Guild Wars 2

Hi guys and girls.

Sorry just HAD to post this now.

By whom was The Dominion of Winds wall built?

I was in LA exploring it with a new alt and noticed that the wall near Diverse Ledges Waypoint has the same design and architecture as the wall found in Caledon forest that surrounds The Dominion of Winds.

I remember there used to be a exit/entrance to LA from Kessex Hills at that wall, (at least i think i remember ) but never realized it looks exactly the same.

Any ideas why this would be? Or do you think its an oversight?

EDIT : I will add some screens when I get home. At work at the moment and kind of bored.

EDIT 2 : Just checked the LA interactive map on the wiki. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lion%27s_Arch

At a stretch it COULD be a border to the Dominion of Winds… Although now I am doubting there was ever an exit there in game.

The wall is indeed the border of the Dominion of Winds The wall cannot only be seen in Lion’s arch and Caledon forest but also in Kessex hills running all around the Dominion.

I suppose it was build by the Tengu, who’ve somewhat secluded themselves from the outside world and don’t allow strangers within their walls.

Not sure what you mean by exit/entrance to LA from kessex hills though, you were never able to enter LA from Kessex.

@dsslive

Yeah, there was never an entrance.
Anyway, that border really is quite the stretch though, but I guess that be the limitation of these square maps.

I find it kind of interesting that LA would be literally be right next to DoW (with a connection via the wall), were there close relations between the 2 before the Rising of Orr?

According to the wiki,
The Tengu built their wall shortly after 1219 AE – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tengu

• 1219 AE was the year of Zhaitan’s awakening – and the great Tsunami which destroyed the original LA, which was the capitol of Kryta. Also, the Tengu gather and found the Dominion of Winds.
• 1230 AE – LA starts being populated once more by corsairs and pirates.

To answer your question, before 1219 the Tengu were all over the world and LA was not the same pirate haven as it is now.
After 1219, the Tengu disappeared from Tyria and Cantha and they founded the Dominion of Winds.
By the time LA was rebuilt, my guess is they had already finished secluding themselves. From that point on, nothing much happened in terms of international relations!

SO I guess modern LA is just accidentally(EDIT : Incidentally more appropriate) close to DoW then.

Thanks!

Technically, the Shuttered Gate is NOT the border of Dominion of Winds. If it were, then Wizard’s Fief and Garrenhoff would be locked in, but it’s an active port town.

In Kessex Hills, you can see the Dominion of Winds’ wall head south just before Garrenhoff.

Prior to the Battle for LA, there were some NPC merchants not far from The Shuttered Gate who stated the tengu were blocking their trade route. If that gate was there for the past century, then those merchants wouldn’t have even thought of going that way. That gate is clearly a recent addition.

I think it’s unbelievable Kryta allowed this.

Imagine a foreign power appearing on US shores, building a massive wall around some coastal state, and stating that any US citizen that approaches their own home will be shot at. It’s absolutely preposterous.

If I was in control of Kryta, I’d get rid of that weak “queen” and wage war on the birdmen until we get our land back.

I would have been we cool with it if they at least asked Kryta for shelter and protection. But no, they simply claimed that (significant) part of Kryta and threaten violence to anyone who wants to go there. That’s an act of war.

I don`t mind the part they got.
Looking at the map and how fast we traveled through it in GW1 there was nothing much of significant meaning (maybe the ruins?) there.

Let them have the undead, White Mantle etc. who were running around there. (though as i mentioned, my memory is a bit blurry for that area)

http://thatshaman.blogspot.de/p/historical-guide.html

How does the settling of the Tengu correlate with other historical events at that time?

If it was at a time with weak human presence than there is really no reason for them to not claim the lands.

@Mental: Whoever said that the tengu forced it? Maybe they paid Kryta for the land, or made some other kind of agreement.

At the time they established the Dominion of Winds proper, Lion’s Arch was a fledgling state and Kryta had bigger concerns (establishing DR, the establishment of LA, re-establishing farmlands due to the floods, etc.). With their apparently recent expansion into what was western D’Alessio Seaboard, they could easily have made agreements with either Kryta or LA.

At the time of the Dominion’s establishment, Jennah didn’t even exist. The one in charge was King Baede, who allowed the establishment of Lion’s Arch as a separate nation due to the Dead Ship incursion – basically, he allowed someone else to take the brunt of the damage and responsibility of keeping Elder Dragon hordes at bay. The tengu could have been allowed for the same reason.

Your comparison to the US is poor at best. Kryta had just taken major damage and still had many enemies. The two groups they let grow put a force between Kryta and Kryta’s newest (and potentially greatest) enemy: Zhaitan.

So that’d be like say, someone nuked the five most populated cities of the US + the White House, though the president and congress survived, and someone took Alaska after it had been abandoned for decades (but hospitable); the nukes came from Russia. The people who took Alaska are not only now in between the recovering US and the attackers, but enemies of the attackers as well.

Would you really put in forces to retake Alaska, or would you let Alaska take any brunt of Russia’s attack?

And your comment of “their own home” is false. All that remained on Sanctum Cay even by GW1’s time was an abandoned monastery. It was a deserted island.

Mental Paradox.3845:

I think it’s unbelievable Kryta allowed this.

Imagine a foreign power appearing on US shores, building a massive wall around some coastal state, and stating that any US citizen that approaches their own home will be shot at. It’s absolutely preposterous.

It could never happen in anywhere like Cuba either could it, right?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

So that’d be like say, someone nuked the five most populated cities of the US + the White House, though the president and congress survived, and someone took Alaska after it had been abandoned for decades (but hospitable); the nukes came from Russia. The people who took Alaska are not only now in between the recovering US and the attackers, but enemies of the attackers as well.

Next Michael Bay film, to be written by Tom Clancy, confirmed.
Some very interesting and realistic theories in your post there Konig. Would make for a nice deep and grounded backstory on the Tengu’s (re)rise in Tyria.

