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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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Halloween is over and in this time of festivities we are gifted with the announcement of the possibly last episode for this year: A Crack in the Ice .

As always, this thread is for speculations and when it goes live, for discussions that don`t warrant a seperate topic.

That being said, my trailer impressions:

  • After Primordus, we see some changes for Jormags followers. It seems this Season updates on most elder dragons, before revealing the next threat in a possible Expansion?
  • We seem to get reunited with Rox and Garm. Which means Braham isn´t far away.
  • Oh and we are going north, acording to some map changes northwest of forstgorge, so right into jormag territory.
  • Some familiar structures but most importantly, a giant jormag statue, similiar to the ones in Hoelbark, only less clear (jormags sword looks similiar)
  • Some Kodan love and “underwater content?”, so we get some Quaggans maybe? (fitting the new legendary shield?)
  • Green glowing minions, and Ice elemental, Claws of Jormags in the sky, decayed sons of svanir (closer to the books representation?)
  • Red Crytals (bloodstone?) sourounding a statue of Jora. The place seems to be underground, but sports vines and Quaggan lights?
  • Kodan guide and an Ice griffin?
  • a wolf like ice brood, more werewolf like. So maybe some link to Svanir?

Thats what i have seen. If you can elaborate or speculate on some of these things, feel free to do so. Otherwise, I am curious and ready for November 21st.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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  • Some familiar structures but most importantly, a giant jormag statue, similiar to the ones in Hoelbark, only less clear (jormags sword looks similiar)

That’s a statue of a Claw of Jormag champion. Jormag’s Breath sword is also Claw of Jormag head.

  • Some Kodan love and “underwater content?”, so we get some Quaggans maybe? (fitting the new legendary shield?)

There are images with true orca quaggans (unlike the core dark blue quaggans, these are proper black and white like the original lore and the quaggan tonics).

  • Green glowing minions, and Ice elemental, Claws of Jormags in the sky, decayed sons of svanir (closer to the books representation?)

The decayed icebrood norn is actually Bjarl the Rampager’s armor-less model from CoE. Been meaning to get a picture of it but never in a group that’s willing to slow attacks on him. The armored version of the model is more commonly used but still rare – seen elsewhere only in the Durmand Priory and quaggan PS, Barrowstead meta (only since the S2 changes), and upscaled Snowden Drifts ley line events.

  • a wolf like ice brood, more werewolf like. So maybe some link to Svanir?

Didn’t see this. Got a timestamp?

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

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I won’t be surprised if we get a call from Taimi claiming that Kralky is active. Then we can go to the crystal desert for the next update.

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Posted by: Randulf.7614

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The wolf like one is pretty much a normal icebrood wolf (at 1.00). I don’t see anything unusual in it from the brief flash.

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Posted by: Mem no Fushia.7604

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If new mastery will be also in ancient magic tab what will it be?
Will new mastery be needed to progres that chapter if yes, it should be avaible to pick regardless of order.

It could be surviving in very cold place like with animal fat.
It could be termal porplusion map travel in edition that there is griffon that grab your back and carry you to point.
It could be will resistance or corruption resistance or bear blessing cuz Jora, JoraxSvanir.

Rox and Garm. Frostbite was probably tunneling uderground.

There is water and ice above water like second way to travel.

Those bonfires below that ice-mautain with bear structures on top of it.

Forest.

If perceiving ls3 as guide tour around all treats next checkpoints: kralka, deep see, centaurs and other lessers races, flame legion, toxic and molten alliances, aetherblades, consortium, bloodstones.

Lines from ls3 ep1 – wm and partition, lazarus, kryta throne, bloodstone and craziness, caithe shadow, pri. Seis and pri movements as prologue.
Line from ls3 ep2 – pri, mursaat, fire islands and vortex danger, dwarens and artiffacts, past and relations between races (even if its false etc.. -) – mentioned last rise, rifts and folk from aetherblades displaced anchor, rytlock is leaving us on purpose, aurene and tarir no function, caithe guardian, majory necromancer lore norn of few words – jor active.

Braham can be here, just he didn’t talk.

Wisdom of bears and how taimi would describe it and use in her works.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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The wolf like one is pretty much a normal icebrood wolf (at 1.00). I don’t see anything unusual in it from the brief flash.

Yes, at 1:00, however it is much bigger and seems be only partly crystaline. I could be imagining things, though, since it is only a brief moment.

I am finaly reading Edge of Destiny and Eir told the tale of Jora. Maybe I was mixing things up there.

@Konig: I am not as familiar with the models. But this was the first time I saw an “undead” Son of Svanir/transformed Norn like that. Similiar to its depiction in the books.

You are right about the Claw of Jormag, but wasn´t this the same design used for the Jormag totems? I was thinking they are building a giant dragon to worship, similiar to what the Norn in Hoelbark did.
I don´t believe they have to sculpt the Claw of Jormag for it´s master, though that would be an interesting as well, because it would tie in with the Norns themselves.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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The Jormag totems use a different model- longer snout, more horns, and of course serpentine.

My first thought seeing the Claw, actually, is that we might not be seeing a statue. There’s been some theorizing about (in fairness to the people who may have gotten it right, theories that I’ve been against) that the Claws are entirely made from ice, with no organic component. If that’s the case we may be looking at how it’s done.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Yes, at 1:00, however it is much bigger and seems be only partly crystaline. I could be imagining things, though, since it is only a brief moment.

It’s not all that larger. And it’s leaping so it looks taller, but it’s just in mid-air.

There’s nothing unique about its back – just a normal Icebrood Wolf.

@Konig: I am not as familiar with the models. But this was the first time I saw an “undead” Son of Svanir/transformed Norn like that. Similiar to its depiction in the books.

Quite a lot of icebrood actually have a ‘lack of flesh’ situation, but this is easiest seen in the rarest of icebrood models (the one everyone is thinking is new in the trailers) and in the Colossi. Harder to see but you can quite visibly see rib cages and a skull imbedded in the large hunk of ice (as well as a spine along its back). The oversided Icebrood Norn (four legged, uses oakheart frame) is also with a decayed face.

You are right about the Claw of Jormag, but wasn´t this the same design used for the Jormag totems? I was thinking they are building a giant dragon to worship, similiar to what the Norn in Hoelbark did.

