Guild Wars 2

If i remember good, in sylvari story we are finding dude, who wasnt from Pale Tree, what happend to him, is possible that Mordemorth is burred under another Pale Tree, as we say about Grove Pale Tree?

We have no idea what happened to him and nothing new has been said about Malyck or his tree.

Oh and a theory that’s going on around is that Caithe killed him and that’s her awful secret that Scarlet knew.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Malyck

We really don’t know a lot, you can read about the personal story involving him on the wiki but in the end he goes away to find his own tree. Strong possibility that we might see him soon though, since we’re possibly close to where he’s tree might be (I think).

zerohunter.3196:

If i remember good, in sylvari story we are finding dude, who wasnt from Pale Tree, what happend to him, is possible that Mordemorth is burred under another Pale Tree, as we say about Grove Pale Tree?

That would be interesting to the say the least. Making the Sylvari’s Wyld Hunt foreshadowing because it’s obvious that Zhaitan wasn’t being referenced. Seeing as the model is covered in branches and roots as opposed to rotting flesh and Risen minions. Perhaps Mord was trying to contact the player but being that the Pale Tree was secretly hiding “something”, his influence couldn’t properly reach the player. Instead, the player is left going “I saw something” after promptly defeating it.

So its almost sure now, that trees are created by dragons sleeping beneath them, so there is good dragon under Pale Tree, and another tree above Mordemorth, and Sylvari are not corrupted and thats dragons failure, or they are gonna trigger, like Cylon’s FF.

zerohunter.3196:

So its almost sure now, that trees are created by dragons sleeping beneath them, so there is good dragon under Pale Tree, and another tree above Mordemorth, and Sylvari are not corrupted and thats dragons failure, or they are gonna trigger, like Cylon’s FF.

While I’m not comfortable yet with the idea that Sylvari are created by all dragons I do think the sleeper cell-like Cylons is a very close comparison. Even though I wasn’t a fan of the series, the concept does share similar characteristics if indeed this is true.

zerohunter.3196:

So its almost sure now, that trees are created by dragons sleeping beneath them, so there is good dragon under Pale Tree, and another tree above Mordemorth, and Sylvari are not corrupted and thats dragons failure, or they are gonna trigger, like Cylon’s FF.

It’s not almost sure. We haven’t gotten any additional info about slyvari this season yet, and nothing at all to suggest there is a dragon under a tree anywhere.

Fluffball.8307:

zerohunter.3196:

So its almost sure now, that trees are created by dragons sleeping beneath them, so there is good dragon under Pale Tree, and another tree above Mordemorth, and Sylvari are not corrupted and thats dragons failure, or they are gonna trigger, like Cylon’s FF.

It’s not almost sure. We haven’t gotten any additional info about slyvari this season yet, and nothing at all to suggest there is a dragon under a tree anywhere.

But with the current episode ending on a: lets go visit the Pale Tree, we might be getting a bit more info… That’s actually what’s got me most excited. Although judging from the trailer it doesn’t look like we’re going to get to the Pale Tree in the next episode

Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

DraconicDak.9340:

Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.

It doesn’t, yet, but I don’t think the dragon champion theory explains those questions either. Not without making a lot of presumptions about the cave, the seeds, and the undescribed monsters guarding it.

I’m still open to the idea, if it occurs, I just like the fit of the “world tree” theory more with how the Living Story is going.

My guess is that the pale tree and the sylvari are minions of the jungle dragon. But the pale tree was able to break free from it like poor Glinth did. I guess she use the dream to free the sylvari from the dragon. The Nightmare Court are sylvari who were touched by the dragon and became the original dragon minions. That’s why they could not be saved. And that would be an answear to the question, why they could not be corrupted by other dragons.

My other theorie is that the sylvari and the pale tree are the answear of Tyria itself to the dragons. But this only based on what i saw in the Eternal Alchemy.

Ronin.7381:

DraconicDak.9340:

Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.

Replace ‘seed’ with ‘baby’ or ‘egg’, and all of those supposed mysteries suddenly explain themselves without dragon involvement. The seed came from a previous generation. It was in the cave because it was there for safekeeping. The guardians are part of the previous generation and are guarding it.

