Suggestion for the new "Destiny's Edge" Story
We actually have just about as much background on the biconics as the iconics – sans Taimi. And we continue to get more.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
We actually have just about as much background on the biconics as the iconics – sans Taimi. And we continue to get more.
well.. we don’t.
Seriously …how can u say they have the same background and stories when u just learn the background from few chats with Taimi as compared to the whole personal storyline with those iconics?
well.. we don’t.
Seriously …how can u say they have the same background and stories when u just learn the background from few chats with Taimi as compared to the whole personal storyline with those iconics?
So what did Logan do before joining Destiny’s Edge?
How about Eir?
And Rytlock?
Not to mention Zojja and Caithe?
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@Astroboy: We know Kasmeer was a noble lady who’s mother died when she was young, the staff she has is a family heirloom, and her father died in prison covering her brother’s gambling debts. Thus she looked for work and found it with Marjory.
We know that Marjory’s a former Minister Guard who got fed up with the corruption and decided to become a detective, joining the Priory for contacts and sources.
We know that Rox was part of the Pick Warband and was the sole survivor of a cave-in, where the rest of her warband – pet devourer and mate included – died.
We know that Braham was born and raised in Cragstead by his father, Bjorne, and is the son of Eir Stegalkin; furthermore after his father’s death he was raised by… cannot recall their names but the old couple that have a PoI named after them in Cragstead.
Taimi we know is an orphan, and is currently the ward of Zojja and – seemingly – Vorpp.
Compare to Destiny’s Edge….
Eir we know, through Braham, was with Bjorne; her father killed by Icebrood, and iirc she’s said to have been a child when Hoelbrak was being built (making her kitten old) and a childhood friend of Krennak the Short… nothing else known beyond Edge of Destiny and GW2.
Rytlock we know he was disliked by the rest of his warband, and often served in long-distant missions away from them… nothing else known beyond Edge of Destiny and GW2.
Logan’s the descendant of Gwen Thackeray, younger brother of Dylan Thackeray, and an overall trouble maker in his youth. Worked as a guard for Ebonhawke caravans and avoided anything linked to his brother up until Dylan’s death at the end of Edge of Destiny… nothing else known beyond Edge of Destiny and GW2.
Caithe probably has the most background, being a Firstborn of the Cycle of the Night, lover of Faolain, amongst the first two sylvari (other being Faolain) to venture outside of Caledon Forest; saw the Nightmare but resisted it when Faolain didn’t; Wyld Hunt to kill Zhaitan and worked hard, impassively, to unite forces to fight the Elder Dragons.
Zojja has perhaps the least backstory. For all we know, is that she was Snaff’s apprentice.
And do note I’m over simplifying them all. It’s fairly equal all around.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
So what did Logan do before joining Destiny’s Edge?
How about Eir?
And Rytlock?
Not to mention Zojja and Caithe?
^ that. We really know next to nothing about the history of any of the “iconics” before they joined Destiny’s Edge. We didn’t even know Eir had had a son until he showed up out of the blue demanding help.
By contrast, we know most of the major life events in each of the members of our new group, and that background is expanded every patch. Braham is the son of two legends, who grew up in Cragstead and is just now leaving it to make his own. Rox was part of a warband of miners that was killed in a cave-in, and is now trying to join the prestigious Stone warband, for reasons that certain leaks say we’ll discover in the next patch. Marjory left an unhappy home young to join the Ministry Guard, left when they murdered a witness to keep him from talking, and became a detective, joining the Durmand Priory to gain access to their knowledge. Kasmeer was a happy young noble until recently, when her father tried to cover for her brother’s unpaid gambling debts; her father’s property, including everything Kasmeer had, was claimed by the Ministry and the man himself thrown in debtors prison, where he was stabbed to death.
Now the iconics… Logan left Divinity’s Reach to become a mercenary, implied to have something to do with his brother being both a Seraph and an insufferable kitten. Rytlock distanced himself from his warband because… well, we don’t know. He obtained Sohothin by… actually, we don’t know either. Eir was a sculptress whose father was killed by icebrood. She found Garm, a dire wolf, which we never see any other examples of, but we don’t know how, when, or where. She is said to be a talented tactician, but if she developed those skills, we don’t know how. Zojja is easy- graduate of the College of Synergetics apprenticed to a senior golemancer- but we know nothing about Snaff’s history, who was on the older side when Destiny’s Edge formed. Caithe we know dreamed of facing Zhaitan, and was one of two firstborn who traveled the world, along with Faolain; but we don’t know what they saw that caused Faolain to turn to Nightmare, we don’t know what happened between that event and when Faolain joined the Nightmare Court, and for that matter we don’t know what Caithe did before that with Faolain or after that without her, except that at some point she saw Zhaitan in person.
TL;DR: Destiny’s Edge is practically a roaming pack of enigma. The new biconics are pretty well fleshed out, even if their history isn’t as exceptional as DE’s is hinted to be.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
Hey… Don’t twist the meaning of background stories and even claim that the new char. have even more in-deep polishment and contents … Personal Story writers should be crying right now …
Why Ignore the whole personal stories for characters developments and a book called “Edge of Destiny” for the epic background stories ( which are stories before the in-game stories ) …
Now u get the background stories from * a few text-based chats or GW2 site’s stories*, and you are convinced this is even better and much deeper than the complete personal story … Even if everyone reads the official site’s stories/streams ( which most ppl don’t and so they don’t exactly know who they are, especially Taimi ).
do u really think this is something more rigid then the whole story-line of you as a hero of your hometown and to the Defeat of Zhaitan? They grow and interact with you all along your very own stories, it feels like an old friend of you, but then, suddenly a random guy pump up, spoon-fed you with some ‘facts’ for you to learn about him, you have to learn about it ( which most of the info is not even from the game itself but a post from the official site, the most awkward one being Scarlet herself ), … Have u take a moment to consider is this really a good way to introduce a characters, or does this way of introduction make sense ?