What if the Tengu built the wall to defend Baede’s Kryta, not to defend their own (we haven’t seen any walls on the other side, have we?). E.g. like part of a trade agreement for the land they’re now in posession of. Of course, that purpose may have changed by now though.

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

Titus.4285:

What if the Tengu built the wall to defend Baede’s Kryta, not to defend their own (we haven’t seen any walls on the other side, have we?). E.g. like part of a trade agreement for the land they’re now in posession of. Of course, that purpose may have changed by now though.

Novel maps show that the Dominion of Winds wall is all encircling.

Mental Paradox.3845:

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

You call it backbone.

I call it stupidity.

Leave yourself a buffer for when kitten hits the fan. Always. Don’t weaken yourself before the stronger enemy by fighting a weaker enemy. If you read Sea of Sorrows, Prince Edair attempted to do exactly what you suggested but with Lion’s Arch, and what happened? Oh yes, his entire fleet got wiped out by the Risen.

Lion’s Arch didn’t have that big kitten wall the tengu had either.

King Baede was the smart one by letting Lion’s Arch go, letting them take the brunt of all the attacks. But at the same time he infiltrated their leadership twice. He was a manipulative kitten who saw the benefit in letting go of a little land to keep an enemy off his people’s backs.

What’s more important? A city, or your nation’s citizens’ lives? An island no one cared for, or your nation’s citizens’ lives?

Mental Paradox.3845:

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

Killing people on principle along racial lines? Can’t you see how well that works for the centaurs, dredge, and krait? Socially and technologically isolated, fighting a war on too many fronts to possibly be winnable, and at the mercy of roving adventurers swooping by at all times of the day and night to disrupt your operations and take a crack at assassinating your leader.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Titus.4285:

What if the Tengu built the wall to defend Baede’s Kryta, not to defend their own (we haven’t seen any walls on the other side, have we?). E.g. like part of a trade agreement for the land they’re now in posession of. Of course, that purpose may have changed by now though.

Novel maps show that the Dominion of Winds wall is all encircling.

Mental Paradox.3845:

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

You call it backbone.

I call it stupidity.

Leave yourself a buffer for when kitten hits the fan. Always. Don’t weaken yourself before the stronger enemy by fighting a weaker enemy. If you read Sea of Sorrows, Prince Edair attempted to do exactly what you suggested but with Lion’s Arch, and what happened? Oh yes, his entire fleet got wiped out by the Risen.

Lion’s Arch didn’t have that big kitten wall the tengu had either.

LA won that war thanks to the Risen. Zhaitan’s defeated now. Scarlet weakened LA critically. Remember the guard that says they don’t even have enough personell for one shift? How could they possibly resist the entire Krytan army?

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

Also, I wouldn’t immediately resort to violence. Edair was also a fool when it comes to his “terms”. He wanted to tax the captain’s council for every year they lived in LA without paying tax to Kryta, and demanded all non-humans to leave the city.
I would not ask this. I would forgive/forget those taxes (I would start taxing them like the rest of Kryta) and allow everybody to stay there. ALL I want is for the captain’s council, the ruling body of LA, to dissolve – and for the Lionguard to swear fealty to Kryta once again.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Mental Paradox.3845:

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

Killing people on principle along racial lines? Can’t you see how well that works for the centaurs, dredge, and krait? Socially and technologically isolated, fighting a war on too many fronts to possibly be winnable, and at the mercy of roving adventurers swooping by at all times of the day and night to disrupt your operations and take a crack at assassinating your leader.

“Killing people” isn’t the point. Why assume I’m talking about genocide?

My goals with the Tengu would be twofold:

1) Bring down the wall and guarantee safe passage to any Krytan who wishes to venture into the area.
2) Force the Tengu into making a deal (a loan or whatever you want to call it) for the land. They can stay, they can live there, peacefully – but it will be side by side with Krytans, and not in isolation.

Funny, you claim Kryta would be isolationist, but it’s not Krytans that have walled themselves off from the world and shoot at all those who come close…

Of course, if (as some have suggested) a deal with the Tengu was already made (there’s no evidence for this in lore – but I suppose it could be true) – I’d respect it and leave them in peace. A deal’s a deal.

I agree that times are rough. Sacrifices must be made to unite and fight the dragons.

But I ask of you all:

Why is it always humanity that has to sacrifice? Why didn’t the traitor/pirate Cobiah Marriner rob Charr or Asura ships? Why do WE have to surrender land (LA and Sanctum Cay), and not someone else? Enough is enough! Stand your ground, cowards ;-)

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Socially and technologically isolated, fighting a war on too many fronts to possibly be winnable, and at the mercy of roving adventurers swooping by at all times of the day and night to disrupt your operations and take a crack at assassinating your leader.

I don’t see how it would mean “too many fronts”. So far, I count four.

The war against the centaurs has been going steadily for centuries.
The human contribution to the battle against Mordremoth proves the centaur war is going well enough so we can afford to send troops there (though I agree we have no real idea lore-wise how large the force Kryta sent is).
My battle for Lion’s Arch would be one-day war, if the air/ground blitzkrieg strategy works. I’m quite confident it would. Quelling the resistance afterwards would take longer, though require far less troops.
And then the Tengu.

Then your next claim: “…and at the mercy of roving adventurers swooping by at all times of the day and night to disrupt your operations and take a crack at assassinating your leader”…

Here, you’re basically taking your own opinion (which is against my plans) and assume that ALL gw2 “heroes” will agree with you and fight me. You can’t use a game mechanic in a lore forum, my friend – lorewise, every single ‘hero’ would have to make their own choices regarding the war. Do you think the Charr would care about us attacking Tengu? They’re notorious conquerors themselves. The Sylvari aren’t the type to organize and fight for something not dragon-related. The Asura? There’s no money to be made on the bird-men… they might make money selling us tech to use in our war, though! Norn? They kill everything worth killing, so it makes no difference what we do or don’t… Also, you’re assuming these “heroic adventurers” would always win, as they do in game. That’s also a game mechanic. They could lose, you know.