I don’t think it’s the same design, but I do think it’s basically a statue of reverence rather than crafting out dragon champions.

Could also be an excavation, though. That they’re uncovering dragon champions from the previous dragonrise…

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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  • Red Crytals (bloodstone?) sourounding a statue of Jora. The place seems to be underground, but sports vines and Quaggan lights?

Just watched it again- not quaggan lights, but the glass baubles grawl have around. You can also see the grawl paint scrawled on the statue and the walls. Apparently we have Jora worshipers.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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  • Red Crytals (bloodstone?) sourounding a statue of Jora. The place seems to be underground, but sports vines and Quaggan lights?

Just watched it again- not quaggan lights, but the glass baubles grawl have around. You can also see the grawl paint scrawled on the statue and the walls. Apparently we have Jora worshipers.

Oh, that makes sense.
I totally forgot about the Grawls, after the game had.
I mean, they just vanished after the last time we saw them… when they fled to LA from the molten Alliance.

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Posted by: Sock.2785

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Jaken.6801

Red Crytals (bloodstone?) sourounding a statue of Jora.

Those crystal formations appear orange; unless the lighting is affecting their visuals (switching their colour from red to orange) it shouldn’t be a bloodstone.

It’s also worth noting that the human character we see in the trailer wielding Sabetha’s rifle (skin) actually uses it as a flamethrower, like Karde or Sabetha herself would do, and not like a rifle, like a PC would do; it’s plausible then that character is an NPC, probably a bandit. Perhaps those crystals have something to do with this character.

My research has found a thread between magic and the mind. The two are linked.
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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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Red Crytals (bloodstone?) sourounding a statue of Jora.

Those crystal formations appear orange; unless the lighting is affecting their visuals (switching their colour from red to orange) it shouldn’t be a bloodstone.

It’s also worth noting that the human character we see in the trailer wielding Sabetha’s rifle (skin) actually uses it as a flamethrower, like Karde or Sabetha herself would do, and not like a rifle, like a PC would do; it’s plausible then that character is an NPC, probably a bandit. Perhaps those crystals have something to do with this character.

True, but there are kits for engineer and items to pick up that change player behaviour.
Since we don`t see him from behind (?), it could just be for atmosphere.

On the other hand, why focus on someone like that? It is too secific, for a generic PC representation.

Maybe a new mastery, allowing firesticks aka rifle flamethrowers o combat ice enemies?

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Posted by: Sock.2785

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Jaken.6801

True, but there are kits for engineer and items to pick up that change player behaviour.
Since we don`t see him from behind (?), it could just be for atmosphere.

On the other hand, why focus on someone like that? It is too secific, for a generic PC representation.

Maybe a new mastery, allowing firesticks aka rifle flamethrowers o combat ice enemies?

Nothing can really get excluded for now, but I personally doubt it’s a mastery; if anything it could be an environmental weapon (maybe linked to a heart).

However, that character is presented just in that place in the trailer, always shown in the presence of those singular crystal formations.

My research has found a thread between magic and the mind. The two are linked.
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Posted by: Mem no Fushia.7604

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It seems master x master alpha playtest will start 22th nov and there is only one gw2 character. If would export next hero who would be?

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Flamethrower guy could be a White Mantle/Bandit boss, perhaps the new zone’s raid boss being transferred to open world?

Dear ANet writers,
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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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I kinda agree.
Seing how he is supposedly in the “grawl cavern” , I guess it could be part of an metaevent there.

Maybe a group of mercenaries trying to push out the grawls?

Do we even have some bandit activity in shiverpeak territory?

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Posted by: Mem no Fushia.7604

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Did we ever see Braham or Eir using racial skill?

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Posted by: Shiren.9532

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I didn’t much care for the Aurene instance but that’s probably because I don’t care for Aurene. The story elements and dialogue reminded me of a children’s cartoon rather than a conversation of a battle hardened commander but I do appreciate this is trying to get us to experience teaching and raising Aurene through gameplay. I don’t find the concept of raising a good dragon too interesting (I assumed as much was possible from GW1 and the baby dragon, never mind the sylvari) so I wonder what the purpose of this is.

Bitterfrost Frontier is my favourite new map by far. Something about it reminded me of GW1 (I think a big part is the soundtrack). It was nice to not be around asura everywhere. For the first time I actually didn’t mind the quaggan. I don’t love quaggan, but I felt like they did a good job of fleshing out this part of Tyria and fit well into our purpose up north. Overall the map felt more like a living part of the world, unlike Ember Bay and Bloodstone Fen which felt like almost empty maps with mobs generated in them.

I thought the open world elements of the story were a lot better implemented in episode three than two. Two felt like an excuse to have us do each heart, this time I actually felt like I was doing something and learning about the world up north.

Braham was a pita the whole way through and I honestly didn’t think he was worth the effort (I was done with him when he ran off on his own when we first entered Verdant Brink). He resented his mother for his whole life and only recently spent a few days with her and it’kittenting him this hard? Everyone is different but it seems bizarre he’d be this upset over someone he barely knows, even if its his biological mother. As he himself pointed out, plenty of people in Tyria have lost someone to the dragons, he isn’t a special snowflake for losing his mother. I’d be fine to see Jormag turn him at this point.

The biggest disappointment for me by far was the final scene. I love fantasy because of legends like the one about the tooth. I was really looking forward to seeing the norn rally behind someone who damaged the tooth and took us into a dragon campaign for of legendary feats and crazy norn tales. I expressed a while back I hoped Braham would not be the one (it’s bad enough he co-opted Eir’s story, I really didn’t want to him to co-opt the Fang of the Serpent as well) and instead we would see some other norn man or woman rise up and flesh out our roster of legendary heroes, or give more screen time to someone we don’t see enough of.

It was nice to not have an instance in Rata Novus for once. I actually dreaded when Taimi said we get samples then test them out, the first two episodes have played that one out. I agreed with Braham about using Destiny’s Edge instead of Dragon’s Watch, I hope we join it when the others recover. I don’t see Braham dieing to Jormag (although it would be the perfect tragic norn legend seeking death that mirrors his mother’s earliest portrayal in Hoelbrak and a truly surprising twist in the story) so I suspect there will be some melodrama with Braham before he rejoins the fold and aids in taking down Jormag.

