Guild Wars 2

…with a new generation (or type?) of Humans, because they went to retrieve them due to the primeval forces of Tyrias nature (the dragons) had started their cycle of extinction once again.

Ogden Stonehealer theorizes that the Human Gods were able to shape the world the world around them due to the fact that they harnessed the magic that radiated from the dragons (which would explain their similarities to the Elder Dragons’ domains).

The human gods had a conflict with Abaddon because he gave humans the ability to harness magic – a deciscion that might have hastened the dragons awakening, due to them simply becoming hungry over the years (one can speculate that Abaddon did this so humans could defend themselves against the dragons?). It is also theorized within the game, that the gods chose Arah as their seat, due to the fact that Zhaitan slept beneath Orr.

But with the defeat of Abaddon and the stirrings of Primordius in GW1, the gods decides to leave Tyria once more – perhaps to introduce more Humans once the “Dragonapocalypse” had done its job once more.

Only this time, their original humans are still around, and suddenly the Human gods return with more, making lots of potential for conflict.

In one of the early story concepts for GW2 it is mentioned that originally the plot wasn’t around dragons – but instead about “celestial and demonic beings coming from above judging Tyria”.

What if parts of that idea never entirely left, but it still “alive” to some degree within the lore of the game?

Phaerim.9362:

Ogden Stonehealer theorizes that the Human Gods were able to shape the world the world around them due to the fact that they harnessed the magic that radiated from the dragons (which would explain their similarities to the Elder Dragons’ domains).

Are you referring too his dialogue at the end of Hidden Arcana? I think you might be misremembering that.

Ogden Stonehealer: The last time the Elder Dragons awoke, they wiped out almost every intelligent race on the planet.
Ogden Stonehealer: It is from this low-magic environment that the gods built the world as they wanted it.

After Melandru and Balthazar cleansed and reworked the lands (see the Orrian History Scrolls), the low magical environments gave the Six, I assume given Ogden’s dialogue, basically a blank canvas to work with.

The only time, that I’m aware of anyway, the Six drew upon an Elder Dragon’s power was when they accidently did so with Zhaitan’s when they were fiddling around with the Bloodstone.

The human gods had a conflict with Abaddon because he gave humans the ability to harness magic – a deciscion that might have hastened the dragons awakening, due to them simply becoming hungry over the years (one can speculate that Abaddon did this so humans could defend themselves against the dragons?).

All of the Gods had a part in the Gift of Magic, not just Abaddon, and we found that out by the additional info Angel gave out after her semi-notorious interview. I think there was something else about Abaddon handing out pieces of the Bloodstone later on? My memory is a bit fuzzy, and I could be wrong on that, but I’m sure someone will correct me later. lol

It’s possible it might have led to an earlier awakening of the Elder Dragons, but so far the only reasoning we got for them resealing magic was because everyone was killing everyone in constant conflicts and the humans were being pushed to the edge of extinction.

It is also theorized within the game, that the gods chose Arah as their seat, due to the fact that Zhaitan slept beneath Orr.

Source? I remember they first found Tyria because of the magic radiating off from the Artesian Waters, and they probably settled themselves and their humans in Orr because of that as well. But I don’t think they actually knew Zhaitan was beneath them though. I suppose Randall Greyston could be wrong…

Randall Greyston: Fantastic! The human gods not only sundered the seer’s bloodstone here-they increased its power.
Randall Greyston: They pulled the energies of Zhaitan himself, even though they did not know of the sleeping Elder Dragon.
Randall Greyston: They only knew that this was a place of great magical power, and built their godly city here.

But with the defeat of Abaddon and the stirrings of Primordius in GW1, the gods decides to leave Tyria once more – perhaps to introduce more Humans once the “Dragonapocalypse” had done its job once more.

The Gods already mostly left Tyria during their Exodus after they imprisoned Abaddon in the RoT. They still had loose ties with them sending their avatars to give blessings and whatnot, but the only real remaining tie they had keeping them to Tyria was Abaddon’s fate.

Once Abaddon was dead and his power/knowledge/mantle was passed to Kormir, that cut the last remaining tie they had to Tyria, and this was a couple of years before Primordus started stirring. They decided humans were ready to grow up and stand on their own, and they didn’t need the Six to hold their hand anymore and fight their battles for them.

I don’t know if the human gods will return, but I feel like we might have to go find out where they are. Mordremoth destroyed the Pact fleet like it was an annoying fly. There’s no way a ground attack would be any more successful. The Living Story has shown us one other possibility: Divine Fire.

Now, I’m not aware of a direct connection between the gods and Divine Fire, but it was described as such in Guild Wars 1. Combined with a few other old plots, such as the bloodstone in Maguuma, lead me to believe that the gods aren’t just gone from the story for no reason. The Mursaat are being played up, and they’ve face the Elder Dragons before, but Ascension was used against them before as well. If we’re going to fight more Mordrem like we did his Champion, we’re going to need a source.

