Guild Wars 2

So with the recent knowledge of ley lines’ existence out there, there’s been a few people thinking that Orr is over another criss-cross of ley lines. At first I though “no, not necessarily” but I think I’ve found something to further that idea.

I realized this when going through Thaumanova again, and remembering the season 1 finale cinematic which shows the blue pillar of light in Thaumanova light up I thought I’d investigate it (see if anything changed – didn’t notice such). I went to the control panel that you go to with the matrix key for the champion steam ogre, and the thought popped in my head. The panel says this:

Master Control Console LIN39: Safety fields operational. Mass destruction contained.

So the forcefield there, which is lowered to fight the steam ogre, prevents mass destruction. This kind of explains why if you remain up there after the ogre’s death there’s an explosion and subsequent death.

But I was instantly reminded of something else: the Cataclysm. While the original lore of it explained it as an explosion and a pillar of light – this description coming from people seeing it (or second-hand info) from a distance, it led people to think it was an explosion like a bomb or the like. In GW2, we learn otherwise in Arah story mode

There was indeed light – light blue light at that – but no explosion, rather it all sunk directly (this explains why so much is intact, yet so much isn’t – it didn’t sink together). But what’s the most interesting to me is that the shade of blue is the same. And both Thaumanova and the Cataclysm hold a pillar of light – and Thaumanova could result in mass destruction, the Cataclysm did.

So this leads me to believe that the Cataclysm was tapping into the ley lines, similar to the Inquest experiments (which wasn’t a direct tapping but rather mass magic being messed with close to the ley lines).

This also gives some possible insight into the nature of the Cataclysm.

Others’ thoughts?

It’s plausible, at least. Engineers who examined the drill and leyline diagram aboard the Breachmaker found that

Anyone who managed to tap this energy and channel the magic into a repository would have a great deal of power at their disposal.

Might be worth heading to the Vizier’s tower, seeing if there’s any clues there. Just trying to think of any other times we’ve seen that blue light (outside of the context of stuff like monk/guardian spells).

Didn’t think of this before, but that certainly seems to make sense to me.

Do we know if any of the Six other than Abaddon knew about the ley lines?

I don’t recall precisely, but I understand it was either that he lead Khilbron to read the scroll that unleashed to magic, or that and he created the scroll.. or something to that effect. Either way this implies Abaddon knew about the ley lines and their effects.

I think that a ley line being under/near Orr makes sense. This could also imply that there’s a large leyline point near all dragons? Do we have any way to see this?

What about other Criss-crosses? Is it possible that there’s a connection between large human settlements (Istan anyone?) and ley lines? I have my doubts about LA being conveniently on top of a ley line intersection and that it’s purely a coincidence.

An intersection may also explain the way the Six were able to connect directly to Tyria. Perhaps they were drawn to that and not the power of Zhaitan?

I’m just throwing ideas out there at the moment but I can see minor connections.

@Tamias: Interesting note to make. I don’t think we’d find anything in the Vizier’s Tower, though.

@ mexay: We don’t even know if Abaddon knew of the ley lines, so no. The origins of the scroll is unknown just that it “predates when the gods made the Bloodstone” (which has been proven false – that the gods made the Bloodstone that is, but this means “before magic was resealed in Year 0” with a strong likelihood of “after Abaddon gifted magic in 1 BE” – but it could be older, tbh, given how much other stuff is wrong in the same origin of the line – the History of Tyria document from Prophecies).

What Abaddon did to Khilbron was that he converted Khilbron via Terrick aka Razakiel. Though there’s hints that Khilbron knew what he was doing, Terrick claims he tricked Khilbron into sinking Orr and the Orrian History Scrolls claim Khilbron was honest in his attempt to save Orr. It’s hard to choose who to believe.

We don’t really have a way to point there being a large ley line or criss-cross of them near all dragons. There was one at Lion’s Arch, and no dragon there so it certainly isn’t a requirement. But since Elder Dragons exude magic when they hibernate and ley lines are the paths of least resistence of magic’s movement across the globe, it wouldn’t be surprising if magic in ley lines tend to originate from Elder Dragons.

Interesting notion about human settlements on ley lines. I doubt LA being over one is purely coincidence since the drill was more or less right atop of Old Lion’s Arch’s main square (where the fountain was, the drill went right next to it iirc). But we don’t really have a good method of checking where ley lines are – especially in GW1.

And we already know that the Six Gods were drawn to the magic of the Artesian Waters and not Zhaitan. This is explained to non-charr if you talk to Trahearne at the end of the Cathedral of Silence story step.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

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The only reason I bring Abaddon up is when you read the Orrian Scrolls it implies that he knew a great deal more than the other five Gods, granted it’s what “passed beyond in the mists”, but this kind of stuff gets implied a lot when it comes to him and I’m often left with impression he wasn’t really a giant kitten who went insane. He’s the God of Secrets (and associated with Knowledge) so one would assume that he’d know about the Ley Lines. I get the impression that once you tamper with a ley line it goes “kaboom”, or at least has the potential to do so. I know this has been brought up a few times over the past and is far from the best theory, but perhaps he also knew about the dragons and that there’s the potential to maybe not wake them, but prod them, when you screw with the ley lines. I guess what I’m getting at is perhaps there is some connection between Abaddon and the Dragons? It’s an extremely long stretch, but I wouldn’t dismiss the idea entirely.

I think a lot of the Cataclysm and the Ley Lines have to do with how magic works and such. For example, is that magic from the blood stones seperate from the Ley Lines or does it interact. Do we have any other examples of Ley Line interaction? The concept art for the Foefire’s Heart shows a bright blue light. This is probably just a coincidence, but Ascalon is also another place that strikes me as being relatively magical, maybe there’s an intersection there?

Aaand we have a possible answer to “what kind of LS hints we’d find out from Abie fractal?” question that keeps popping every now and again.

A bit offtopic but the text in the posted picture looks alot like krytan but wouldn’t be more logical to be in orrian? I remember a dev posting about an orrian alphabet but that it wasn’t implemented. Also has anyone ever translated what it says?

zwierz.9012:

Aaand we have a possible answer to “what kind of LS hints we’d find out from Abie fractal?” question that keeps popping every now and again.

It would make sense. The main purpose of the Fractured release, in terms of its relation to the overall living world arc, was to provide exposition on the ley lines. If the Cataclysm, Abaddonian magic as it is, tapped into that power, then we’d probably see something about it in the Fall of Abaddon Fractal.