The Pale Tree is like the queen of an ant or bee hive. The seeds were probably the seeds of the Pale Tree’s own mother, and the guardians were set by that parent to protect the seeds until the time was right, and then to disperse and plant them. It’s probably a good bet that when it comes time for the Pale Tree to grow more Pale Tree seeds of her own, that she will also grow long-lived guardian creatures for them.

The only mystery this leaves is the question of why the species has been absent (apart from such seed caches) for so long – but some plant species are like that, dropping seeds that can remain viable for years or centuries waiting for the right conditions to sprout.

draxynnic.3719:

Ronin.7381:

DraconicDak.9340:

Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.

Replace ‘seed’ with ‘baby’ or ‘egg’, and all of those supposed mysteries suddenly explain themselves without dragon involvement.

No they don’t. They just lend to further question of who ordered the Guardians to be there and who the “mother” was – who “mothered” the “mother” and so on. Which could just as much be explained that it was Mordremoth trying to do what Primordus does with the Destroyers, growing its own and kept it for safe keeping in the hopes nothing would interfere – which obviously happens anyways.

Something stands out to me during the Malyck storyline.

First, Malyck can’t see the dream, and the Pale Tree Sylvari can’t see “his” dream. However, during the Sylvari living story, we visit a Sylvari Seer who is very adept at viewing the dream. She says this to Malyck:

" A distant shore—and darkness. A root, a cave…you. You are the seed. What Ronan knew and never told still lingers in the Dream."

Now, how would Malyck, the seed in a dark cave, linger in the dream? When would the dream have witnessed a seed in a dark cave?

Perhaps Malyck was the same generation as the pale tree, but he hatched from the seed instead of being buried at the nexus of a bunch of ley lines?

Ronin.7381:

draxynnic.3719:

Ronin.7381:

DraconicDak.9340:

Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.

Replace ‘seed’ with ‘baby’ or ‘egg’, and all of those supposed mysteries suddenly explain themselves without dragon involvement.

No they don’t. They just lend to further question of who ordered the Guardians to be there and who the “mother” was – who “mothered” the “mother” and so on. Which could just as much be explained that it was Mordremoth trying to do what Primordus does with the Destroyers, growing its own and kept it for safe keeping in the hopes nothing would interfere – which obviously happens anyways.

A previous generation. We don’t need to resort to intelligent design here. There’s no need for any more complicated explanation than that Ronan basically raided a creche. Or an orphanage.

draxynnic.3719:

A previous generation. We don’t need to resort to intelligent design here. There’s no need for any more complicated explanation than that Ronan basically raided a creche. Or an orphanage.

That could be possible. Some seeds need to meet all sorts of different conditions to be able to germinate. The Pale Tree seeds might need the same conditions the Elder Dragons need to be able to sprout/wake up. Aka, they need a magically rich environment.

draxynnic.3719:

Ronin.7381:

draxynnic.3719:

Ronin.7381:

DraconicDak.9340:

Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.

Replace ‘seed’ with ‘baby’ or ‘egg’, and all of those supposed mysteries suddenly explain themselves without dragon involvement.

No they don’t. They just lend to further question of who ordered the Guardians to be there and who the “mother” was – who “mothered” the “mother” and so on. Which could just as much be explained that it was Mordremoth trying to do what Primordus does with the Destroyers, growing its own and kept it for safe keeping in the hopes nothing would interfere – which obviously happens anyways.

A previous generation. We don’t need to resort to intelligent design here. There’s no need for any more complicated explanation than that Ronan basically raided a creche. Or an orphanage.

What previous generation? I want answers, not a blatant “I don’t know” guised as a response. It could all just as much be simplified down to, Mordremoth is an Elder Dragon of earth and fauna – fauna on roids – creates seeds to start the process in forging an army. A man stumbles inside, takes a seed and we end up with the sylvari 250+ years later. Voila, simple and hardly complicated at all.

Indeed, both theories make as much use of the same limited evidence.

There simply isn’t enough evidence currently to say that one is definitely correct. Just about everything concerning the Pale Tree’s origins is vague mystery.

Another thing. Where is the cave?

DraconicDak.9340:

Indeed, both theories make as much use of the same limited evidence.

There simply isn’t enough evidence currently to say that one is definitely correct. Just about everything concerning the Pale Tree’s origins is vague mystery.