The ‘adventurer’ thing was just me expanding on krait/dredge/centaur situation. All a bit tongue in cheek. If it could be done bloodlessly, or with minimal resistance, as you claim, of course you’d be much better off, and Kryta would probably benefit from it long-term. Laid out like you’ve done it above, I think the tengu would be the only sticking point- I greatly doubt they made an agreement with Kryta when the whole reason they were in that mess is that Cantha flagrantly broke a similar agreement, and again in Cantha they’ve shown a willingness to die before bowing. Resistance there would be stiff, likely even if you could bring an airship fleet to the table.

Mental Paradox.3845:

LA won that war thanks to the Risen. Zhaitan’s defeated now. Scarlet weakened LA critically. Remember the guard that says they don’t even have enough personell for one shift? How could they possibly resist the entire Krytan army?

Lion’s Arch is also its own independent city-state that has alliances with the other four major races at this point, on top of other groups such as centaurs (that’s more of a peace agreement though) and Zephyrites.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

You didn’t read the book did you? Edair not only created a naval blockade with a fleet that the Lion’s Arch fleet (what little there was at the time) could not withstand (they only survived thanks to the risen), but also created a land blockade across northern Lion’s Arch, preventing all trade route access. Edair created a 360 blockade around the entire city.

Also, you do not simply develop something unheard of before. You can say “I’d develop airships!” because you know such would work, but can you think of something completely new to yourself in every way and expect it to not only work, but be useful in combat situations?

This said, your posts convince me that you’re a bit of an egomaniac and I am glad you are not a world leader.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mental Paradox.3845:

LA won that war thanks to the Risen. Zhaitan’s defeated now. Scarlet weakened LA critically. Remember the guard that says they don’t even have enough personell for one shift? How could they possibly resist the entire Krytan army?

Lion’s Arch is also its own independent city-state that has alliances with the other four major races at this point, on top of other groups such as centaurs (that’s more of a peace agreement though) and Zephyrites.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

You didn’t read the book did you? Edair not only created a naval blockade with a fleet that the Lion’s Arch fleet (what little there was at the time) could not withstand (they only survived thanks to the risen), but also created a land blockade across northern Lion’s Arch, preventing all trade route access. Edair created a 360 blockade around the entire city.

Also, you do not simply develop something unheard of before. You can say “I’d develop airships!” because you know such would work, but can you think of something completely new to yourself in every way and expect it to not only work, but be useful in combat situations?

This said, your posts convince me that you’re a bit of an egomaniac and I am glad you are not a world leader.

Airships already exist. They don’t have to be invented from scratch. In fact, they already contain human technology. All you have to do is reverse-engineer pact technology. And as I said, LA is severely weakened. I don’t doubt this second attempt would succeed. Also, please please please don’t think I want the city destroyed and it’s inhabitants killed or something like that. Not at all.

Lion’s Arch has always been a hub for international trade, even during and before 1072. I would even encourage people from other races and backgrounds to live in and trade in the city. My only beef is with the captain’s council, and their illegal (in my opinion) occupation of the city. Their roots are deep in piracy and treason, and that just doesn’t sit well with me at all.

Egomaniac? Not sure. Maybe? A little paranoid, perhaps – but what did you expect… Lore-wise, humanity on the Tyrian continent is not doing well. In times or hardship, “the people” have proven many times throughout history that are willing to fight to stand their ground… Sometimes this is misguided (cough Hitler cough), but in this case I just feel it’s important for humanity to make a statement.

But yes, it’s all just fiction, so we can agree to disagree =)

Mental Paradox.3845:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mental Paradox.3845:

LA won that war thanks to the Risen. Zhaitan’s defeated now. Scarlet weakened LA critically. Remember the guard that says they don’t even have enough personell for one shift? How could they possibly resist the entire Krytan army?

Lion’s Arch is also its own independent city-state that has alliances with the other four major races at this point, on top of other groups such as centaurs (that’s more of a peace agreement though) and Zephyrites.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

You didn’t read the book did you? Edair not only created a naval blockade with a fleet that the Lion’s Arch fleet (what little there was at the time) could not withstand (they only survived thanks to the risen), but also created a land blockade across northern Lion’s Arch, preventing all trade route access. Edair created a 360 blockade around the entire city.

Also, you do not simply develop something unheard of before. You can say “I’d develop airships!” because you know such would work, but can you think of something completely new to yourself in every way and expect it to not only work, but be useful in combat situations?

This said, your posts convince me that you’re a bit of an egomaniac and I am glad you are not a world leader.

Airships already exist. They don’t have to be invented from scratch. In fact, they already contain human technology.)

Airships did not exist at the time that Sea of Sorrows is set…
The Airships were invented by the pact during the timeline of the personal story, which is years after Edair attacked LA… There were no airships. He had ships, that was it.

Mental Paradox.3845:

And as I said, LA is severely weakened. I don’t doubt this second attempt would succeed.

And Kryta is in such a good state with their fights against bandits, white mantle, centaurs and corrupt ministers? Besides, what motives would Jenna have to go to war? She seems to be one who sees the strategic value of peace and stability (see also the way she handled the Human-Charr relations).

Lion’s Arch has always been a hub for international trade, even during and before 1072. I would even encourage people from other races and backgrounds to live in and trade in the city.

Because other races will let international trade depend on the good will of the kingdom of Kryta? No chance.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Mental Paradox.3845:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mental Paradox.3845:

LA won that war thanks to the Risen. Zhaitan’s defeated now. Scarlet weakened LA critically. Remember the guard that says they don’t even have enough personell for one shift? How could they possibly resist the entire Krytan army?

Lion’s Arch is also its own independent city-state that has alliances with the other four major races at this point, on top of other groups such as centaurs (that’s more of a peace agreement though) and Zephyrites.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

You didn’t read the book did you? Edair not only created a naval blockade with a fleet that the Lion’s Arch fleet (what little there was at the time) could not withstand (they only survived thanks to the risen), but also created a land blockade across northern Lion’s Arch, preventing all trade route access. Edair created a 360 blockade around the entire city.