All I suggest is to add some side-stories in-game for the char. development of these characters, but all the replies focus on saying these new char have even more contents than DE’s members … I am really surprise some people think this way… seriously …
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and they all have very little or none background at all :/
That is the portion of your original post that we were responding to. It seems to me like your gripe isn’t with their background, which is uncontestedly fuller than that of Destiny’s Edge, but with their implementation- a valid complaint, but one too late to fix. Mind you, the Destiny’s Edge comparison is still odd- we only know about their backstory from a huge info dump outside of the main game that we had to pay for. In-game, we only get little hints in dialogue boxes that your party will hate you for taking the time to read, if you even think to check. (Have you been in that situation? Lost valuable exposition on your past predicaments? Have a shameless plug of Jelle’s Archivist project, coming often to your local youtube!)
As to your suggestion- personally, I would have preferred to learn about the biconics’ histories by visiting them in the special instances ANet bothered to set up for them during the patches when they aren’t hip-deep in the main plot, but unfortunately, aside from a handful of scenes between Ophelia and Braham that acted as if we weren’t present, their home instances are as underutilized as our own. But, alas, it seems for the most part like it is too late for that.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
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and they all have very little or none background at all :/
That is the portion of your original post that we were responding to. It seems to me like your gripe isn’t with their background, which is uncontestedly fuller than that of Destiny’s Edge, but with their implementation- a valid complaint, but one too late to fix. Mind you, the Destiny’s Edge comparison is still odd- we only know about their backstory from a huge info dump outside of the main game that we had to pay for. In-game, we only get little hints in dialogue boxes that your party will hate you for taking the time to read, if you even think to check. (Have you been in that situation? Lost valuable exposition on your past predicaments? Have a shameless plug of Jelle’s Archivist project, coming often to your local youtube!)
As to your suggestion- personally, I would have preferred to learn about the biconics’ histories by visiting them in the special instances ANet bothered to set up for them during the patches when they aren’t hip-deep in the main plot, but unfortunately, aside from a handful of scenes between Ophelia and Braham that acted as if we weren’t present, their home instances are as underutilized as our own. But, alas, it seems for the most part like it is too late for that.
First, I never meet people that go through story dungeon and urge you to skip the animation
Second, Wiki summarize the Edge of Destiny’s story already
Third, not only the background story, but the personal stories’ stories of the DE’s member makes DE’s member content much richer and ‘storylover-friendly’, I kept on saying already
Which the new ‘heroes’ have a little or none of the above, and that’s exactly what they lack of, special instances you said, or side-stories, expansions or even a fiction is much needed.
Guild Wars 2 General Article: Evaluating the Living Story
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/8276/page/2
His review pretty much pin point the problem of Scarlet and some problem with the biconics as well
Quotes:
It seems like half the GW2 fan base considers her (He’s referring to Scarlet) a delightfully unpredictable scamp while the other half considers her the ultimate deus ex machina, able to break lore and do whatever she wants because the devs say so
_Scarlet Briar. I don’t mind the notion of a Joker-esque “crazy villain,” but she needs a reason for her craziness and why she does what she does. Just doing stuff “because she’s crazy” gets old after a while. In the past few updates, we’ve finally started to glimpse her true purpose, but clues could have been dropped much earlier so players wouldn’t have gotten bored as quickly with her escapades.
Speaking of the length… keep in mind we’ve been on this story arc for 14 months, across 25 (as of Tuesday) updates.That’s a long time to try and hold people’s attention, and a long time to keep all your story elements in place and working toward a conclusion. Does anyone have any more than vague memories of when the Charr and Norn were driven out by the Molten Alliance a year ago? I’d shorten the length of the next Living Story, maybe letting it just run eight or nine months, to the end of the year._
The reason for her craziness could be revealed soon, but still, is 14 months of frustration and the randomness of these events & characters appearances really makes the story good? Her connections with all the antagonist parties makes sense because dev, after >1year, say so?
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Ah, but that’s just the thing. The story of the dungeons isn’t in the animations- if you want it, you have to manually select the NPC outside of the cutscenes and check back frequently, which is difficult to do when your team is charging ahead to the next boss, often with the NPC in tow. The cutscenes are just a bare-bones, or occasionally bare-marrow, outline. But I digress.
Hm… I see your point. Your complaint is that they don’t have A.) any real interaction with the player on a character-to-character level, and B.) don’t really exist as heroes outside of the main Living World storyline. Is that accurate? I would agree with both, and the way I see it, with this arc coming to an end tomorrow, the lull before the next one kicks off would be the perfect time for the devs to fill in that kind of content.
As for Scarlet, I really don’t see anything there that applies to the biconics, but the mismanagement of her character is certainly a leading factor in the generated distaste towards the Living Story as a whole, and as you were saying, if I understand you right, being tied so exclusively into Scarlet’s story has cost the biconics valuable opportunities to really come into their own. Again, hopefully with her dying (fingers crossed) next patch, that issue will shortly resolve itself.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.