@mexay: The bloodstone’s magic was all the non-corrupted magic in the world during the last rise; ley lines are just channels for magic to move through. So they are connected – but it should be noted that “ley lines” are NOT magic. It’s the movement of magic. Same way you’d say waves and currents in the ocean’s surface isn’t water but the movement of water, or that wind current isn’t actually wind but the movement of wind.

As to Foefire’s Heart – I had considered that but two things:
1) It’s ghostly, and most ghosts are a light blue. I point this more to souls being magical energy (my theory, based on demons consuming souls as food, and Oola’s hologram’s line in Metrica about how “we all embody magic”).
2) It’s not a pillar of light, per se, but a flaming sword.
3) We see the bottom of it in the Ascalonian Catacombs dungeon, and it doesn’t breach down beneath said catacombs.

There’d also be nothing to contain it if it were like Thaumanova.

@Angry Dutch: Doesn’t look New Krytan to me.

That is an interesting thought Konig. I have to wonder if living things, being the embodiment of magic, aren’t attracted to these locations of high magical concentration (aka ley line crossings). It would certainly mean that leyline crossings being in highly populated areas aren’t coincidences…

We can look into real life ley line lore (fantasy just borrowed the term, often changing it’s meaning) and see if we can find parallels to base on there, rather than other fantasy settings with ley lines?

IF (I repeat IF as in a starting point for an ASSUMPTION, that’s specially for you, you know who) we’d start from assumption that story Devs based on the real life ley line lore we could build a working start point to maybe map them ourselves and sketch a theoretical ley line map in Tyria linking monuments and places of rich history with magic together to form a diagram?

Of course the problem would be “how the interconnections between points A, B, C (et cetera) go?”

Tossing in wikipedia article about ley lines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_lines .

It might be a shot in the dark of course, just a thought.

Personally, given how many sites of magical significance there are in Orr – the Artesian Waters, the Altar of Glaust, the site of the breaking and possibly making of the Bloodstone, let alone all those cathedrals – I would be shocked and horrified if Orr was not the site of one or more major magical confluences.

This being the case, it does seem logical that the power of the Cataclsym may have tapped into this in some way, although according to my own theories of how magic has developed there would have been less magic in the ley line network back then. On the other hand, if Arah is a bigger intersection than Lion’s Arch, this would make up the difference.

It might also have ramifications for the ‘just how much was Khilbron acting on his own agency and how much was he duped’ aspect. It could be that, for instance, Khilbron just thought he was tapping into a greater source of power in order to raise a massive necromantic army that he genuinely thought would defend Orr – but Terick just “forgot” to mention that disrupting the lay line network might have the consequence of causing Orr to sink.

Who knows, it might be interesting to find out that the destruction of Orr was merely a pleasant (but unexpected) surprise. We know so little about what happened that it is not outside the realm of possibility to believe that using the scroll where he did, mixed with the possible use of dragon magics by the charr (aka searing cauldrons), lead to the releasing of a leyline convergance and thus the devastation of Orr. For all we know, Abaddon had hoped to use the Realm of Torment to create a tormented version of Arah as a mockery of the works of his brethren, but having Arah destroyed was an acceptable loss.

My own theory is this:
Most of the leylines extend out from the Dragons. Rather than assuming that the dragons fells at the ends of these leylines, I believe that when the dragons were first defeated and put to rest, the leylines grew from them. Remember, these creatures feed on magic, they are basically giant batteries. The leylines acted like power cords spreading throughout Tyria. The sentient creatures could detect this power, and built their cities on top of them.

This has almost definitely been brought up before, but now we have a hypothesis connecting Abaddonian magic and the Dragons, it may be worth thinking about again: we still don’t know what all those crystals from the Searing, which was born from magic said to be similar to that of the Cataclysm, are all about. Kralkatorrik wasn’t designed until long after the Searing crystals, but it’s odd that they gave his corruption (the Dragonbrand) a similar appearance to the Searing crystals, and put them in the same region. Wouldn’t that cause some confusion for new players? Unless, of course, it’s intentional – and the two are related.

The Searing was never said to be similar to that of the Cataclysm. In fact, the magic of the Searing’s age mentioned is older than the mention of the Cataclysm’s magic’s age.

Cataclysm = powered by magic before the Bloodstone (said by one who thought no magic existed by 1 BE).
Searing = powered by beings long fallen asleep

Furthermore, we’ve gotten far more hints to the Searing’s magic, namely that it is NOT tied to Abaddon or the titans. While, yes, the titans gave the charr the Cauldron of Cataclysm, the Flame Legion enchanted and duplicated the caldron many times – we see a minimum of 4 searing cauldrons in GW2 alone, and one could consider the cauldron seen during Ruins of Surmia and the one seen in the Heirophant’s Stronghold a separate one from the Cauldron of Searing given that the Cauldron of Searing never moved in 250 years (or it was put back but that’d just be plain weird). I wouldn’t doubt the one in the Heirophant’s Stronghold is the Cauldron of Cataclysm, honestly.

For reference sake, the source on the Flame Legion enchanting:

Researcher Fero: Well, braid my ears! Those ancient Flame Legion poobahs may’ve been evil, oppressive oiks, but they knew how to enchant a weapon.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blast_from_the_Past

Knowing that the Elder Dragons radiate magic, I would not doubt that the Flame Legion did to Kralkatorrik what the asura and Six Gods did to Primordus and Zhaitan (respectively) – that they siphoned off of Kralkatorrik to enchant the cauldrons.

But again, the fact that the Flame Legion did some enchanting puts a big “not likely” to connections to Abaddon and the Searing’s magic’s origin – in either knowing or causing.

The searing cauldrons spawning the massive crystals also bring Kralkatorrik to mind.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Wealdwood
i wonder if this orb is related somehow to the cataclysm

there is an event with inquests, if its failed, they will infuse a golem with the magic of this orb, and then the golem says “Must—protect—Orr.”

there is also an asura who we can speak with, he tells us about the orb:

What does this have to do with the Inquest?
“Everything! The Inquest are trying to exploit the orb’s power. But it’s magic is too volatile. Who knows what they’ll unleash?”

Sublimatio.6981:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Wealdwood
i wonder if this orb is related somehow to the cataclysm

there is an event with inquests, if its failed, they will infuse a golem with the magic of this orb, and then the golem says “Must—protect—Orr.”

there is also an asura who we can speak with, he tells us about the orb:

What does this have to do with the Inquest?
“Everything! The Inquest are trying to exploit the orb’s power. But it’s magic is too volatile. Who knows what they’ll unleash?”