It’s nice to see and talk to kodan again, they have some of the cooler lore in GW2, I also thought each of the renown hearts told an enjoyable world building story. Episode 3 is probably my favourite when I don’t focus on Braham’s role in it.

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Posted by: Valmir.4590

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Braham was a pita the whole way through and I honestly didn’t think he was worth the effort (I was done with him when he ran off on his own when we first entered Verdant Brink). He resented his mother for his whole life and only recently spent a few days with her and it’kittenting him this hard? Everyone is different but it seems bizarre he’d be this upset over someone he barely knows, even if its his biological mother. As he himself pointed out, plenty of people in Tyria have lost someone to the dragons, he isn’t a special snowflake for losing his mother. I’d be fine to see Jormag turn him at this point.

The biggest disappointment for me by far was the final scene. I love fantasy because of legends like the one about the tooth. I was really looking forward to seeing the norn rally behind someone who damaged the tooth and took us into a dragon campaign for of legendary feats and crazy norn tales. I expressed a while back I hoped Braham would not be the one (it’s bad enough he co-opted Eir’s story, I really didn’t want to him to co-opt the Fang of the Serpent as well) and instead we would see some other norn man or woman rise up and flesh out our roster of legendary heroes, or give more screen time to someone we don’t see enough of.

In itself, Braham didn’t bother me so much. It was more the lack of response from my Commander (who is a battle-hardened norn, who should have put shame on Braham “Perhaps your mother wouldn’t have wanted you either in her guild, knucklehead ?”). Even worse was the fact that when I heard Taimi’s plan I was all “Hell no ! I don’t want Asuran’s silliness on my epic Jormag’s Hunt”.

It’s something I’ve wanted to see since even before the launch of GW2, a mighty hunt of hundreds of norns going to kill Jormag, venturing in the far north, defeating the monster against all hope. And now my character, a norn, will have to oppose it to favour Asuran shenanigans ? Please ANet, don’t go this way, it would kill every interest I have in a fight I wanted to have for years now.

Braham breaking the fang doesn’t bother me, at least it is a Norn who break it. What I can’t understand is how did he learnt of the parchment used by Aesgir and why no other Norn ever tried to get it, to our knowledge ?

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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I haven`t done much in the new map, so any deeper lore there is not for me to talk about right now.

For the story itself: It was okay. Personaly the weakest so far.

  • The “training” of Aureen was just frating for me. I see where they want to go with it, but in my opinion they can leave me out of it. I personaly don`t care for her and I wish she would take more a backseat position. Be a dragon and no qutesy saturday-morning-how-to-train-your-dragon-knock-off.
    That part was just annoying.
  • New map is great, but as said before, I didn`t delve too much in it. But we can see Quaggans freeze to death, which is interesting.
  • There is some mechanical dwelling underground. Scarlet test area or Dredge. We have to see. It looks similiar to a giant drill.
  • Undead-Icebrood was okay, but I am curious why there were undead and jungle worms. How did they get there?
  • Last instance was bad. Really bad. I wanted them to do something with Braham, but the literal lone wolf thing he is doing now is soo bad, it just hurts.
    Furthermore it just doesn`t fit his character.
    He is old enough to have lived through several Svanir and Dragon minion onslaughts. He has seen several people die.
    Yes, his mothers death is a big event, after they rekindled their family feeling, but even if he was written as a dumb musclebrain, he never struck me as an unreasonable Idiot.
    Right now they created a character that had potential to be saved and flushed every dignity he had down the drain.
    Before I wanted him gone, now I wish he would just bash his head in, the next time he attempts his brute force methods.
    Right now I demand a choice to let him die in the obvious event that he will fail and we have to bust him out.
    Braham has lost every sympathy I had for him.
    If he was written well, he would have been reasonable, but right now he is just a giant piece of… Argh , but you know what. Who cares. They blew it and now I am just disapointed.
    Oh and you didn`t establish the cool fire magic well enough, so deus ex machina much?
  • Ending Video: Screw you Braham. You should have failed right now. I would have loved it, if you weren`t such a whiny little… you know what I mean.
    If it wouldn`t be for the fact that these events would`t screw us all over, pushing the Norn into the “stupid fighter without brain” area, It would be glorious.
    However as it is helmed by Braham I am out. I don`t care anymore.

Overall the weakest episode so far.
It is great that we got more info on Quaagan, Kodan and Grawl for this area of the world, but the main story should have been scrapped and rewritten.
No part of this episode left me with any kind of satisfaction.
Well, except Taimi, because she was the only reasonable person (never thought I say that) who wasn`t even there.

Seriously, if we have every Character go down the brooding dark way, then I just wish the dragons would finaly kill us.
First Majory, now Braham. Good thing Rox has her puppy eyes, because I wouldn`t be able to take her seriously, but if Kasmeer goes towards the dark side as well, then there is a serious problem here.

Writers. Get your kitten together, because this artificial drama is just stupid, annoying and takes away from the worlds story, which is way more interesting.

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Posted by: BuddhaKeks.4857

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Some thoughts:

I liked the idea behind the first mission. Training the young dragon to fight for us, instead of trying to consume us. I just don’t like Aurene. I think she looks creepy, her name sounds stupid and the labyrinth part of that mission was incredibly frustrating because she was the only one who could end the ooze spawns, yet decided to get stuck fighting every single one of them. I could have bashed her dragon face through those walls during that mission. The final fight was yet another “boss is invincible until you do something”. Seriously Anet, can you atleast try to design other bosses for the story instances? I’m sick and tired of that design. Especially if you have to wait for an NPC or your opponent to do something. I hate that!

Going north was fun, though this season starts to feel like it’s all over the place. Just like season 1. I prefered season 2’s theme over that. But on the other hand, we don’t only get a new map, but also a new geograpic region every update, so I don’t want to complain too much. I also liked the new Kodan lore. Listening to the Flamebearer’s (I don’t actually know their english name, but I hope they went with the pun!) accounts on the Flame Spirit was interesting. The new map mechanic is entertaining and flavourful too. Good job on that.