What are you saying? The Mursaat will send us on a quest to the Crystal Desert to ascend and acquire a source of divine fire?

Eh, more like my theory got a bit mixed up there. To clarify (hopefully), we know we’re dealing with the Mursaat, and there are implications that it’s not an antagonistic relationship (at least openly). The Mursaat may have been villains in the past, but pretty much every evil they ever committed was for selfish reasons. They were one of the races that faced the Elder Dragons in the past, so wanting Mordremoth dead would fit their past characterization in a way that actually lines up with our motivations for once. So, I’m expecting some help from them against Mordremoth, and that might be the help we get.

However, the end of Season Two showed that Divine Fire works wonders against Mordremoth’s minions, and that binding force might be the only way to take down a dragon that already controls the land and clearly can’t be assaulted by air. While Divine Fire has so far been connected to abstract Ascension rituals, its description in Guild Wars 1 calls it a power of the six gods. Thus, I’m guessing getting Divine Fire from the gods themselves might be something we need in order to beat Mordremoth.

So those were kinda two theories crossing over each other. We know the Mursaat will be there, and they’ll make sense as situational allies, at least. However, the Divine Fire makes me wonder if we’ll get much more truly divine allies.

Just to throw one more theory out there, I think at least one god may have already returned (Disclaimer: This isn’t some solid belief based on any evidence, it’s just my favorite possible idea explaining oddities I have found elsewhere). As I fully explain in a recent thread about Queen Jennah, something is really suspicious about her and Countess Anise.

What if they were Lyssa?

This isn’t unprecedented. Lyssa lived in disguise among the humans before Arah was completed.

That’s not the only parallel. While in disguise, Lyssa brought them hope and helped them forget the past. Jennah is very popular among the people and her peace treaty is attempting to heal the past. For all we know, she may have even returned to give us hope as the Dragons awake around us.

Lyssa is actually two twins, goddesses of Illusions, and the patrons of Mesmers. Queen Jennah and Countess Anise are both extremely powerful Mesmers that have shown powers well beyond mortal Mesmers (imitating an Elder Dragon in Jennah’s case and disguising herself as a completely different race and potentially even hiding her age in Anise’s case). Jennah seems very illusory herself sometimes, which would make sense if they were a goddess that is both one and two people.

Lyssa is also the goddess of beauty. Jennah is very well known to be amazingly beautiful, but Countess Anise is apparently also a striking beauty. Lyssa is supposed to be so beautiful that men will die of thirst because they were too enraptured by her. Meanwhile, Logan has been completely enraptured by Jennah in a way that has gone beyond normal love. They have formed some special psychic bond that has not been replicated by any other couple or Mesmer that I know of.

That might sound crazy on its own, but something is definitely not right about either Countess Anise or Queen Jennah, and with all we’re seeing from Guild Wars’ past come back, I can’t imagine that they’re just going to leave the gods out of the story forever.

That bit about Lyssa sounds so amazing (Congratulations, it’s an awesome theory), it certainly isn’t the case.

It’s an interesting speculation.

I don’t think Jennah is part of the duality of Lyssa, though: replacing the Krytan monarch would be a pretty big step. It’s possible that Lyssa might have stepped into the role of Jennah because the royal line was going to go extinct anyway and Lyssa wanted to hide that.

What I would be more likely to suspect would be Lyssa exploiting her duality by having one of her halves remaining with the other gods in the heavens, while the other is on Tyria in the role of Anise. For Jennah’s own proficiency, having Lyss or Ilya as a mentor is probably sufficient to explain her powers.

draxynnic.3719:

It’s an interesting speculation.

I don’t think Jennah is part of the duality of Lyssa, though: replacing the Krytan monarch would be a pretty big step. It’s possible that Lyssa might have stepped into the role of Jennah because the royal line was going to go extinct anyway and Lyssa wanted to hide that.

What I would be more likely to suspect would be Lyssa exploiting her duality by having one of her halves remaining with the other gods in the heavens, while the other is on Tyria in the role of Anise. For Jennah’s own proficiency, having Lyss or Ilya as a mentor is probably sufficient to explain her powers.

I have to agree with this particular concept – besides, Angel has specifically stated that voiced lines often carry a lot more storyline weight than non-voiced lines, and are often used for foreshadowing. Canach’s comment about Anise’s age has her respond on nearly the edge of violence.

Its simple.
We handled Dragons once they run away from them. We can handle “Gods” as well.

1. Its only stated that the Human Gods brought humans to TYRIA.
2. Its also only mentioned that the Gods settled on Orr because of the magic associated with it, they were as far as we know NOT aware of Zhaitan.

You are making a lot of assumptions.

Were not aware at that moment, or even were sure what he is sleeping and not going to awake under them.
Anyway, haste departure of beings who serve as container to extremely strong magical powers (also, we know that they can be killed and/or stripped from their power) after awakening of beings who serve as devourers of such powers – it’s pretty natural to doing such assumptions.