Huh, interesting catch. While I’m not sure it’s anything to do with the Cataclysm, turning all the nearby land to gold does effectively shield it from dragon corruption. The fact that the golem, after absorbing the Wealdwood’s magic, feels compelled to protect Orr would further support the argument that the purpose of the magic there is to somehow prevent dragon corruption.

Interesting idea… I put together a rough merged GW2 map, and drew some lines on special landmarks. Assuming the leylines are more or less straight (in the cinematic, it seemed to be rather wavy, but since it’s deep underground, the place where the energy bursts to the ground might not be exactly on top of the line), and that Lion’s Arch (the wreckage of Breachmaker used as the exact spot) is a crossroads of at least two ley lines, one of which goes through the Thraumanova Reactor, some interesting things can be found.

Line A (goes through Lion’s Arch and Thraumanova Reactor), passes over Hoelbrak and cuts close to Haunted Nolani. It further continues to Blazeridge Mountains, and on the other direction, runs through Magus Falls.

Proposed Line B runs through Arah and Lion’s Arch, through Vigil Keep to Woodland Cascades. Nothing particularly in interesting I found.

Proposed Line C runs through Eye of the North, to Lion’s Arch, to Claw Island, to Karka Hive, to The Grove, to Abaddon’s Mouth and from there onwards to the Unending Ocean. This one seems quite promising.

Later today I might think of some more lines to add, but I have a feeling about line C. Also, another interesting thing to note is that line C is right in between lines A and B, forming two 30 decree wedges on both sides of LA.

I think I’ve seen those lines drawn out before…

And yeah, I think you’re right to discard Line B. I’m pretty sure there is a convergence of ley lines in Orr, probably a BIG one, but LA is probably a relatively minor one – instead, I’d be looking to see if you get anything interesting connecting lines from Arah to any of the interesting points along lines A and B.

That said, if the ley lines are indeed streams of magic, they may not necessarily be straight after all. They may be following ‘paths of least resistance’, traveling roughly from a source to wherever the magic is going.

Here’s a slightly cleaner version of the map I started on, make what you will of it. Used the Artesian Waters, the two Inquest reactors, Glint’s Lair and the Eye of the North for the most important focal points. I figured that if the Thaumanova Reactor was on a ley line, chances are the version 2.0 was on one as well, and both were very convenient spots to lay lines over.

When it comes to ley line locations, I doubt there’s one at Infinite Coil Reactor. The Inquest wouldn’t be foolish enough to make a second reactor over a ley line (let alone an intersection) when doing such at Thaumanova blew the place sky high. And looking at the Infinite Coil Reactor, it was built with intentions of lasting a long longer than “less than a year” like it did.

The map also lacks the “major intersections” at LA. There would be more at LA than at Thaumanova.

Though I doubt that ley lines are straight lines.

Thinking on possible ley line locations, I’d be surprised if one isn’t at the Central Transfer Chamber, since one seems to lead to Mordremoth it’d be surprising if at least one per doesn’t lead to a dragon. Which means there’d be one heading off the map north of the Far Shiverpeaks.

The Source of Orr could be directly connected to the Lay line.
As I recall, that was the magical center of orr.

Most of the lines on that map are guesses and conjecture, but the two crossing in Lion’s Arch I have a strong feeling about. I’ll have to clean off all of the two-point lines from there and add some more points once I iron out their location on GW2 map.

Infinite Coil Reactor, while built to last longer than the Thaumanova Reactor, could have been built to utilize the ley line. It also lines up nicely with the Glint’s Lair – Thaumanova -line and forms another line on the hotspot on Wayfarer Foothills, very close to the Heart of Corruption when lined with the Eye of the North. A line drawn through Artesian Waters and the reactor links the Ring of Fire islands and Mount Maelstrom, and further look reveals that it also connects the two locales known to be inhabited by Eidolons, “…a bestial creature made from malice and shade. This creature has a natural defense against the magics of the Mursaat”. I do not think there’s enough reason to discredit the possibility of Infinite Coil Reactor residing on a ley line, or a crossing point of ley lines. They could well provide it with dragon energy required for the experiments.

And yes, this line of thinking only works if the lines are, in fact, straight lines.

Still, if experimenting with chaos magic and dragon energy on an intersection of ley lines caused the Thaumanova Reactor to explode, and they figured out why the reactor went into meltdown, then why – unless they were utter morons or intending to duplicate the effect (for such they wouldn’t have created such a huge facility with so many different experimentations) – would they build another reactor that holds experimentations with dragon energy and chaos magic on top of an intersection of ley lines?

It doesn’t make logical sense.

Furthermore, I think that there are far too many ley lines in your map. We can actually gather a possibility of the number of ley lines coming through Lion’s Arch via the drill console in the Scarlet’s End instance (which is said to be an image transmitted from the probe) where we have a total of eight lines from the epicenter – initially being three going one way and three going another on the 2d monitor, the top on each side splits in two. Given that last bit and how they swerve on the 2d monitor, it wouldn’t surprise me if they move about (also given how the cinematic shows the blue light going in a waving pattern), even if not by much. We have to consider that the ley lines span the entire globe and that they’re the paths of least resistance for magic. There’s no reason for them to be straight or so numerous in continental Tyria, unless there’s just too much magic to flow through at once (which could be explained via so many Elder Dragons exuding/consuming magic near Tyria).

If I were to list magical places possible to contain ley lines (imo) form most to least likely including those we’ve got confirmed (and when likelihood is equal, from most intersections to least), I’d say:

1. Old Lion’s Arch (apparently 4 intersecting lines)
2. Thaumanova (2 or 3 intersecting lines)
3. The Artesian Waters (reason: center of highly-magical-Orr’s magic, possibly where Zhaitan hibernated as it is said to be under Arah like he was; likely ~6 intersecting lines, possibly including one going to LA)
4. Giant Lake in Blood Legion Homelands (reason: where Kralk slept, ley lines would form from him exuding magic most likely; likely ~6-8 ley lines)
5. The Falls in Magus Falls (reason: roughly where Mordremoth (same as bove), and is called magical in GW1; likely ~6-8 ley lines; could partially explain Maguuma’s magicalness)
6. Off map in Far Shiverpeaks (reason: where Jormag slept; likely ~6-8 ley lines intersecting, one possibly leads south towards Eye of the North)
7. King’s Watch (reason: Old LA and Orr both had ley line intersections, wouldn’t surprise me if like Old LA, one of the first Krytan cities from pre-Exodus, a place of importance in ancient Ascalon also held a criss-cross of ley lines, King’s Watch is the only known ancient monument aside from Stormcaller’s original location (which may be where a path from King’s Watch leads if I’m right); likely ~3-4 intersecting lines)