The Son of Svanir disguise felt like a rehash of the Mursaat disguise. Not a bad idea but not very creative, considering we just did in the episode before. I was confused by the Son’s being idiots now, but a dev on reddit told me that it was always that way, even though I can’t remember any instances of that. I guess I will just role with it. I liked the potion quest though.

The next mission was pretty much just another boss fight and even though it was yet another “invincible” boss, I liked the solution to that fight. As long as I can smash things and don’t have to wait for anything, I’m fine with it. Still less invincible bosses would be better imo.

Now the last mission was incredibly boring gameplay wise, but I liked it on a storytelling level. I wish Braham was less of an emo but I can relate to loosing ones mother, hence I will give him a pass. It’s cool to finally get to know how Asgeir managed to knock that tooth out. I however wondered where that scroll came from and why have we never heard of it before? (or did we?)
The boss figth… I don’t even know what was going on. I just saw another invincible boss and Braham asked me to get the scroll. Problem, there was no scroll. So I ran around looking for it. After a few minutes I climbed up the cliff trying to get a better view. Still no scroll. Waited another 1 or 2 minutes, suddenly all the ice elementals died and the scroll was there. I have no idea if I did anything, or if I was supposed to wait (but there is an achievement for doing it in under 5 minutes…). Maybe it was bugged, I have no idea. All I can say is, please no more invincible bosses, atleast not 3 in a row. 1 per episode is more than enough!

About the ending. Well I actually agree with Braham. Why did we have to create a new guild? Continuing in Eir’s name would have been the respectful thing to do. It’s utterly pointless. Also why was my character stuttering the entire time? Just because Braham got some attitude? I don’t think my Norn, or Charr characters would let that slide. Come on, we killed 2 dragons. Show some respect Braham or I slap it into you.

You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.

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Posted by: Shinigami.4051

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I’m enjoying the new maps and most of the missions are fun, but I’ve been getting more and more frustrated with Season 3’s story.

Anet is giving me less and less reason to care about the new characters. First Marjory turned on us for no reason, now Braham is acting like an immature brat because the mother he barely knew died. Even the few characters I like I’m unwilling to get attached too. After all, who knows who Anet will kill next for the sake of unnecessary drama?

I also find myself frequently baffled my own character’s decisions. I still think leaving the Pact was stupid.

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Posted by: Slowpokeking.8720

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So it’s true. We are going to let the 2 dragons destroy each other? Why didn’t they think about it before?

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Posted by: Mordeus.1234

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Really disappointed that Braham is the one who damaged the tooth. Not only was it incredibly predictable but Braham just isn’t charismatic enough to be the one to fulfil the prophecy. They have pretty much cemented his status as a major player in the lore and that is a real shame. Seeing as he is the only Norn representative, any lore related to that race going forward will have Braham involved all the time. They should introduce a new Norn character of significance, someone who represents Norn in a positive light. Aside from being Eir’s son, I don’t get what is so captivating about Braham.

If they do introduce a new Norn, it should be a female since part of the reason why Eir and Jora were so great is that they were legends within a patriarchy. Eir in particular was a great foil to the women hating Sons of Svanir. Having Braham around just misses a golden opportunity to exploit that part of Norn society. I truly wish it was Eir who destroyed the tooth, since having a woman be the key to destroying what the Sons of Svanir worship is poetic. Although it would be hilarious if Taimi melted the tooth with a heat ray just to shame Braham.

His sap story is wearing thin too. He is carrying on as if he was the only one to lose a loved one. I just hope Marjory’s story doesn’t fall into the same angsty pitfall. Everytime he reminds me that Eir died, I just think it should have been him. I hope that the story is leading to him falling from grace. His arrogance and blindsided nature should see him either devoured by Jormag after attacking it head on or somehow corrupted by the dragon due to his hunger for power and hatred. If there was a candidate next expansion to die it should be him.

That said I did agree with him regarding Destiny’s Edge. The writers haven’t really sold me on the new guild, if it even exists right now. All this drama is just delaying the formation of the new guild.

I hope that Braham forges a rival dragon hunting guild that acts in direct opposition to Dragon’s Watch. The story could do with a good rival faction and a “Kill All the Dragons” one would be a nice counter to the whole save Aurene plot. Not to mention that if Braham tried to slay Aurene, it would give a good opportunity to exit him from the story.

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Posted by: TheOrlyFactor.8341

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About the ending. Well I actually agree with Braham. Why did we have to create a new guild? Continuing in Eir’s name would have been the respectful thing to do. It’s utterly pointless.

I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. This is the only thing I liked from the recent Living Story update. This has been bothering me since Rytlock made the suggestion to make a new guild and ever since I’ve wanted nothing to do with Dragon’s Watch.

I hope Zojja and Logan snap out of their break and give Zipper-Lips a good beating.

Playing GW2 for the story is like expecting plot in a porno. You’ll be left disappointed.

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Posted by: Zephic.3075

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The segment with Aurene was a bit too sappy for me, personally. The dragon is cute, but the whole training her to be good felt a bit forced. I did like seeing Caithe in that episode, but this is the THIRD time in three episodes that we have gone through her apologizing for her actions during Heart of Thorns, although this is the first time that her segment was optional.

I absolutely love the new map. It is much larger than the previous two with various weather effects and terrain. Ember Bay was a bit bland and looked the same everywhere. On the new map, we have a variety of different places to explore and things to do.

Braham and I do have different opinions regarding his mother’s guild. Destiny’s Edge is something to look up to. A collaborative guild filled with the best of all races is something to enshrine and not for us to join, but to believe in. I do understand where he is coming from with regards to upholding his mother’s legend, but when does he stop thinking about upholding her legend and start writing his own? Respect can mean different things to different people.

Technically, there is no Destiny’s Edge left to join. As pointed out in Episode 1 by Rytlock, Eir was the guild leader, Logan and Zojja are both out for the foreseeable future, which leaves… him and Caithe, who has wandered off to do her own thing.