Also, you do not simply develop something unheard of before. You can say “I’d develop airships!” because you know such would work, but can you think of something completely new to yourself in every way and expect it to not only work, but be useful in combat situations?

This said, your posts convince me that you’re a bit of an egomaniac and I am glad you are not a world leader.

Airships already exist. They don’t have to be invented from scratch. In fact, they already contain human technology.)

Airships did not exist at the time that Sea of Sorrows is set…
The Airships were invented by the pact during the timeline of the personal story, which is years after Edair attacked LA… There were no airships. He had ships, that was it.

Thank you for pointing out that glaring paradox in Paradox’s post.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Mental Paradox.3845:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mental Paradox.3845:

LA won that war thanks to the Risen. Zhaitan’s defeated now. Scarlet weakened LA critically. Remember the guard that says they don’t even have enough personell for one shift? How could they possibly resist the entire Krytan army?

Lion’s Arch is also its own independent city-state that has alliances with the other four major races at this point, on top of other groups such as centaurs (that’s more of a peace agreement though) and Zephyrites.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

You didn’t read the book did you? Edair not only created a naval blockade with a fleet that the Lion’s Arch fleet (what little there was at the time) could not withstand (they only survived thanks to the risen), but also created a land blockade across northern Lion’s Arch, preventing all trade route access. Edair created a 360 blockade around the entire city.

Also, you do not simply develop something unheard of before. You can say “I’d develop airships!” because you know such would work, but can you think of something completely new to yourself in every way and expect it to not only work, but be useful in combat situations?

This said, your posts convince me that you’re a bit of an egomaniac and I am glad you are not a world leader.

Airships already exist. They don’t have to be invented from scratch. In fact, they already contain human technology.)

Airships did not exist at the time that Sea of Sorrows is set…
The Airships were invented by the pact during the timeline of the personal story, which is years after Edair attacked LA… There were no airships. He had ships, that was it.

Thank you for pointing out that glaring paradox in Paradox’s post.

Strawman argument.

I suggested using retaking Lion’s Arch TODAY, 1327AE – not back in Edair’s time.

Diovid.9506:

Mental Paradox.3845:

And as I said, LA is severely weakened. I don’t doubt this second attempt would succeed.

And Kryta is in such a good state with their fights against bandits, white mantle, centaurs and corrupt ministers? Besides, what motives would Jenna have to go to war? She seems to be one who sees the strategic value of peace and stability (see also the way she handled the Human-Charr relations).

Lion’s Arch has always been a hub for international trade, even during and before 1072. I would even encourage people from other races and backgrounds to live in and trade in the city.

Because other races will let international trade depend on the good will of the kingdom of Kryta? No chance.

Why not? It was that way before pirates seized it. It can be that way again. Lion’s Arch is the largest seaport in Tyria. What choice do they have? Second reason why your opinion is garbage: if what you said was true, trade would not be possible at all. How would trade in the real world work? There doesn’t have to be a centralized trade hub. The real world chooses to trust the host government… because when money is involved, everybody is suddenly such good friends…

And then the claim that Kryta is in bad shape… I’d argue they are in worse shape. The situation may not be ideal but Kryta would still win.

I find your lack of patriotism disturbing. It’s funny how this game seems to bring all the anti-human misantropists out. I think it’s really cute how you guys take this all so seriously and try to gang up on me.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Strawman argument.

I suggested using retaking Lion’s Arch TODAY, 1327AE – not back in Edair’s time.

You said:

Also, Edair was a fool. I wouldn’t attack LA from the water – that’s insanity. Naval power is what LA is best at. I’d develop airships like the ones used by the pact and attack them from the sky. Bomb them into the ground, then send in ground forces.

“Edair was a fool” “I wouldn’t attack LA from the water” “I would develop airships”. Intent or not, your word was saying “if I were in Edair’s shoes, I would develop airships and attack from the sky”.

If you’re talking about now, then you wouldn’t need to develop airships – they’re already developed. Unless you developed a new kind, but then they wouldn’t be “like the ones used by the pact”.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Why not? It was that way before pirates seized it. It can be that way again. Lion’s Arch is the largest seaport in Tyria. What choice do they have? Second reason why your opinion is garbage: if what you said was true, trade would not be possible at all. How would trade in the real world work? There doesn’t have to be a centralized trade hub. The real world chooses to trust the host government… because when money is involved, everybody is suddenly such good friends…

And then the claim that Kryta is in bad shape… I’d argue they are in worse shape. The situation may not be ideal but Kryta would still win.

I find your lack of patriotism disturbing. It’s funny how this game seems to bring all the anti-human misantropists out. I think it’s really cute how you guys take this all so seriously and try to gang up on me.

Actually, before the rise of Zhaitan, Lion’s Arch was the human trading hotspot. Asura and norn seldom traded there, even seldom traded at Port Stalwart after LA’s flooding (before reconstruction), and the charr didn’t trade at either unless they were brigands unrelated to the legions – and even then, they were hated at Port Stalwart and killed on sight at Lion’s Arch pre-flooding.

So no, it was not “that way before pirates seized it.”

Also, technically speaking, pirates did not “seize” it any more than a person begins living in an abandoned, run-down house and renovates it.

And what choice do the races have? How about Rata Sum, which has a port, is tied to the most economically spread out race of the five races, and lies past the Ring of Fire Islands thus having the best choice of being able to trade with other races? Or how about pushing to renovate Orr now that Zhaitan’s dead and the peninsula is under Pact control?

And to your last comment about us being “anti-human misanthropists” – not only is such false, but the reason why we “gang up on [you]” is because of comments like this:

Second reason why your opinion is garbage

I find your lack of logic disturbing.

Yeah, well, when I said “delevop” I meant “produce”. I’m not a native speaker of English so sometimes I make mistakes, okay? Mr. perfect!

Okay, you’re probably right about LA not being a multiracial city before its occupation – but still… why couldn’t LA remain one AFTER it is formally reclaimed by Kryta? Seriously what’s the difference? Government is government. Captain’s council or Krytan government, what difference does it make? If all races arz allowed to live there and trade freely, I see no problem.