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Places of magical power I don’t think holds ley line intersections (a single ley line may still be possible):

• Ring of Fires. The magical importance of this comes from the Door of Komalie, the portal to the Realm of Torment.
• Eye of the North. It’s ancient, perhaps built when there was little to no magic in ley lines; or before its drainage and thus possibly when different ley lines existed (before last rise, maybe the rises relocates ley lines? Pure speculation.)
• Glint’s Lair. While she would be consuming magic, the Forgotten likely would be able to give her magic while she tucked herself away in her sanctuary, making placing one on a ley line irrelevant (there’s also a the dragon blood she collected that she could have consumed magic from, since Kralk’s blood isn’t corruptive like the Sanguinary Blade).
• Most, if not all, of the communing skill challenges. They’re all man-made, recent, tied to the structure/artifact itself rather than the land or a power within the land, or tied more to water or places of death, only possible exception is the Krait Place of Power skill challenge in Bloodtide Coast, there may be a ley line from LA going through there (in fact, I bet its likely). Same goes for Bloodstone locations.

Non-Tyria places of magic I think ley lines may intersect at (most to least likely):

1. The Hallowed Point. Said to be very powerful magic, only place capable of destroying artifacts of powerful magic – in Straits of Devastation, there’s an event along southern invasion route where an NPC states that magic is very hard to destroy, meaning that Hallowed Point is even more unique. Befitting an intersection of ley lines, IMO – could include one coming from Orr or King’s Watch.
2. Harvest Temple. There’s nothing special about it, yet it was a floating island before Shiro, and Kuunavang remains there for unknown lengths of time – if she turns out to be akin to the ED and consumes magic… perfect explanation.
3. Fahranur. For the same reason as King’s Watch – plus said, iirc, to hold strong magic within, though could be sourced to Apocrypha or Scarab Plague, still alternative possibility.
4. Tahnnakai Temple. Another greatly ancient location of magic and importance for humanity, wouldn’t be surprising.

Yes, I’m aware that there are far too many lines on the map, that’s just the method I use when working, presenting all plausibilities and then sanding it down to the most likely possibility.

About Thaumanova Reactor, do consider that even though in real world Chernobyl disaster happened, nuclear energy is still used, just with better safeguards.

Also, an idea that just popped into my head, it could very well be that the ley lines aren’t directly related to the dragons – that is, the lines don’t go according to their locations, but instead, they chose to slumber in places they knew the magic would flow through.

Edit continue, there’s no reason to believe the Eye of the North was built at a time of low magic levels, or that the ley lines would have changed. I believe it has high potential of being built on a ley line focal point. It’s an artifact of unknown origin, with nothing similar around it. Whoever built it, built it there for a reason.

Here’s a new version of the map, with LA, Thaumanova Reactor, Artesian Waters, Eye of the North and Central Transfer Chamber being as the major points, an all the lines drawn in between.

Notes, the line going through EotN and CTC also goes through Infinite Coil Reactor, and the Artesian Waters – Central Transfer -line crosses with the LA – Thaumanova -line right at the center of Hoelbrak, where the totem prism stands.

And I’m well aware that the lines not be straight… but what else would I spend my time on then? I believe that while on a short distance, the lines may be contorted, but when looking at the big picture, they go more or less straight.

I would place Thaumanova on the nonplayable map west of your position (it was an open air event and the area fits). Thaumanova was used to research the ley-lines (we learned from living story), but the way to blow the intersection up was not right (the reason for the drill). It is expectable that CoE is above another ley-line intersection (and aqua base terror 7 is a backup place).

Places of power have different amount of magic (which is visible with the glow of them). These in Orr are very small, except pyrit island. Maybe there is just one strong ley-line left.

Tuomir.1830:

About Thaumanova Reactor, do consider that even though in real world Chernobyl disaster happened, nuclear energy is still used, just with better safeguards.

But no one would put a nuclear reactor over a fault line. This is my point. Have all the safeguards you want, it doesn’t matter for kitten if you put it over a location where it is the location that would compromise the facility.

Tuomir.1830:

Also, an idea that just popped into my head, it could very well be that the ley lines aren’t directly related to the dragons – that is, the lines don’t go according to their locations, but instead, they chose to slumber in places they knew the magic would flow through.

Well, if magic leaks from them, then it’s highly likely that it would go from them through channels of least resistance. So the magic would, theoretically, seep directly to the ley line via a path of least resistance.

Ley lines are basically just the channels for magic to move – as said, the paths of least resistance. Magic exists outside ley lines, but if it is left to its own device, they’ll go to them.

So the theory would be that the ley lines would begin at the dragons, and immediately find a path of least resistance from there – like if you were to spill a glass of water over a cracked surface. From the point where the water hits the surface (where the dragon is), the magic will immediately head towards those cracks as they’re lower ground (less resistance) and spread out from there.

Tuomir.1830:

Edit continue, there’s no reason to believe the Eye of the North was built at a time of low magic levels, or that the ley lines would have changed. I believe it has high potential of being built on a ley line focal point. It’s an artifact of unknown origin, with nothing similar around it. Whoever built it, built it there for a reason.

The Eye of the North’s origin is completely unknown. Unknown even to well-learned dwarf historians. This means that it is very old. Either shortly after the dragons fell asleep, when they were last awake, or even older. At this point, magic would be lower – the closer to the dragons’ rise, the less magic in the world. While theoretical, it makes perfect sense seeing how magic was so low it was barely noticeable on the surface prior to the gods unleashing magic from the Bloodstone. If it’s older than 1 BE, then it was around in a time with little magic in the world. And given that it is hinted to be tied to confronting the Elder Dragons – given its usefulness in Eye of the North (though this is really just player interpretation of its plot devicness), that hints to it being tied to an elder race.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

About Thaumanova Reactor, do consider that even though in real world Chernobyl disaster happened, nuclear energy is still used, just with better safeguards.

But no one would put a nuclear reactor over a fault line. This is my point. Have all the safeguards you want, it doesn’t matter for kitten if you put it over a location where it is the location that would compromise the facility.

But the ley lines aren’t fault lines, they are lines of energy. If it’s a reactor, it’s supposed to transform energy to a more usable form, and as far as I know, we don’t know what was the source for the energy. So, if the reactor was built to utilize the magic of the ley lines, then of course it makes perfect sense for the version 2 to be built on them, as well.

Also, an idea that just popped into my head, it could very well be that the ley lines aren’t directly related to the dragons – that is, the lines don’t go according to their locations, but instead, they chose to slumber in places they knew the magic would flow through.