I never really liked Braham in previous instances and the final part of this episode simply brought out all of his bad points. He rushes in without thinking about the consequences. We tried to talk him out of it, but his hotheadedness prevents him from listening to us and he simply slaps our hand away when we only wanted to help. This is the exact attitude that gets good people killed, although I did not particularly like my character’s response to him. Yes, it was our fault for the svanir chasing after him, but his whole “I’m not going to give Jormag one more minute, because someone else’s mother is going to die” attitude towards us, who have seen many close friends and allies die in front of us is sanctimonious. Also, his whole diatribe of “so only you get to pick when we fight the dragon” made me want to slap him upside the head with my greatsword.

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Posted by: Pregnantman.8259

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It’s not like we can’t be threatening and bossy in character. Our dialog with Caithe in the last 2 chapters of HoT story shows this. I mean, who cares about Eir or rest of them? Player character was the one to take their pettiness and infight, bring them back and remind what is at stake. Player character was the one to form the greatest organization against dragons in history. Player character was the one to press 1 and slay Zhaitan. Player character was the one that lead the fight inside Mordremoth’s find, and he/she was the one to end it personally. How can any of the Destiny’s Edge members compare, less so Braham? Of course it is only up to us players to choose when to fight dragons Braham, we killed Zhaitan when you were in your Norn boy shorts.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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Having calmed down after a good nights sleep, i might be a bit more reasonable.

Let me just say one thing: How Braham is being used is just disapointing
I mean that in a general way. He is someone whos destiny seems to be failing and if he does succeed he isn’t able to grasp or hold onto it.
Braham still has an unexplored past, but we know about the life he build himself.
It wasn’t an easy one, but it feels like everything is out there to punch him in the guts, when he feels better.
Loosing friends and loved ones to dragon minions, molten alliance, another man and what else, he definetly had his ups and downs which would put everyone through the wringer.

However, if he weren’t written as a muscle-brain, then he would be more sympathetic.
If he wouldn’t have been the reason why I just shake my head at the situation more than once, then I would understand.

He went from cool, to sympathetic to useless over time. He was in the group as the token Norn, with no real reason, aside from “friendship” and “dragonslaying”. He was the comic relief.

I hoped they either phase him out or give me a reason to care about him.

Seems like they want to continue his streak of being a hindrance, instead of an asset, though. Killing his empathy for a dark and grivious persona, who should know better.

Now he will be a “leader” and representing the Norn on the front and this just sad.
This won’t be the epic tale people were waiting for. It is just sad, because it is set out to be a failure.
I have no doubt that Brahams rush will bring more harm than good and that we will have to bust his sorry kitten out at some point, resulting in the “i am sorry i was wrong” from both sides and some back to back battle, because we can’t have him die (which I wouldn’t mind right now)

There was no need for this kind of dark redemption. Braham needed something to make him likeable, something positive to his character.
He is dead for me and I don’t believe a necromance would be able to bring him back.

On a more interesting note: VISUAL CUES AND MAGIC POISON

  • Aurean does appear next to you as a spirit when you finish a story step or die. Kinda cute nod.
  • There is an interesting trend with the new designs of the group. There is some glowing and colouring going on. All have a dark and green touch. Braham has a green glowing sign on his helm, Taimi went green glowing, Majory black and green, Canach was it from the start and Rox’s bow is now glowing yellow (don’t know if it new)
    Could these be signs of magic poisoning or some kind of energy corruption? Maybe that could explain some developments.

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Posted by: Squee.7829

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Small things I noticed or am curious about:
It was mentioned that distance is a factor in dragon corruption. Insignificant thing to note, but I remember this argument being brought up in other threads.

Koda are very obviously making comparisons between fire (or the spirit of fire, or whatever) and Aurene (for those who unlocked all the dialogue with the flame tender Koda)

The new guild seems to be off to a pretty rough start. Marjory already mouthed off and followed Lazarus, now Braham, being particularly moody, decided he wants nothing to do with your guild business either.

Leader and sole member of the “Bring Penguins to Tyria” movement.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Technically, there is no Destiny’s Edge left to join. As pointed out in Episode 1 by Rytlock, Eir was the guild leader, Logan and Zojja are both out for the foreseeable future, which leaves… him and Caithe, who has wandered off to do her own thing.

Personally, I still think it was unnecessary.

Sure, there were only two of the original six still active… but Zojja and Logan are still alive and may get back in the action later (even if I expect they’ve been put on a bus due to voice actor availability). Organisations aren’t necessarily defined by their founders – you can have people leave and new people join and still be considered the same organisation. There were indications earlier in the story that DE considered the PC to be one of them, so at the point Rytlock decided to pack it in, there were essentially two out of the six pre-LS2 members still around, and three with the potential to come back in at a later date. That’s enough continuity to recruit a few more members and continue on.

So it’s true. We are going to let the 2 dragons destroy each other? Why didn’t they think about it before?

You missed the part where Taimi clarified that she wasn’t thinking about actually getting the dragons to fight one another, and instead thinking about using their magics against one another, right?

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Dream In A Dream.7213

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Liked the new map execution, especially the way story is integrated. But the story instances felt as if they were written by different people who have conflicting views of the characters.
Aurine story was consistent enough, and fun if silly. I can see how it can work to bond the player to the npc. I was even considering getting its mini after that instance, even though I hated the silly design at first. The last mission ruined most of the story so far. Terrible design and characterization. I liked Bram in s2. But in the last mission I was really starting to think that the writers got confused. It felt like they were trying to shoehorn a character into a role that he was not designed for. Rather than make Braham a more complex character, it made him feel as someone written by a lot of different people who have not read the design document. The scroll of fire felt like a horrible deusex machina(sp?) to me. It was not explained, or developed enough to make any sense.

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Posted by: BuddhaKeks.4857

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After thinking about it again, there is one big benefit of Braham breaking the tooth. We might finally get some story screen-time for the Norn. Since LS season 1’s Flame and Frost, the Norn (and the Charr) have been barely involved. The Charr atleast had Rytlock’s adventure in the Mists and the set up before that. But the Norn, aside from the tiny bits of Eir – Braham interaction, we pretty much had nothing.

Meanwhile Sylvari and Asura drove every single plot thread. Humans interjected every once in a while with some royal drama or White Mantle conspiracies, but even that was for the most part the B-Plot of LS 1 & 2 and pretty much not relevant for HoT. They got the raid though. Norn and Charr however, as I said as good as nothing for about 4 years now. It’s time we give them something to do.