Diovid said: “Because other races will let international trade depend on the good will of the kingdom of Kryta? No chance.” – Funny, and they ARE prepared to depend on the goodwill of PIRATES??

And don’t even mention Orr. That would truly be the final insult. The other races getting their grubby hands on our holy land…

I have to wonder… you spent so much time resisting me, and even continuing to attack after I had stated we’d never agree anyway. I mean, really, why does it mean so so much to you? Why is it so important that LA of all places stays occupied by those pirates? Unity? We have the Pact, now.

Personally, my investment is in material. Lion’s Arch looked much better in nautical-themed wood than the stone humans always like to build with.

The difference is the government.

You say “government is government”. But:

Is the government of the United States the same as the government of North Korea?

Is a monarchy the same as a Krytocracy?

And even amongst the same types of government, is one the same as another? No. It is never “government is government”.

The charr would never allow their trade to be dictated by a human constitutional monarchy that is split between charr-haters and peace-wanters. The asura downright are out to have global economic rule and utilize Lion’s Arch free city focus as part of their scheme (as do the Ash Legion). Changing the government of Lion’s Arch from multi-racial leadership to human-centric semi-racist leadership would affect everything.

And do you really think that Caudecus would allow a city of Kryta to be multiracial? No, he’d use that in his smeer campaigns against Jennah.

Also: “Funny, and they ARE prepared to depend on the goodwill of PIRATES??”

They actually aren’t. Lion’s Arch is a free city, began by pirates, but not solely ruled by them – ruled by naval captains in modern times. The entire establishment of Lion’s Arch depends on trade with the other locals, unlike Kryta, so it’s only obvious that they wouldn’t betray their trade partners (without a foolproof means of escaping blame).

Mental Paradox.3845:

I have to wonder… you spent so much time resisting me, and even continuing to attack after I had stated we’d never agree anyway. I mean, really, why does it mean so so much to you? Why is it so important that LA of all places stays occupied by those pirates? Unity? We have the Pact, now.

I can ask the same to you: Why would it be so important for LA to be back in Kryta’s hands? What good would it do them?

And why do you speak as if you’re a figurehead of Kryta that’s being attacked by the other nations of Tyria. You’re playing the role of a politician through and through now, to disturbing degrees.

Lion’s Arch is like Erebor, everybody wants it and that causes a lot of trouble. Lion’s Arch has its perks, it’s an important trading port and a magical place, but some people may say it’s cursed: Civil war, flooding, undead attacks, karka attacks, Scarlet(, the Mad King :p) …

If I ruled Kryta I would move away from Lion’s Arch, but a port to the Sea of Sorrows is important. Right now which port is in the hands of Kryta? Garenhoff? Hakewood? That Tengu wall is troublesome.

Mental Paradox.3845:

I suggested using retaking Lion’s Arch TODAY, 1327AE – not back in Edair’s time.

To take this somewhat seriously, this would not be a very wise move, in my opinion.
a) A lot of work has been (and still is) put into the effort to make peace with the charr. The peace agreement is by no way stable and solid, with rebels on both side still fighting for their cause. Any excuse they can use to turn the masses with them, would be welcomed with open arms.4
We need peace between the races to stand United against the dragons. A little conquering on the side by any race would maybe not shatter the pact, but no race would dare turn their backs to any other or leave any border weak.
The pact, and therefor the fight against the dragons, would suffer.

b) The orders. We have 3 orders whos goal is to defeat the dragons. Anything that has a risk to delay or hinder or even stop this would probably make one or more of the orders to react. They can team up against a common foe, we’ve seen this with the dragons. I think the 3 orders can be a tough one if they decide to team up against the humans.

Mental Paradox.3845:

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

If you defend everything you defend nothing – Sun Tzu

It is important to act based on your actual strength rather than what you think your strength should be.

Mental Paradox.3845:

I think it’s unbelievable Kryta allowed this.

Imagine a foreign power appearing on US shores, building a massive wall around some coastal state, and stating that any US citizen that approaches their own home will be shot at. It’s absolutely preposterous.

If I was in control of Kryta, I’d get rid of that weak “queen” and wage war on the birdmen until we get our land back.

I would have been we cool with it if they at least asked Kryta for shelter and protection. But no, they simply claimed that (significant) part of Kryta and threaten violence to anyone who wants to go there. That’s an act of war.

Dude, human history in Tyria is full of humans stealing land from other races. From the centaurs, from the charr, from the grawl the list goes on. You think it belongs to the humans because we played humans in GW1 and most people play human in GW2 but humans aren’t entitled to land just because they claimed it once (that’s the whole reason the charr waged war on Ascalon – to retake their land that the humans stole).

In GW1 the tengu inhabited Kryta, parts of Kryta they no longer inhabit. Did the humans steal that land from the tengu? There is dialogue with a tengu in Kessex Hills which suggests the tengu have been around for a long time, possibly since the last time the Elder Dragons rose (he mentions the tengu remember things other races have forgotten). The tengu have been around a long time, likely longer than the humans. It’s likely that the Krytans stole land from the tengu before the tengu ever settled in the Domain of Winds. Let’s not forget that Kryta is home to many Canthans, a nation that exiled the tengu from their homes in Cantha.

The humans were overextended in GW1. They had expanded into territory that wasn’t their’s to begin with, displacing other races and creating hostility with them. As the humans weakened, many of those races either retook their land or found new homes in land the humans are to weak to hold anyway.

Shiren.9532:

Mental Paradox.3845:

I think it’s unbelievable Kryta allowed this.

Imagine a foreign power appearing on US shores, building a massive wall around some coastal state, and stating that any US citizen that approaches their own home will be shot at. It’s absolutely preposterous.

If I was in control of Kryta, I’d get rid of that weak “queen” and wage war on the birdmen until we get our land back.

I would have been we cool with it if they at least asked Kryta for shelter and protection. But no, they simply claimed that (significant) part of Kryta and threaten violence to anyone who wants to go there. That’s an act of war.