Well, if magic leaks from them, then it’s highly likely that it would go from them through channels of least resistance. So the magic would, theoretically, seep directly to the ley line via a path of least resistance.

Ley lines are basically just the channels for magic to move – as said, the paths of least resistance. Magic exists outside ley lines, but if it is left to its own device, they’ll go to them.

So the theory would be that the ley lines would begin at the dragons, and immediately find a path of least resistance from there – like if you were to spill a glass of water over a cracked surface. From the point where the water hits the surface (where the dragon is), the magic will immediately head towards those cracks as they’re lower ground (less resistance) and spread out from there.

But in that case, the magic always would flow from the dragons to the lay lines, and if the dragons feed on the lay lines, that wouldn’t make much sense, would it? My theory is that the ley lines are inherent to the world of Tyria, natural pathways of massed magic, not affected directly by the dragons. Of course, massive geographical changes would alter them, so in that way they are affected, but my point is that the lines do not originate from the dragons. They are just very convenient for them.

Edit continue, there’s no reason to believe the Eye of the North was built at a time of low magic levels, or that the ley lines would have changed. I believe it has high potential of being built on a ley line focal point. It’s an artifact of unknown origin, with nothing similar around it. Whoever built it, built it there for a reason.

The Eye of the North’s origin is completely unknown. Unknown even to well-learned dwarf historians. This means that it is very old. Either shortly after the dragons fell asleep, when they were last awake, or even older. At this point, magic would be lower – the closer to the dragons’ rise, the less magic in the world. While theoretical, it makes perfect sense seeing how magic was so low it was barely noticeable on the surface prior to the gods unleashing magic from the Bloodstone. If it’s older than 1 BE, then it was around in a time with little magic in the world. And given that it is hinted to be tied to confronting the Elder Dragons – given its usefulness in Eye of the North (though this is really just player interpretation of its plot devicness), that hints to it being tied to an elder race.

Exactly, we only know that it’s ancient, and we don’t know just how ancient it is. Therefore, I don’t exactly see the logic in your assumption that it must have been built during a low-magic era. It could have been during any of the earlier dragon risings for all we know. And even if it was built during a low-magic era, if the ley lines were the same, as stands in my theory, wouldn’t it be logical to build an important magical tower in a place where as much magic passes as possible?

Tuomir.1830:

But in that case, the magic always would flow from the dragons to the lay lines, and if the dragons feed on the lay lines, that wouldn’t make much sense, would it? My theory is that the ley lines are inherent to the world of Tyria, natural pathways of massed magic, not affected directly by the dragons. Of course, massive geographical changes would alter them, so in that way they are affected, but my point is that the lines do not originate from the dragons. They are just very convenient for them.

I agree with what Konig states, I’ve had the same personal perspective for a long time, but I think you are misunderstanding things a little bit. The Elder Dragons sweat magic while they sleep. This is a known fact, which is where the early part of the theory comes into place. While the dragons are sleeping they are excreting magic which flows away from them on paths of least resistance known as leylines. This is the theory anyways. When the dragons awake, they stop sweating magic, but the magic that is already loose continues to flow through the world in leylines. So, where leylines may have originated from the ED’s, these probably “dried up” and instead started to create cycles or loops throughout the world. One (or multiples) of these “loops” was what Scarlet tapped into and re-routed to Mordremoth to awaken him.

Why does everybody think these ley-lines are natural? If we put the dragons together with ley-lines then it’s expectable that dragons have the initial task to consume magical concentrations and release them slowly back into nature. We have a high concentration and the dragons woke, but after they have been fed with magic. Conclusion: The ley-lines concentrate magic to keep it away from the dragons and the intersections are part of a magic flow network created by somebody (maybe more than one).

Great…i was just about to submit all these questions I had about the elder dragons and the magic they consume from Tyria etc etc…but right as I hit Post Reply, i had to reload the dam page and lost it all >_<

okay lets see if I can recall what I was saying…

crap…well, I think I remember the last thing I was saying: With all the Elder Dragons gathering magic during their sleep, are they aware of each others’ presences in the world? Can they sense where the magic is flowing and how much of it goes?

When a dragon wakes after consuming magic, it pretty much releases all that magic back into the world then returns to its sleep right?
There’s bound to be a time when the remaining Elder Dragons will awaken after consuming all the magic there is in the world and arise at the same time. Then Tyria will pretty much be reduced to almost nothing (if I’m understanding that correctly)

Are they also aware of when the flow of magic is interrupted?

I’m aware of the magic flowing from dragons when they sleep, however I did present my idea badly.

We know that when there is no more magic for the dragons to devour present, they fall into slumber. We also can assume that them waking up is a result from high levels of magic in the world. What hasn’t been examined is how they notice the difference in the amount of magic.

The easy answer would be that they just sense it, because magic. However, we’ve recently seen Mordremoth waking up as a direct result of a surge of magic through the ley line straight into it’s mouth. Also, the magic the dragons exude while sleeping seems to radiate out of their bodies, instead of flowing along the lines. So, from these points, I draw that the dragons are not the source of the ley lines, and that they slumber in places where the magic naturally flows through in order to wake up when the meal is ready.

Tuomir.1830:

I’m aware of the magic flowing from dragons when they sleep, however I did present my idea badly.

We know that when there is no more magic for the dragons to devour present, they fall into slumber. We also can assume that them waking up is a result from high levels of magic in the world. What hasn’t been examined is how they notice the difference in the amount of magic.

The easy answer would be that they just sense it, because magic. However, we’ve recently seen Mordremoth waking up as a direct result of a surge of magic through the ley line straight into it’s mouth. Also, the magic the dragons exude while sleeping seems to radiate out of their bodies, instead of flowing along the lines. So, from these points, I draw that the dragons are not the source of the ley lines, and that they slumber in places where the magic naturally flows through in order to wake up when the meal is ready.

Well the Dragons seem to act more like conductors or rather, vessels for the energy that runs through Tyria.

Is it smart to kill the Elder Dragons when they rise? (just bear with me here)

I know that when they awake, there’s going to be some outstanding impacts on Tyria from them. However, it is their natural job to help keep the flow of energy balanced throughout. What will happen if/when all the Elder Dragons are dead?
Will Tyria be able to survive without them? or will the Asura build something in place of the Elder Dragons that will help maintain a balanced flow of magic without the rising and destruction part

Tuomir.1830:

But the ley lines aren’t fault lines, they are lines of energy. If it’s a reactor, it’s supposed to transform energy to a more usable form, and as far as I know, we don’t know what was the source for the energy. So, if the reactor was built to utilize the magic of the ley lines, then of course it makes perfect sense for the version 2 to be built on them, as well.