You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.

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Posted by: Slowpokeking.8720

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You missed the part where Taimi clarified that she wasn’t thinking about actually getting the dragons to fight one another, and instead thinking about using their magics against one another, right?

I don’t see how is that possible without letting them meet each other.

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Posted by: Amineo.8951

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So it’s true. We are going to let the 2 dragons destroy each other? Why didn’t they think about it before?

Not really, Primordus is still way stronger than Jormag (Fire vs Ice lel), a good match up against Primordus would be the Deep Sea Dragon, otherwise it’s 50/50 with Kralkatorrik.

My guess is that Primordus will indirectly help Braham to get Jormag killed so he can steal his power.

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Posted by: Randulf.7614

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You missed the part where Taimi clarified that she wasn’t thinking about actually getting the dragons to fight one another, and instead thinking about using their magics against one another, right?

I don’t see how is that possible without letting them meet each other.

Taimi specifically said not pitting them directly, so it’s going to be the use of technology. That is the entire point of the last 2 episodes – research for Taimi.

Having two Dragons fight each other sounds awesome in theory, but in practice may be rather hard to pull off. And it also denies an epic battle for us.

Whatever happens, I sincerely hope we don’t kill off any Dragon prior to an expansion. The sheer amount of maps and lore and potential that would be lost, would be a travesty for the game.

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Posted by: Daris.1253

Daris.1253

Honestly?.
I knew we’ll meet Braham,however I have thought….it will be more kind meeting.I can understand him…Eir’s death.Braham unkind when Taimi was mentioned….for me it was weird.Someone will tell me what I am writing,but way to defeat Zhaitan was long.I rememeber.Even in HoT it wasn’t easy.
I feel Dragon Watch won’t survive.In episode 2 Marjory,now Braham.In other words Commander can work with The Pact.What about Rytlock?.He may be in jail.I really can’t see next events optimistic.I don’t know too well Braham…however when he was leaving I thought ‘’What a stupid man’‘.He’ll try be leader who will try kill Jormag.I’m sure.
By this way….Aurene is cute.

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Posted by: Valmir.4590

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Somehow, I feel as if Braham was reenacting the story the Kodan at the foot of the Sanctuary told about the origin of the norns (the one the Kodans believe, that is) : Braham, like the Claw in the story has lost his Voice (Eir) and refuse to wait, to be patient. Now, the question is : will he end like the Kodans think the norn did (i.e. devolving into lesser beings -in Braham’s case, probably an icebrood) or will he “change the story”, so to speak ?

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Posted by: Donari.5237

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You missed the part where Taimi clarified that she wasn’t thinking about actually getting the dragons to fight one another, and instead thinking about using their magics against one another, right?

I don’t see how is that possible without letting them meet each other.

She did say something about involving Spencer (the chak organ). That could mean in some way siphoning off Jormag’s energy to toss cold ice on Primordus’ areas of control, and vice versa.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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  • First instance felt less like we were teaching a powerful but young dragon the ethics and moralities of civilization, and more like we were playing with/training a pet.
    • Edit: Also, seeing visions of Aurene now? Yup, we’re corrupted.
    • End of first instance: Really, send Primordus to fight Jormag because fire magic and ice magic will cancel? If this was the case, then shouldn’t every elementalist’s magic ever just go “poof” or “kaboom” given that they can – sometimes near simultaneously – use both fire magic and ice magic?
  • New map felt great. I loved all the nods to old kodan lore and expanding on them. Even brought nods to the EotN mentioned spirit of fire. When I was going through the map, before I realized the below, I was having a blast. I was convinced at this point that this was the best release of S3, despite the first instance not being for me or the whole “Primordus versus Jormag” thing.
    • However, the layout of the map feels bad. Previously, where the forest is was water. Now that it isn’t, and the zone is landlocked by mountains, I have to ask: HOW THE HELL DID THE ICEBERG SHIPS GET TO FROSTGORGE!? Anet, you removed their sea access…. and made it a forest… and added another iceberg ship (full on land at that) in a similarly landlocked location…
    • I’m also confused as heck as to why we’re now calling the icebrood norn “Svanir” instead of, y’know, Icebrood.
  • Svanir disguise was a too obvious rehash of the mursaat disguise and was horrid to lore. Icebrood have a hive mind, how the hell do we trick that, exactly?
  • Dialogue after getting the elixer makes it seem like the leaks were real. Proximity affects how much magic a dragon can get – well, who was close to Zhaitan? Kralkatorrik. They both got more magic than Jormag did, it seems. Leak was going after Primordus + Kralkatorrik, not Jormag.
  • Second instance, I loved the mechanics and the aesthetics, but there’s one problem..
    • Apparently, the opposite of “Death Magic” is not “Life Magic” but… plant.

Gonna stop the bullet points because this is pretty major…

First, last episode, we got Taimi “confirming” a bandwagon theory that Mordremoth ate Zhaitan’s powers.

Second, Taimi made the suggestion of doing the bandwagon outcry from players of how to deal with Primordus/Jormag – send them after each other. Not really a sound idea given the whole ‘they eat each others’ magic’ set up.

Third, we got confirmation of the old bandwagon theory that the great storm (no longer called such) was during the previous dragonrise.

And now, we got proof of another – illogical – bandwagon theory being confirmed, that death and plant magic cancel each other out.

Okay. So… That tells me one thing:

ArenaNet is not writing their own lore anymore. They’re just taking old popular theories and tossing them all in… even if they don’t make sense either alone or with each other.

I mean,why the hell would Mordremoth eat Zhaitan’s magic (and never show this) when Zhaitan’s magic cancels out Mordremoth’s magic and vise versa (which makes no sense – why would plant cancel out death?)?

