the Pact may be in ruins due to players neglecting these task for so long in players were made the Pact Leader.

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Posted by: BuddhaKeks.4857

BuddhaKeks.4857

I remember when I first found that article years ago I thought, this might be useful in the future. And then I totally forgot about it. :P

You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.

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Posted by: spartan.9421

spartan.9421

Honestly I liked Trahearne best when he’s being awesome Necromancer guy. His helpfulness in the little combat he sees afterward just blows- and I fully blame that awkward as heck sword 1 through 5 skill-set.

I’m more greatful how Trehearne willingly take on the boring task that being the Leader of the Pact requries him to do from political bull..I mean negotiations, supply management, military planning, office meetings with Pact staff members, military meetings for military planning, contact gathering, Military project planning, Piles of Paper work, and etc.

These things most players would just ignore until a Elder Dragon attacks because they’ll be boring pointless task players would complain and hate about. Of course by then the Pact may be in ruins due to players neglecting these task for so long in players were made the Pact Leader.

hm someone else who actually realizes Trahearne isn’t useless and actually has a job o.o
here i was thinking i was the only one who realized that

Worrying is like a rocking chair: You go back and forth but never get anywhere.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

draxynnic.3719

People have been saying that for as long as the haters have been hating. It just tends to get drowned out.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.