Let me try rephrasing then.

If Energy A is not compatible with Energy B, and it is known that if they mix they explode, you would not combine them except as a weapon. This is the fundamental nature of the atomic bomb – it was too hazardous to use as an energy source, so it was turned into a bomb.

Thaumanova was exactly this – mixing two incompatible energy types, resulting in hazardous explosions.

Unless you’re willing to risk your own life – and Kudu’s personality hints that this is not so – then you won’t do something that risks your own life.

Thaumanova was not built to utilize ley lines. And Infinite Coil Reactor is not either – the former was built to utilize chaos magic; the latter was used to utilize dragon energy.

Tuomir.1830:

But in that case, the magic always would flow from the dragons to the lay lines, and if the dragons feed on the lay lines, that wouldn’t make much sense, would it? My theory is that the ley lines are inherent to the world of Tyria, natural pathways of massed magic, not affected directly by the dragons. Of course, massive geographical changes would alter them, so in that way they are affected, but my point is that the lines do not originate from the dragons. They are just very convenient for them.

Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. Elder Dragons not only consume, but exude magic. When they’re awake, they’re consuming until there is no magic in the world. So the magic that fills the ley lines must come from somewhere – it comes from the Elder Dragons. This is rather mandatory (even if it doesn’t come solely from the Elder Dragons, magic does come from them) – whether it is immediate or not is the question.

I would also like to counter-argument your “ley lines are geographical” theory. Magic is known for being capable of going through solid mass, and can function much like radiation (see CoE story mode and Thaumanova). If it can go through solid mass, then it is only natural that it is not determined – at least not fully – by the geographical features of the world.

Tuomir.1830:

Exactly, we only know that it’s ancient, and we don’t know just how ancient it is. Therefore, I don’t exactly see the logic in your assumption that it must have been built during a low-magic era. It could have been during any of the earlier dragon risings for all we know. And even if it was built during a low-magic era, if the ley lines were the same, as stands in my theory, wouldn’t it be logical to build an important magical tower in a place where as much magic passes as possible?

Because it isn’t part of modern history. As has been established, Elder Dragons consume magikittenil there’s none left in the world. It is known that there are periods of low or no magic in the world. These periods exist from shortly before the Elder Dragons fall asleep, to quite some time after (they consume faster than they exude, it would seem, as it takes roughly 10,000 years between risings according to the Durmand Priory).

If it is not part of modern history, then it is highly likely to be either from the previous “low-magic era” or predating that before a no-magic era (when the Elder Dragons went to sleep). Given the above statement that magic by all accounts is implied to be capable of going through solid mass (or certain types), and the risings changing the geographical features of the world, then it is only logical to believe a good chance of the ley lines in modern Tyria being different from the ley lines prior and during the previous ED rise.

Does this make sense?

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Why does everybody think these ley-lines are natural? If we put the dragons together with ley-lines then it’s expectable that dragons have the initial task to consume magical concentrations and release them slowly back into nature. We have a high concentration and the dragons woke, but after they have been fed with magic. Conclusion: The ley-lines concentrate magic to keep it away from the dragons and the intersections are part of a magic flow network created by somebody (maybe more than one).

Depends on how you define ‘natural’. The ley lines are in effect the paths of magical movement in the world.

I’m not quite sure how you got to your conclusion, however.

CMstorm.8679:

With all the Elder Dragons gathering magic during their sleep, are they aware of each others’ presences in the world? Can they sense where the magic is flowing and how much of it goes?

Are they even aware while they sleep? Keep in mind that it is their champions that gather magic (at least in Jormag’s case), and while everything the minions know, the Elder Dragons know, the champions still have enough freedom in their actions to chose how to go about doing things.

CMstorm.8679:

When a dragon wakes after consuming magic, it pretty much releases all that magic back into the world then returns to its sleep right?
There’s bound to be a time when the remaining Elder Dragons will awaken after consuming all the magic there is in the world and arise at the same time. Then Tyria will pretty much be reduced to almost nothing (if I’m understanding that correctly)

The Elder Dragons release magic into the world while sleeping. While awake, the only magic they release is that which corrupts: draconic energy – otherwise they’re consuming it.

CMstorm.8679:

Are they also aware of when the flow of magic is interrupted?

Given the season 1 finale, this is likely but unconfirmed.

Tuomir.1830:

We know that when there is no more magic for the dragons to devour present, they fall into slumber. We also can assume that them waking up is a result from high levels of magic in the world. What hasn’t been examined is how they notice the difference in the amount of magic.

The easy answer would be that they just sense it, because magic. However, we’ve recently seen Mordremoth waking up as a direct result of a surge of magic through the ley line straight into it’s mouth. Also, the magic the dragons exude while sleeping seems to radiate out of their bodies, instead of flowing along the lines. So, from these points, I draw that the dragons are not the source of the ley lines, and that they slumber in places where the magic naturally flows through in order to wake up when the meal is ready.

The more likely answer is “they don’t, their champions do.” Primordus had the Great Destroyer; Jormag had Drakkar; Kralkatorrik had Glint. Three of the four more active Elder Dragons in Tyria had champions, which were awake for quite some time before they woke up. Though trapped in ice, Drakkar was awake at least 100 years prior to Jormag’s awakening if not longer; the Eye of the North manual hints that destroyers were a threat for a very long time, just as pocketed monsters (like how we see them on the surface now), hinting at the Great Destroyer being awake but biding time (then again, the Tome of Rubicon hints that it was put into hibernation unwillingly too); if not for Glint’s freedom, she may have been awake the entire time too.

Regarding “Also, the magic the dragons exude while sleeping seems to radiate out of their bodies, instead of flowing along the lines.” – but the magic would sooner or later find the lines, because they lines are not physical – they are simply the paths of least resistance.

And I wouldn’t put much stock into the magic flowing into Mordremoth’s mouth. Keep in mind that the ley line was disrupted, meaning what happens there is not common. It’s a unique, artificially created event, and we have no empirical data to say what is normally the case.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Why does everybody think these ley-lines are natural? If we put the dragons together with ley-lines then it’s expectable that dragons have the initial task to consume magical concentrations and release them slowly back into nature. We have a high concentration and the dragons woke, but after they have been fed with magic. Conclusion: The ley-lines concentrate magic to keep it away from the dragons and the intersections are part of a magic flow network created by somebody (maybe more than one).

Depends on how you define ‘natural’. The ley lines are in effect the paths of magical movement in the world.