Okay, rant interlude over, back to bullet points from going over the story:

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

  • Returning to the Claw and Varonos was funny. The comment about the Svanir being annoyed over someone stealing them of elixer was great. Why? Because it goes back to the original writing and story style of Guild Wars, and part (not all) of what made it great. There are consequences for actions. And this needs to be shown more.
  • Braham feels off. Like Caithe did in HoT. He feels too over the top. He hated his mother for years and it was bad enough that he got over that hatred when fighting alongside her one time. It feels like the entire reunion and Eir’s death was done just to make Braham even more irresponsible and hostile than before. The entire build up for Eir’s death was bad, but Braham now acting like this is worse.
    • That said, I fully agree with Braham about the guild situation. And i hope that Logan and Zojja come out of their comas and they, with Braham, Rox, and Caithe, continue Destiny’s Edge – and I hope that those three reel Braham in. This Dragon’s Watch thing was silly from the start and felt wrong.
      • That also said, Braham is wrong: we were a member of Destiny’s Edge, with Eir alive, and she welcomed us in. We not only reunited them, we killed an Elder Dragon with them. The ending of the personal story, where DE and the Commander walk through the gates of Fort Trinity, spelled out “we are Destiny’s Edge” not “we are Destiny’s Edge and the Pact Commander”. And in Season 2, the Pale Tree said we were part of DE too, IIRC.
    • The boss fight was chaotic. There was no prelude to any mechanic except for rocks falling from the sky (the one mechanic that was unnecessary) which is a first since Aetherpath. Until you figure out what you’re looking for, it’s nearly impossible to figure out all the tells. The fight wasn’t bad, the preparation for it was.
    • The final cimeatic was the most “meh” moment ever. It felt like the beginning of the third Hobbit where Smaug is killed within ten minutes. Where was the epic music? The cheer and roar of norn? Plus, it happened way too soon. Braham was just in the Bitterfrost Frontier, why and how did he get to Hoelbrak so soon. This should have been saved for the first instance of E4, where we show up in Hoelbrak to try to convince him that it’s not time yet.
    • And about convincing him… I wanted to slap both Braham and my character for that argument of “acting without thinking” versus “thinking costs too many lives” – rushing in without a plan would just result in more cases like Braham. He should take a note from Eir, who lost her father to icebrood, but never rushed off to her death against Jormag’s minions.
      I don’t think that he’s really caring about avenging his mother against a foe who didn’t kill her (seriously what is with that kind of argument that Braham ‘must kill Jormag, for Eir’), rather I think he’s looking for a way to die. That is what his actions and personalty change tells me. But the thing is there’s no kitten good reason for him to seek death gloriously, norn or not, in this form – that is, bringing hundreds to die with you.

Overall, I’d say open world content was the best so far of S3, but the main story was the worst. Bandwagon theory expo, here we come!

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Now to respond to others…

What I can’t understand is how did he learnt of the parchment used by Aesgir and why no other Norn ever tried to get it, to our knowledge ?

It’s cool to finally get to know how Asgeir managed to knock that tooth out. I however wondered where that scroll came from and why have we never heard of it before? (or did we?)

The scroll is probably the best part of Braham. It’s a nod back to a rather obscure Priory-only dialogue in Hoelbrak:

Our superiors in the Priory have gotten it into their heads that the Grakk paintings hold a clue about the location of an ancient jotun scroll that talks about the Elder Dragons.

The Durmand Priory believes the scroll may have been in the possession of Asgeir when he came down from the mountains to this valley. It’s just a theory, though.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Talon_Bladedancer

Which matches where we found this scroll too. Right next to the cave is the hot springs with a ton of jotun monuments.

The boss figth… I don’t even know what was going on. I just saw another invincible boss and Braham asked me to get the scroll. Problem, there was no scroll. So I ran around looking for it. After a few minutes I climbed up the cliff trying to get a better view. Still no scroll. Waited another 1 or 2 minutes, suddenly all the ice elementals died and the scroll was there. I have no idea if I did anything, or if I was supposed to wait (but there is an achievement for doing it in under 5 minutes…). Maybe it was bugged, I have no idea. All I can say is, please no more invincible bosses, atleast not 3 in a row. 1 per episode is more than enough!

Boss’s charge attack kills minions. You kill minions around each pillar to remove it, scroll is in the last pillar you remove.

Terribly prepared for the fight. There’s really no way to tell until you see it happen by chance.

So it’s true. We are going to let the 2 dragons destroy each other? Why didn’t they think about it before?

If Taimi’s theory is right. We’ll see in E4. But there’s always the chance that fire doesn’t cancel out ice (which, tbh, would make sense because then every elementalist would lose their magic or explode when going from fire to water/ice).

Technically, there is no Destiny’s Edge left to join. As pointed out in Episode 1 by Rytlock, Eir was the guild leader, Logan and Zojja are both out for the foreseeable future, which leaves… him and Caithe, who has wandered off to do her own thing.

Caithe isn’t off doing her own thing and never was – no more than Rytlock was. She remained around Tarir, only leaving to see the Grove, and what’s around Tarir?

  • Best method to fight the Elder Dragons.
  • Two injured members of DE.

If anything, Caithe is more a member of DE than Rytlock is.

I find it interesting, I don’t think we brought up the new guild to Caithe… I wonder what her reaction would be.

Koda are very obviously making comparisons between fire (or the spirit of fire, or whatever) and Aurene (for those who unlocked all the dialogue with the flame tender Koda)

Kodan*

But I didn’t see this at all. They relate it more to themselves – they see their own race dying just as the spirit of fire left the world so they want to ensure that some remnants of their culture and teachings remain, just as the spirit of fire left some sacred flames in the world.

I don’t see that relation to Aurene at all.

So it’s true. We are going to let the 2 dragons destroy each other? Why didn’t they think about it before?

You missed the part where Taimi clarified that she wasn’t thinking about actually getting the dragons to fight one another, and instead thinking about using their magics against one another, right?

Someone should tell the Pact Commander because getting them to fight directly is what the PC said to Braham.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

And on another note: I noticed not a single person has carried on about Caudecus going to Janthir…

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Randulf.7614

Randulf.7614

I also noticed about the ice ships not being able to come through from the North.

I’m refraining from getting any hopes for Janthir up. Everything is being dealt with so quickly, I fear Janthir will be a one shot visit in a small map with a quick story run and then that’s it. I want Janthir, if that is a hint to a future map, to be dealt with properly and with a lot of time invested. We’ve waited since GW1 for that area.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Personally, I think that’s more of Anet putting Caudecus and Canach on the bus (again). But I find it interesting he’d go there… why? It’s never really been presented as White Mantle friendly – we don’t know if Saul went there in peace or not, or if there was anything there beyond ruins. We had gotten so little information, and with the barren desolate look on the world map that matches the ring of fire minus volcanoes, it gets one wonder what is even there.