Dude, human history in Tyria is full of humans stealing land from other races. From the centaurs, from the charr, from the grawl the list goes on. You think it belongs to the humans because we played humans in GW1 and most people play human in GW2 but humans aren’t entitled to land just because they claimed it once (that’s the whole reason the charr waged war on Ascalon – to retake their land that the humans stole).

Get your history right – the Charr didn’t originally control Ascalon either. They “stole” it from the Grawl and Ogres.

And while you’re trying to make humanity look bad, let’s try to remember which race is most famous for having a society based entirely around warfare and conquest – that’s right, the Charr.

Cormac.3871:

Mental Paradox.3845:

I expected this kind of response.

It’s pretty clear to me. You have no backbone.
Don’t do it because whatever’s in there has value – do it out of principle.
Humanity has already surrendered WAY too much. Ascalon to the Charr, LA to pirate scum and a traitor, and now this vast piece of land by the Tengu.

Enough is enough.

If you defend everything you defend nothing – Sun Tzu

It is important to act based on your actual strength rather than what you think your strength should be.

You think Kryta is too weak, I disagree. Nothing to discuss here, I guess.

JoeytheHutt.1742:

Mental Paradox.3845:

I suggested using retaking Lion’s Arch TODAY, 1327AE – not back in Edair’s time.

To take this somewhat seriously, this would not be a very wise move, in my opinion.
a) A lot of work has been (and still is) put into the effort to make peace with the charr. The peace agreement is by no way stable and solid, with rebels on both side still fighting for their cause. Any excuse they can use to turn the masses with them, would be welcomed with open arms.4
We need peace between the races to stand United against the dragons. A little conquering on the side by any race would maybe not shatter the pact, but no race would dare turn their backs to any other or leave any border weak.
The pact, and therefor the fight against the dragons, would suffer.

b) The orders. We have 3 orders whos goal is to defeat the dragons. Anything that has a risk to delay or hinder or even stop this would probably make one or more of the orders to react. They can team up against a common foe, we’ve seen this with the dragons. I think the 3 orders can be a tough one if they decide to team up against the humans.

a) I don’t see why this should negatively affect the Pact. We are not attacking any of the races here. Or the Pact. I AM beginning to see how attacking LA at this point is like kicking a beehive. It will stir up tensions.
b) That is my concern, too. I haven’t figured out a way to keep them occupied elsewhere yet.

versidia.4520:

Lion’s Arch is like Erebor, everybody wants it and that causes a lot of trouble. Lion’s Arch has its perks, it’s an important trading port and a magical place, but some people may say it’s cursed: Civil war, flooding, undead attacks, karka attacks, Scarlet(, the Mad King :p) …

If I ruled Kryta I would move away from Lion’s Arch, but a port to the Sea of Sorrows is important. Right now which port is in the hands of Kryta? Garenhoff? Hakewood? That Tengu wall is troublesome.

That’s a decent plan B. The deal with the Tengu, if there ever was one, was a dumb move. At this point, what naval power does Kryta have? LA is independent, and the rest of the coast is Tengu territory.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The difference is the government.

You say “government is government”. But:

Is the government of the United States the same as the government of North Korea?

Is a monarchy the same as a Krytocracy?

And even amongst the same types of government, is one the same as another? No. It is never “government is government”.

The charr would never allow their trade to be dictated by a human constitutional monarchy that is split between charr-haters and peace-wanters. The asura downright are out to have global economic rule and utilize Lion’s Arch free city focus as part of their scheme (as do the Ash Legion). Changing the government of Lion’s Arch from multi-racial leadership to human-centric semi-racist leadership would affect everything.

And do you really think that Caudecus would allow a city of Kryta to be multiracial? No, he’d use that in his smeer campaigns against Jennah.

Also: “Funny, and they ARE prepared to depend on the goodwill of PIRATES??”

They actually aren’t. Lion’s Arch is a free city, began by pirates, but not solely ruled by them – ruled by naval captains in modern times. The entire establishment of Lion’s Arch depends on trade with the other locals, unlike Kryta, so it’s only obvious that they wouldn’t betray their trade partners (without a foolproof means of escaping blame).

Mental Paradox.3845:

I have to wonder… you spent so much time resisting me, and even continuing to attack after I had stated we’d never agree anyway. I mean, really, why does it mean so so much to you? Why is it so important that LA of all places stays occupied by those pirates? Unity? We have the Pact, now.

I can ask the same to you: Why would it be so important for LA to be back in Kryta’s hands? What good would it do them?

And why do you speak as if you’re a figurehead of Kryta that’s being attacked by the other nations of Tyria. You’re playing the role of a politician through and through now, to disturbing degrees.

“My” government would not be “semi-racist”. Please point out which of my suggestions is racist in nature. Is it human-centric? But of course! Is the black citadel’s ruling body Charr-centric? I might certainly hope so!

And hey, I’m not stopping anyone from building a “free city” elsewhere on Tyria!

And to be honest, if I was in control of Kryta, that troublemaker Caudecus would be six feet under already. Do I sound like a politician? Good! I like arguing for the benefit of my species. Every other race does it, and no one cries about them! But when a human stands up for their interests, it’s “omg kitten!!!11!!”.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Get your history right – the Charr didn’t originally control Ascalon either. They “stole” it from the Grawl and Ogres.

And while you’re trying to make humanity look bad, let’s try to remember which race is most famous for having a society based entirely around warfare and conquest – that’s right, the Charr.

Correction:

Ogres were never said to have been in Ascalon prior to recent history. Dwarves did have a presence in Ascalon and the now-called Blood Legion Homelands however.

But grawl were hardly a civilization then – they hardly are now – and dwarves are no more. So if anyone plays the ‘historically proper owners’ card, it’s the charr.

And arguably, humanity also has a society based around warfare and conquest – thanks to Balthazar, it would seem, humanity’s first known acts in new lands have always been warfare and conquest.