I’m not quite sure how you got to your conclusion, however.

If the ley lines follow the path of least resistance, then the question is where do they flow to? If they flow towards the lowest concentration, then why ley lines at all or where is this place without magic? If they have a natural habit to concentrate, then again why ley lines and not a single giant magic blob (aside from no magic at other places after a certain time)? Instead, we have a floating system with intersections like a giant network.

It’s hard to define natural if we don’t know what the initial state of Tyria is, but the magical ley lines have too much magic inside while beside and outside of them nearly no magic is flowing, except they are blown up.

Takes me to Scarlet who experimented with an intersection in Thaumanova. This intersection exploded and she decided to drill the next one to cause less devastation (maybe she wanted to destroy all intersections).

Putting all arguments together with some entities that shape Tyria takes me to the conclusion that the ley lines are either not natural or dragons usually consume them and somebody is very interested to stop them from doing so.

I’d think that the answer to " why ley lines and not a single giant magic blob " is quite simple, and can be deduced from our own real life.

To be precise – currents in our oceans. It’s not the case that on Tyria magic only exists on ley lines, magic exists everywhere on Tyria.

So I think the reason for existance of ley lines in Tyria is the same as reason for existance of currents in oceans – internal tension of the magic “ocean”, causing some magic to concentrate in lines of least ressistance and flow accordingly to “mass” pressure.

While on Earth the ocean currents are responding to gravity cycles, of the moon, sun, and movement of earth itself (among other factors), I’m not going to go as far as to suplicate the metaphor that far.

Anyway, I think it’s the logical assumption to make, that ley lines can be easily explained as “currents in the ocean of magic”. I could probably come up with a mathematical way of presenting my case using known factors to show my case, but I think the metaphor gets my point across.

AFTERTHOUGHT EDIT: Actually, if my theory is correct, then Scarlet’s work with probes is given validation.

As you all know, Scarlet MUST have known about LA intersection before hand, as proven by her previous attack on LA, intending to weaken the defenses. Yes she still placed probes all over Tyria.

If the “magic ocean and ley lines being currents” theory is correct, Scarlet would have to make sure that there are no major intersection nearer to Mordremoth, and when it was proven that LA is in fact nearest, then disturbing the flow of magic in any way in that spot would inevitably cause magic to flow straight to the Dragon, without any additional calculations needed.

Pure mathematics of known factors influencing the flow of magic through Tyria would be enough to be 100% certain, that disrupting a major ley line intersection would cause the released stream of magic to flow directly to the point where the Dragon sleeps.

The only factor that could be counted in that could possibly prevent the waking of Mordremoth after disrupting LA crossing would be Thaumanova, but it blew up. Perhaps it was Scarlet’s intention all along to destroy the reactor?

zwierz.9012:

If the “magic ocean and ley lines being currents” theory is correct, Scarlet would have to make sure that there are no major intersection nearer to Mordremoth, and when it was proven that LA is in fact nearest, then disturbing the flow of magic in any way in that spot would inevitably cause magic to flow straight to the Dragon, without any additional calculations needed.

Thanks to the Thaumanova Fractal we already know that there is a closer intersection. Scarlet says something to the effect of “at least we know not to build on top of a major intersection next time” during one of her little talks.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Thaumanova was not built to utilize ley lines. And Infinite Coil Reactor is not either – the former was built to utilize chaos magic; the latter was used to utilize dragon energy.

Thaumanova, was in fact built to harness Dragonic Energy, aka Ley Lines: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Thaumanova_Reactor_Fractal read Scarlets dialogue.

I believe Scarlet did a lot more footwork than we give her credit for. That statement equates Dragonic Energy and Chaos Energy, meaning that if we accept Dragon Energy as the source of the majority of the magic in Ley Lines, Thaumanova was explicitly built for the purpose of using it, only under an assumed name.

Something I wanted to note, the whole Ley Line concept is strikingly similar to the Life Stream concept from FFVII (minus the conscience of its own, and granting that they are both based off of real world “Ley Line” theory), including the way it likes to rupture at points where large events occur. With this in mind, I wonder if the Ley Lines didn’t predate the ED’s and that they are, in fact, parasitic organisms which where introduced into Tyria in some manner.

I’ll choose copypaste last paragraph for you mate!

“The only factor that could be counted in that could possibly prevent the waking of Mordremoth after disrupting LA crossing would be Thaumanova, but it blew up. Perhaps it was Scarlet’s intention all along to destroy the reactor?”

I did think of that rather obvious hole in the theory, and did take in consideration. And BTW chaos magic that was researched in Thaumanoca is not the same as Dragon magic, and nowhere it is stated that ley lines are channel for draconic energy. It’s just magic afaik.

Horst Hortensie.5420:

If the ley lines follow the path of least resistance, then the question is where do they flow to? If they flow towards the lowest concentration, then why ley lines at all or where is this place without magic? If they have a natural habit to concentrate, then again why ley lines and not a single giant magic blob (aside from no magic at other places after a certain time)? Instead, we have a floating system with intersections like a giant network.

Ley lines don’t puddle up because it’s a continuous movement. Like wind currents, which ley lines are compared to. The ley lines circle the globe, continuously moving. If you were to mark one point in the moving magic and watch it get carried off by the ley lines while standing still, it will sooner or later return to you (we don’t know how fast magics in ley lines move, nor whether that hypothetical “single point” would change be capable of changing directions at intersections).

Magic moves, and it is this notion that causes the creation of ley lines. If it didn’t move, then it would just “puddle up” around the Elder Dragons. The natural movement of magic is what creates the ley lines.

Horst Hortensie.5420:

It’s hard to define natural if we don’t know what the initial state of Tyria is, but the magical ley lines have too much magic inside while beside and outside of them nearly no magic is flowing, except they are blown up.

How can you know that ley lines have “too much magic inside them” while outside has “nearly no magic”? Where do you draw this conclusion?

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Putting all arguments together with some entities that shape Tyria takes me to the conclusion that the ley lines are either not natural or dragons usually consume them and somebody is very interested to stop them from doing so.

I’m not seeing where you get this, and nothing indicates that “some entities shape Tyria” – the only case of shaping the world we have good enough evidence for is Elder Dragons’ geological changes, and the Six Gods terraforming. But ley lines would have existed before both (theoretically and by all current indication). I’m still not seeing how you’re reaching your conclusions. To me, your argument is sounding like:

“Because A and B, but not C, it must be H” whereas a logical theory should be “Because A and B, but not C, therefore D.” I feel there’s missing steps in your train of thought that you aren’t sharing.

zwierz.9012:

-snip “magic ocean and ley lines being currents” theory-

In Edge of the Mists, Taimi and Braham compare ley lines to wind currents. And I think in a live stream, Angel McCoy compared to ocean currents.