Exactly. The known part of the origin of the Pale Tree’s seed has multiple possible explanations, and taken in isolation none are better than the others at this point.

As I said, if we were talking about a mystical baby rather than a mystical seed, and someone talked about wandering into a cave, picking up a baby, and having to escape enraged guardians to escape, the obvious conclusion would be that the ‘monstrous guardians’ were the baby’s parents, siblings, or other family members. In this case, obviously the Pale Tree is different to the guardians and so the guardians weren’t the parents... but they could have been siblings, left by the Pale Tree’s mother to look after the seeds. No special origins required, just part of the natural life-cycle of a unique species. This doesn’t prevent the possibility of special origins, just that there is no need to invoke an extreme and controversial (or, if you prefer, ‘daring’) theory to explain the observations so far.

The thing is, most of the ‘sylvari are dragon minions’ theory’s evidence was either based on assumptions that have later been shown to be flawed, or they’re similar cases of “an observation of something that could be explained by the theory even though there are other explanations that are at least as viable -> Half-Life 3Theory confirmed!”

Fajsz.1267:

My guess is that the pale tree and the sylvari are minions of the jungle dragon. But the pale tree was able to break free from it like poor Glinth did.

She didn’t break free so much as she was broken free. The question then becomes who broke the Pale Tree free?

Fajsz.1267:

My other theorie is that the sylvari and the pale tree are the answear of Tyria itself to the dragons. But this only based on what i saw in the Eternal Alchemy.

Possible, with the ED cycle taking place every 10,000 years a lot of knowledge has been lost. You would probably have expected some of the dwarves or jotun to have some vague rumors of plant people standing with them against the EDs though.

Ronin.7381:

who “mothered” the “mother” and so on.

A wizard did it, with magic! Eh no one knows…

Rukh.9287:

Now, how would Malyck, the seed in a dark cave, linger in the dream? When would the dream have witnessed a seed in a dark cave?

It’s possible that the dream precedes the existence of the Sylvari and has the ability (like to the mists) to capture, record and represent the past.

Erukk.1408:

From what we know of the EDs their awakening occurs when they’re hungry. They can be woken up sooner (although the means seems to vary) but for the most part they sleep until the magic tank is empty and then they wake up.

Rukh.9287:

Another thing. Where is the cave?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ronan

Ronan was a member of the shining blades during the Krytan civil war, given the nature of civil wars (they tend to take place in the civilisation that’s civil warring) somewhere in or around Kryta (he did wander off a bit though but he couldn’t have gone too far). That’s as far as I know in anycase.

CureForLiving.5360:

From what we know of the EDs their awakening occurs when they’re hungry. They can be woken up sooner (although the means seems to vary) but for the most part they sleep until the magic tank is empty and then they wake up.

They wake up because they are hungry, but they are hungry because they exuded most of the magic back into Tyria. Those creating a magically rich environment.

Angel McCoy:

Magic is the lifeblood of Tyria. The entire world is infused with it, and it flows through everything via ley lines that criss-cross the planet.
The natural role of the dragons is to keep this magic balanced. From time to time, in the long history of the world, the dragons have awoken and begun to draw the world’s magic into themselves, reducing the level of magic flowing through the ley lines.

When the dragons have consumed enough and thus reduced the world to a low level of magic, they go back to sleep. From then on, the magic leaks from them, back into the world at a reasonable rate. Eventually, it builds up in the world again, and the dragons awaken again to tip the teeter-totter back in the other direction.

I’m going to work under the theory that there are many members of the sylvari race, and not just from this tree. We never did explore too deeply into the Maguuma Jungle, ending only at around the Henge of Denravi or Velaxi Falls. It’s possible that, deeper into the jungle, there is/was another “Pale Tree” that grew sylvari, and a seed is the way they start a new colony far away from the mother tree. Now, it’s possible something went wrong, or that the original sylvari came under some attack, and that’s why the seed was hidden in the cave, and the Dreams are not connected.

If this season’s story will keep diving deeper into the jungle, I bet we’re going to meet Malyck or his people before too long. Then, hopefully, we’ll get some answers about these verdant interlopers.

There have been theories, in fact, that some of the various plant monsters in GW1 might have been a previous generation of sylvari from one or more trees that didn’t base them off humans.