Kryta and Ascalon wouldn’t exist if not for their early conquests – potentially the same for Cantha (including Kurzicks and Luxons) and Elonians, possibly even Orr (which had Forgotten presence originally – see Altar of Glaust). Ascalon and Kourna were, in fact, societies that focused on military vigilance, and the former (Ascalon) was considered grim due to their constant warfare (with charr and ogres, though the latter was only unveiled in GW2, and the Guild Wars).

Mental Paradox.3845:

I don’t see why this should negatively affect the Pact. We are not attacking any of the races here. Or the Pact. I AM beginning to see how attacking LA at this point is like kicking a beehive. It will stir up tensions.

How is “attacking LA” not “attacking the races”? LA has all major (and some minor) races in it.

By attacking Lion’s Arch, you create conflict with charr, asura, norn, and sylvari – especially asura. You can pretty much say g’bye to your DR and Ebonhawke asura gates.

Mental Paradox.3845:

That’s a decent plan B. The deal with the Tengu, if there ever was one, was a dumb move. At this point, what naval power does Kryta have? LA is independent, and the rest of the coast is Tengu territory.

This is incorrect. You have the entire space between Garrenhoff (a krytan port) and Lion’s Arch that is Krytan by all knowledge.

Despite the presence of the Shuttered Gate, which doesn’t actually connect to the Dominion of Winds. Probably why they haven’t brought the tengu back into LA (iirc). Because they were liars.

Mental Paradox.3845:

“My” government would not be “semi-racist”. Please point out which of my suggestions is racist in nature. Is it human-centric? But of course! Is the black citadel’s ruling body Charr-centric? I might certainly hope so!

And hey, I’m not stopping anyone from building a “free city” elsewhere on Tyria!

And to be honest, if I was in control of Kryta, that troublemaker Caudecus would be six feet under already. Do I sound like a politician? Good! I like arguing for the benefit of my species. Every other race does it, and no one cries about them! But when a human stands up for their interests, it’s “omg kitten!!!11!!”.

In order:
By deciding to conquer non-aggressive peoples on what was abandoned Krytan soil a century after they’ve become established, simply because they were not ‘your people’ – that itself is an act of racism. Kryta gave up that land. It isn’t theirs to retake. It’d be like having a toy but then tossing it out, but once you see a homeless man take the toy out of the dumpster you decide, a month later, to take it back with force.

“You can have your free city, but you can’t have it where I don’t want you to.” Sounds pretty dictatorial to me.

And your last paragraph shows you have zero attention to the meaning of the word “consequence.” This is pretty typical of people who’ve never considered what it would truly be like to be a leader of a nation or even a small group. You are continuously scrutinized and every action you take will be weighed by the people. Jennah cannot simply kill off Caudecus because of this – he has dug himself too deep in the favor of the people and the government that there would be unrest if he ‘mysteriously died overnight’ or some such. And the same goes vice versa.

If you were ever a leader of a nation, we’d have a French Revolution on our hands in record time. Or an assassination.

You don’t sound like a politician, you sound like a roleplayer in a non-roleplaying environment. Or you sound crazy. Take your pick. ;P And there really isn’t anyone who pretends they’re charr, asura, norn, or what-have-you on these forums. And when there are, they’re usually treated with the same as this paragraph. No special mistreatment here! No sir ee!

Oh König, please enlighten me with your experience in ruling nations.

My defending humanity isn’t roleplaying. In case you haven’t looked into a mirror lately, we are kind of human in real life too. Naturally I will pick my own side in any conflict.

About that “revolution” or “assassination” you speak of, I’m not so sure. Considering my rule would always favor my own people and would involve enemies that have plagued the common people for centuries, I can’t myself being anything other than popular. If it’s the other races doing the assassinating, then it’s not a “revolution” (they are not citizens of the nation) but an act of war.

Also:

Racism (according to the Oxford dictionary):

“The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races”. “Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior”.

War against a nation that just so happens to consist of non-humans isn’t necessarily because one believes the other race is inferior. Your argument is a strawman.

And lastly, why would an attack of LA be an attack on Charr/Asura/Norn/whatever just because some of its citizens happen to be of that race? That argument is pure garbage, no other way to say it… if that was true, it would also be an attack on ourselves, considering some inhabitants of LA are human. Also, the citizens of LA are so big on “independence”, so I can only assume an Asura from LA claims to be every bit as “indepedent” from Rata Sum as the LA humans claim to be “free” from Kryta.

But yeah, I think I’m pulling out of this debate. It’s just an endless spewing of tired arguments over and over again anyway, we’ll never come to an agreement. So yeah, thanks for sticking with it for that long, I guess.

EDIT: that, and we’re so far off-topic it’s not even funny anymore =D

Mental Paradox.3845:

Oh König, please enlighten me with your experience in ruling nations.

I never claimed to have personal experience. I just pay enough attention to realize that it is more than waving my hands and going “let it be so!” like so many people – your posts included – seem to believe.

Mental Paradox.3845:

My defending humanity isn’t roleplaying. In case you haven’t looked into a mirror lately, we are kind of human in real life too. Naturally I will pick my own side in any conflict.

We are not of a fictional culture with a fictional history living in a fictional kingdom on a fictional world. I would say more you’re roleplaying a Krytan (which, I believe, I did say).

Mental Paradox.3845:

About that “revolution” or “assassination” you speak of, I’m not so sure. Considering my rule would always favor my own people and would involve enemies that have plagued the common people for centuries, I can’t myself being anything other than popular. If it’s the other races doing the assassinating, then it’s not a “revolution” (they are not citizens of the nation) but an act of war.

You said you’d remove Caudecus outright – well, Caudecus has fanatic followers. Have fun.

And turning to new wars and tensions when the people are already besieged to the point of enemy armies recently marching on your capital doorsteps? Not exactly the brightest of ideas. Either for direct economic and militant reasons, or for the results of the politics.

Mental Paradox.3845:

War against a nation that just so happens to consist of non-humans isn’t necessarily because one believes the other race is inferior. Your argument is a strawman.

Inferiority is not really a factor in racism. Simple hatred is enough to be considered racism, though it usually consists of undeserved hatred.