And why would Caudecus, when interested in the throne and finally making his move, retreat so far away?

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Actually, Plants and Life being opposed is not really all that farfetched, if we imagine that ‘Plants’ was a misattribution from the beginning and it was actually ‘Life’ all along. Plants are essentially the basis for all macroscopic life, so it stands to reason that an Elder Dragon with a ‘Life’ domain might manifest it through lots of vegetation. It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen a fantasy setting where ‘plants’ and ‘life’ were commingled.

It does raise the observation that Life and Plants are very clearly separated among the Six Gods (Dwayna and Melandru respectively), but the gods come from outside Tyria where the rules may be different.

Regarding Caudecus and Janthir… Caudecus did just have what we might presume to be his most trusted elite flamebroiled by Lazarus, an unknown proportion of his forces defecting to Lazarus (although the truly devout WM wouldn’t consider it defection, of course), and his Jade Armor reactivation program effectively shut down… and depending on how credible the testimony of Canach, Marjory, Rytlock and the Pact Commander is considered to be, he’s been outed as a traitor. Before Lazarus and the Pact Commander arrived, he thought he had an army ready to sweep across Kryta and the element of surprise. Now, he’s lost a significant chunk of that army, the element of surprise, and possibly a lot of his support among the Ministry.

So I’m not surprised he’s running for it rather than attempting to enact his revolution with whatever remnant of his forces he still has.

Why Janthir? Because whatever Saul did there in the first place, it’s probably become a significant part of the White Mantle mythos. Assuming it isn’t totally hostile, it’s likely that after the WM retreated into the jungle (which, coincidentally, placed them closer to Janthir), some of them across the centuries would have had the idea of visiting the place themselves. If they came back alive and the place wasn’t inhabited, it’s entirely likely that they would have placed some stronghold there – possibly the capital of “New Kryta”, or possibly just as a place of refuge for pilgrims. This might mean that Caudecus thinks that he might be able to gather reinforcements from there.

Alternatively, he may just be thinking of it as a location from which magical artifacts have come from before, so he may be hoping that he can find something there that will tip the balance back in his favour against Queen Jennah… or against Lazarus.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Ranael.6423

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About the cancelling of death by Plant:
I was also puzzled by this until I remembered The All. On the diagram, Zhaitan’s orb is on the opposite side of the one of Mordremoth. So while Plant Vs Death sounds weird (well not in Plant Vs Zombie xD), we actually saw during the vision that the fall of Zhaitan’s orb actually provoked a big a big plant animation. The question was before if the orbs were “working” along diagonals or mirror-like and Ep3 more or less confirmed that the mirror effect is the right one… hence there will be antagonism between S and Kralkatorik.

That said, if they “cancel” (actually the right term would be balance) each other it does not really explained how the opposite dragon can absorb magic from a dead one…. Maybe Zhaitan’s fall made Mordremoth stronger than he should have been (Imean grow bigger influence) but like a chak, the antagonism would have made him “filter” death magic out of the full spectrum.

Other than that I do agree that the story was not really good. I actually have too much issues with the episodic way of presenting things because it gives a lot of focus on the story of the map and put the Meta-arc on the side, or simplify it by side dialogue (Taimi, or this time Rox). While it was somehow bearable in Season2 because we had episodes more regularly, with a 2 months gap between episodes it starts to be annoying. It’s not like there are not enough open questions that should be answered before pointing to new directions.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

Jaken.6801

I liked the severa occasions we got extra conversations with some characters.
Sadly not in the last instance.

Btw. did someon notice the green glow around Brahams face?
It doesn’t seem to be part of the outfit.

Could it be magic/dragon corruption of some sort?
It also doesn’t fit with his color sheme of organge/red, black, blue and white.

It could be some explanation, since even if we reason his behaviour it feels way too over the top for him.

Also. Was that scroll forshadowed? Recently I mean, if any?

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Posted by: Erukk.1408

Erukk.1408

I hate to say it, but when it comes to the fire and ice magic conflict; we could be using the Zhaitan approach. We extract a spectrum wave of magic from each ED, poison and/or enhance it, and then inject it into an ED baring the opposing magic in a way that they can filter it themselves safely to set off a volatile magical reaction.

Press 1 to “Victory!” everyone!

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Posted by: Squee.7829

Squee.7829

It’s definitely related to the Kodan(*). But I saw a lot of parallels to dragons and Aurene too. And I’ll explain

After unlocking all the Kodan magical torch skills, you get new dialogue into the insight of the Kodan about the spirit of the fire, as I’m sure you know. For the first 2-3 lessons you can replace the word Fire with Dragon and get pretty much the exact same story.
“To ask why? Why is there an endless cycle of death and destruction? Why do we live if we’re only to die?”
And the fire lives to eat all living things. We Kodan learned much about destruction and death from fire"
Fire made other spirits sad and Koda was not pleased…"

After this point it parallels more with Aurene and our role with her:
He (Koda) demanded that we guide the spirit, teach it where to go."
…“To the things that needed balance. Go now, teach the fire to balance the corrupted ones.”
It’s pretty much a word for word copy of the plot of this episode. Take a dragon, normally destructive and murderous, and teach it to be a force for good. Or balance or whatever.
The last two dialogue options could be (but equally likely are not) foreshadowing to Aurene and her role in things.

As a side thought, maybe Aurene is as also a part of the dragon cycle, and not a deviation from it, like we intend it to be. Like, maybe this isn’t the first time someone tried to use dragons (or dragon magic/minions) for good instead of mindless destruction.

Leader and sole member of the “Bring Penguins to Tyria” movement.

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Posted by: Mem no Fushia.7604

Mem no Fushia.7604

Two guilds two leaders two ways.

Would see interaction with peaceful centaurs in dry top to summon spirits of ventari followers murdered by caithe to confront her past and bring her out of being shadow.
Canach taking serving others as point in his pride to redempt.
Lazarus trying to change.

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