Sylvari and Elder Dragons
The thing is, as far as we can tell, Mordremoth never corrupted Sylvari that we see, he merely spoke into their minds and tried to influence their actions. We believe this because Dragon minions cannot escape the will of their master, but we see one Mordrem Guard that reverts after being far enough away that he cannot hear the call anymore. I personally believe that Sylvari incorruptability comes from some other currently unknown source, likely whatever freed a the Pale Tree from Mordremoth’s grasp.
The thing is, as far as we can tell, Mordremoth never corrupted Sylvari that we see, he merely spoke into their minds and tried to influence their actions. We believe this because Dragon minions cannot escape the will of their master, but we see one Mordrem Guard that reverts after being far enough away that he cannot hear the call anymore. I personally believe that Sylvari incorruptability comes from some other currently unknown source, likely whatever freed a the Pale Tree from Mordremoth’s grasp.
Sylvari are not Corrupted and cannot be corrupted, they are Dragon Minions as stated in game and by Devs, they were created as Dragon Minions so there is nothing to corrupt. As stated in This Link
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The thing is, as far as we can tell, Mordremoth never corrupted Sylvari that we see, he merely spoke into their minds and tried to influence their actions. We believe this because Dragon minions cannot escape the will of their master, but we see one Mordrem Guard that reverts after being far enough away that he cannot hear the call anymore. I personally believe that Sylvari incorruptability comes from some other currently unknown source, likely whatever freed a the Pale Tree from Mordremoth’s grasp.
Sylvari are not Corrupted and cannot be corrupted, they are Dragon Minions as stated in game and by Devs, they were created as Dragon Minions so there is nothing to corrupt. As stated in This Link
Corruption is a weird term, even for dragon minions. In most cases, corruptions refer to the change of a non-dragon minion to one. In case of the sylvari, they can’t be corrupted because they’re already dragon minions. However, to entirely dismiss corruption isn’t right either. Sylvari are born from a blighting tree so disconnected from mordremoth it cant be called a blighting tree anymore. Mordremoth has to ‘reclaim’ the sylvari born from this tree again, which he does by whispering to to them, and plants memories that sylvari have trouble seperating from their own. The tablet of ventari contains rules which gives sylvari a lifestyle that helps the, recognize when memories are their own or mordremoths. Mordremoths memories are a violent contradiction to the tablet. Those with the nightmare have a harder time resisting the call, but have an alterternative that makes them hate the ilk of mordremoth and pale tree alike. So I guess the soundless are the most vulnerable to the call.
We learned from an achievement mordrem guard that theres a consensus between corruption and free will. Rather than being a puppet controlled against your will, your will gets changed so you dont even fight it. You need strong discipline like canach to resist the call from the start. Every time you give in a little, it becomes harder to continue to resist, and after a while youve relaxed too much and the call consumes you.
In short, there’s no corruption like other elder dragons, but theres a form of mental corruption, which may actually be a form of restoration. If you think about it, the sylvari is the anomaly, and the mordrem guard is a cure.
The thing is, as far as we can tell, Mordremoth never corrupted Sylvari that we see, he merely spoke into their minds and tried to influence their actions. We believe this because Dragon minions cannot escape the will of their master, but we see one Mordrem Guard that reverts after being far enough away that he cannot hear the call anymore. I personally believe that Sylvari incorruptability comes from some other currently unknown source, likely whatever freed a the Pale Tree from Mordremoth’s grasp.
Sylvari are not Corrupted and cannot be corrupted, they are Dragon Minions as stated in game and by Devs, they were created as Dragon Minions so there is nothing to corrupt. As stated in This Link
Just because one is corrupted doesn’t mean that another corruption cannot be laid on you, as is seen in CoE. We can fight all night long about whether that is proof that dragon minions can be corrupted multiple times or not, but what we cannot deny is that a being can have multiple layers of Dragon corruption on it without dying, this is not true with the Sylvari. This is why I believe that there is something more to the Pale Tree’s freedom from Mordremoth and the Sylvari’s capability to fight his call. Whether you believe it’s the Dream, or a Forgotten Cleansing Ritual, or something beyond all that, who knows.
BlaqueFyre.5678Sylvari are not Corrupted and cannot be corrupted, they are Dragon Minions as stated in game and by Devs, they were created as Dragon Minions so there is nothing to corrupt. As stated in This Link
Sylvari are not corrupted (that’s the only true thing), but sylvari can be corrupted, that’s what Mordrem Guards are: sylvari corrupted by Mordremoth, influenced in the minds and transfigured in the body by the Dragon (the thick bark and the growth in size). Just Mordremoth was able to corrupted them because it shared a connection to the Dream of Dreams with the sylvari (but also because sylvari are plants afterall).