Mental Paradox.3845:

And lastly, why would an attack of LA be an attack on Charr/Asura/Norn/whatever just because some of its citizens happen to be of that race? That argument is pure garbage, no other way to say it… if that was true, it would also be an attack on ourselves, considering some inhabitants of LA are human. Also, the citizens of LA are so big on “independence”, so I can only assume an Asura from LA claims to be every bit as “indepedent” from Rata Sum as the LA humans claim to be “free” from Kryta.

You just answered yourself: some of LA citizens are of the race. Just look at the responses shown about sylvari hatred just because of Scarlet Briar – one sylvari led a multi-racial attack on LA, and we have multiple results of sylvari hatred spewing forth.

And yes, LA asura are independent from Rata Sum…. this is why the Captain’s Council can barter with the Arcane Council to lower waypoint costs, and why Rata Sum came to Lion’s Arch’s aid during Sea of Sorrows, and why Lion’s Arch had a contract with Rata Sum for new asura gates (pre-attack; said gates now act as standard gate hub).

And Evon totally isn’t an active member of the Ash Legion.

And Lion’s Arch totally doesn’t have treaties with Divinity’s Reach in recent years(read: Edge of Destiny alliance forming), the very nation you propose should attack the city.

Very independent indeed!

/sarcasmincaseyoudidn’tcatchit

Yeah, okay. Fair enough.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Shiren.9532:

Mental Paradox.3845:

I think it’s unbelievable Kryta allowed this.

Imagine a foreign power appearing on US shores, building a massive wall around some coastal state, and stating that any US citizen that approaches their own home will be shot at. It’s absolutely preposterous.

If I was in control of Kryta, I’d get rid of that weak “queen” and wage war on the birdmen until we get our land back.

I would have been we cool with it if they at least asked Kryta for shelter and protection. But no, they simply claimed that (significant) part of Kryta and threaten violence to anyone who wants to go there. That’s an act of war.

Dude, human history in Tyria is full of humans stealing land from other races. From the centaurs, from the charr, from the grawl the list goes on. You think it belongs to the humans because we played humans in GW1 and most people play human in GW2 but humans aren’t entitled to land just because they claimed it once (that’s the whole reason the charr waged war on Ascalon – to retake their land that the humans stole).

Get your history right – the Charr didn’t originally control Ascalon either. They “stole” it from the Grawl and Ogres.

sigh

I didn’t claim the charr originally controlled Ascalon. I clearly said “the whole reason the charr waged war on Ascalon – to retake their land that the humans stole”. I never state that the charr did not take the land from someone else or that it was somehow theirs by divine rights. It’s tedious reading these discussions when people get upset over a simple fact – Ascalon was home to the charr before the humans.

Mental Paradox.3845:

And while you’re trying to make humanity look bad, let’s try to remember which race is most famous for having a society based entirely around warfare and conquest – that’s right, the Charr.

I’m not “trying to make humanity look bad” I’m stating the reality – that human history in Tyria is full of them taking land that wasn’t theirs to begin with. It’s not a competition between human and charr on who is the “most evil” race. Guild Wars 1 is a story that takes place from the perspective of the humans. You play as a human, the primary protagonists are primarily humans, the allied cities and nations are primarily human, and the bulk of the lore comes from friendly NPCs who happen to primarily be human or talk about human perspectives – because that’s the story being told and that’s the race you play as.

More realistically, Tyria is a world that has several races (many of which who’s history was “retconned” into it as they expanded the world and decided to make GW2 with five playable races) and that means each of those races have histories and cultures of their own. Obviously when you originally imagine a world that caters exclusively to the human perspective they have a lot of work to do to flesh out the identities of the other races and fit them into Tyria. Sometimes that means discarding some lore as “human perspective” and undermining it’s accuracy, other times it means reducing the importance or lore which gives too much prominence to humans (the human gods and the Bloodstones) to free the story to more equally involve all five races.

ArenaNet doesn’t want the game to present the charr as an evil race, or the humans as the good race. They want all the playable races to be the heroic good guys. This means that the imperfections the charr obviously have (they do have a violent history of war) should be reflected in other races as well (humans also have a violent history of war).

The charr would be similar to the humans of Ebonhawk – a displaced people who were driven out of their home by an invading army and are faced with the decision to move on and live elsewhere, or fight to reclaim their ancestors lands.

On a side note:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The difference is the government.

You say “government is government”. But:

Is the government of the United States the same as the government of North Korea?

Is a monarchy the same as a Krytocracy?

And even amongst the same types of government, is one the same as another? No. It is never “government is government”.

The charr would never allow their trade to be dictated by a human constitutional monarchy that is split between charr-haters and peace-wanters.

Actually, Kryta is no constitutional monarchy as far as I can tell. That would imply that the power of the Krytan monarch is restricted by law, which appears not to be the case, eventhough it is implied in LS episode 4 that Jennah could get arrested for treason in a worst-case scenario .

In every other context it appears to be an absolute monarchy, albeit a mild one – which doesn’t mean that the queen dictates everything, but that she has the right to overrule ministers every time she likes to, which is not possible in a constitutional monarchy.

Other than that.. eventhough I find Mental Paradox’s patriotism regarding a fantasy nation a bit disturbing, I have to agree partly.

Eventhough it doesn’t seem realistic that the Dominion of Winds is going to be claimed back by humanity any time soon (less so with Lion’s Arch, actually, in its severely weakened state), I miss a lot of human ambitions and racism in the game that are not connected to typical villains such as Caudecus.

For all we know, Balthazar has always encouraged humanity to take whatever they want to take via conquest, and they were fairly successfull at that back in the time. Why move away from that so heavily and make humanity so soft in that regard when the charr still seem to be heavily focussed on conquest und racial superiority?

The only explanation I can find for this is the overly diplomatic nature of the current monarch. Jennah seems to be more of a Dwayna/Lyssa follower while neglecting Balthazar.
Replace her. è__é (which would be easier if there were any successors to the throne, duh)