Dragon minions are, by definition, former entities corrupted (both in the body and the mind) by a respective Dragon.
Sylvari are indeed created (and not by Mordremoth in my personal view, one of the reasons being that sylvari are still spawning after Mordremoth’s death), but they’re not dragon minions until corrupted. In the end, that link states that “sylvari were created to be dragon minions”, and not that, as you say, “sylvari were created as dragon minions”, that’s very different, and it implies that a corruption is needed in order to turn them.
“My research has found a thread between magic and the mind. The two are linked.”
— Snaff
— Snaff
eNeRgOo.5463First of all – Why there are vines in Bitterfrost Frontier that are alive pumping their juice and magic? It was stated in Heart of Thorns that vines are Mordremoth’s body and when it was killed vines become lifeless like those we can see in Salvation Pass. Could it be Mordremoth trying to rebirth?
It definitely isn’t Mordremoth, it is gone for good. Given that Jormag, but also Primordus (and possibly even the other two remaining Dragons, but we don’t know about them), absorbed some of Mordremoth’s plant magic, I guess the “Elder Ice Dragon” is able to use it as Mordremoth did, in addition to “mixing” said magic to that of its “original” minions. The Vines are referred to as Mordremoth’s body because it generated them and it was directly “guiding” these plant materials with its own mind, hence why they died with it, unlike dragon minions who have their own separate minds.
eNeRgOo.5463Since Jormag and Primordus got Mordremoth’s power and they can create vine-touched minions plus Jormag seems to have control over vines that are in Bitterfrost Frontier – Are sylvari still immune to dragon’s corruption?
We don’t really have enough details or examples to answer this, but I’ll try:
Sylvari are plants (possibly made from plant magic), this is one of the reasons why Mordremoth was easily able to influence their minds, its “sphere of influence” was plant after all, but the main reason is that they shared a connection to the Dream of Dreams.
Sylvari’s uncorruptible nature stems from their connection to the Dream of Dreams, their minds are protected, aided in resisting corruption. Again, Mordremoth had somewhat of an upper hand, on one side because sylvari are plants, but mainly because it had a connection to the Dream of Dreams itself: other Dragons do not have such a link so it’d be very difficult, if not impossible, for other Dragons to corrupt sylvari: Zhaitan’s magic simply killed them, since the Dragon wasn’t able to enter their mind and corrupt them.
On an unrelated note, the “sphere of influence” isn’t even a proper thing, but it’s just a sign that a powerful entity possesses an immense amount of a particular magical aspect and is able to control minor entities affected (imbued) by it, if it wants to. It’s not like Mordremoth’s “sphere of influence” got divided evenly (or unevenly) amongst other powerful entities: it was its magic that got spread out all over Tyria (and possibly not just plant magic, since the Dragons also eat all the magical aspects that flow through the ley lines). So, both Primordus and Jormag absorbed some plant magic, and not “a quarter of the influence” or “a sixth of the influence”.
eNeRgOo.5463When Zhaitan was active – there were rumours that Sylvari are immune to it’s corruption because they’re dragon race, and dragons cannot corrupt other dragons minions, but what about situation we have now?
Neither Jormag nor Primordus corrupted existing dragon minions, they still created their own, even the new ones imbued with “new” magics. For now, we don’t know if there are other ways to “liberate” a dragon minion’s mind other than the Forgotten’s ritual (and while we know why it works, we don’t know the details on how it works); so dragon minions “switching sides” is not a thing for now.
With this, however, I’m not implying that sylvari are dragon minions, since they are not born influenced by Mordremoth.
“My research has found a thread between magic and the mind. The two are linked.”
— Snaff
— Snaff
Narcemus.1348Just because one is corrupted doesn’t mean that another corruption cannot be laid on you, as is seen in CoE.
Kudu’s monster (or Subject Alpha, and even Kudu himself) didn’t respond to any Dragon as far as we know, it was simply imbued with those magical aspects. Possibly it was intended to respond to Kudu, but more likely it was a crazed abomination, unresponsive (a thing that Subject Alpha definitely was).
Narcemus.1348This is why I believe that there is something more to the Pale Tree’s freedom from Mordremoth and the Sylvari’s capability to fight his call. Whether you believe it’s the Dream, or a Forgotten Cleansing Ritual, or something beyond all that, who knows.
Thing is that the Dream of Dreams is a fact, and we can “speculate” on that, while there is no “proof” of a cleansing ritual happening with the seeds, and nothing implies that the seeds were corrupted to begin with.
“My research has found a thread between magic and the mind. The two are linked.”
— Snaff
— Snaff
The dream of dreams may be a fact, but we know of no proof that states that the dream can prevent or reverse corruption. It is just as much of a far flung theory as any of the others, especially if the Sylvari are Dragon minions like most lore seems to state.