Syndrilious.9632:

Thanks to the Thaumanova Fractal we already know that there is a closer intersection. Scarlet says something to the effect of “at least we know not to build on top of a major intersection next time” during one of her little talks.

[…]

Thaumanova, was in fact built to harness Dragonic Energy, aka Ley Lines: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Thaumanova_Reactor_Fractal read Scarlets dialogue.

I believe Scarlet did a lot more footwork than we give her credit for. That statement equates Dragonic Energy and Chaos Energy, meaning that if we accept Dragon Energy as the source of the majority of the magic in Ley Lines, Thaumanova was explicitly built for the purpose of using it, only under an assumed name.

Erm… Wrong.

Thaumanova Reactor was built to study chaos magic. The Inquest mistook some dragon energy for chaos magic, however. Ley lines are not dragon energy. Source

“Just the basics: the facility was intended to study chaos magic, but the Inquest and their so-called “specialist,” Scarlet, pushed things in dangerous new directions."
→How so?
“They claimed there was a link between the Thaumanova’s chaos energy and Elder Dragon energy. They ramped things up past the point of safe operation, and the reactor melted down.”
→Anything else?
“Scarlet claimed to have identifies the channels that this magical energy follows as it courses in and around and through the globe. If she’s right, it could be a significant breakthrough.”

It pays to read all the dialogue.

All Scarlet said is that the Inquest labelled what was really dragon energy as “chaos magic”. Kiel’s findings explain that Thaumanova was built to study chaos magic, but the Inquest found similarities between chaos magic and dragon energy, and experimented on both. And through this experimentation, Scarlet identified the ley line network.

It’s a common misunderstanding, but a misunderstanding all the same.

Ley lines are simply the channels that magic moves, it is not full of dragon energy – which by definition, is the magic that corrupts and creates dragon minions.

Horst Hortensie.5420:

If the ley lines follow the path of least resistance, then the question is where do they flow to? If they flow towards the lowest concentration, then why ley lines at all or where is this place without magic? If they have a natural habit to concentrate, then again why ley lines and not a single giant magic blob (aside from no magic at other places after a certain time)? Instead, we have a floating system with intersections like a giant network.

My personal perspective is relatively similar to Konig’s. Basically you have a dry barren world with a few highly concentrated oceans of water located on high plateaus. The water slowly erodes it’s way out and follows paths of least resistance away from the highly concentrated water locations and down to the lowest parts of land. Originally it would likely just create slightly less concentrated blobs of water much like lakes, but as the water continues to fill out, those lakes grow larger becoming oceans. These oceans have currents. No longer are the giant blobs of water static and immobile, they are moving, flowing, due to the very nature of the water and various other environmental effects. This is how I view ley lines, both their origins and their current state. The high plateaus are all empty, or at least sealed off, but the water below continues to move and flow.

Sorry, but yes I am not sharing some insights, but I’m looking for a way to share what I found.

Tyria is a magical planet and magic has no real barrieres in the world. An ocean of magic is covering the whole world and surely there are streams and concentrations, but the ley lines seem to have more magic. The intersections have the biggest concentration, but if magic is incompatible to other magic (causing explosions), why doesn’t it mix there and randomly blow?

The drill and Thaumanova show me that there is an enormous amount of magic. Inside the drill is stated that somebody with such an amount of magic can easily rule the world, but no collector. Leads me to the conclusion that the concentration either is naturally, then we need the elder dragons to consume it and release it again, or it’s simply not natural. The currents of wind or water don’t have a huge difference in concentration in comparing to their surrounding, but the magic has?

Now let’s look at Tyria. Where is magic in the wild? There are a lot places, but even these don’t really glow in magic and they are rare. We have ancient races which lost their magic and we have younger races which didn’t even gather a lot magic. At all I cannot say that Tyria is soaked in magic to validate the rise of elder dragons and this leads me to the conclusion that the magic must be somewhere. I see it like the random Asura on Gorr’s presentation: magic just doesn’t disappear, it changes. But the question remains: Where is it now?

Towards the entities that shape Tyria. During the christmas break I wanted to understand what Scarlet wanted and the result was underwhelming. At this point I decided to finish personal story on one of my alts and stumbled across a lot strange things that I didn’t realize before or didn’t spend attention. I started to follow some of the strings that are thrown in the room, but everyone lead to a dead end. At one point I started to search and to search for the controller/creator of one entity and suddenly all started to resolve. A big war is running. A very very long war (basically a war of immortals) and we take part in this war, but just get showed us vs dragons. The war was already running in guild wars 1 and I really don’t know when it’s started or why everybody takes places where he is. There are even a lot of signs that tell me that there are invisible creatures or at least one invisble Gigantus Lupicus wandering around (maybe the one from the fractal).

Back to topic. I see the ley lines system as a global control network and the ley lines are just connector between the intersections. It surely helps to set a map up to indentify the direction they are going, but they are a little bit to static to have a natural cause.

My bad, maybe I shouldn’t post here at 3am XD

Konig Des Todes.2086:

zwierz.9012:

-snip “magic ocean and ley lines being currents” theory-

In Edge of the Mists, Taimi and Braham compare ley lines to wind currents. And I think in a live stream, Angel McCoy compared to ocean currents.

Really? I missed them saying that and sadly haven’t seen the live stream.

Oh well, thanks for clarification! And since I know I’m at least thinking on right track, then my post assumption (currents being the assumption) logic should also be correct then?

By post assumption logic I mean “knowing the factors causing magic to move we could mathematically pinpoint their location over time” not the “if it’s correct then Scarlet had logic behind placing all those probes”.

Assuming that my logic is correct, then probes were needed, and with the knowledge we have on factors infuencing ley lines (we know that they move, as Konig said we know that they are like currents, ergo they are the result of internal tension influenced by external factors, we know that Dragons are a factor pulling magic when awake, pushing when asleep. If there is anything else, I don’t know it, hence can’t count in the equation) it seems mathematically inevitable that that magic released from a ley line pressure point (intersection) being disturbed will drift towards the nearest Elder Dragon.

Yes, Thaumanova is closer, but it couldn’t be used probably because of the catastrophe, and it’s existence would not change the final destination of released magic, maybe cause it to detour, but not change it’s ultimate heading.

It’s quite simple. Released magic floats towards nearest/strongest nearby gravity field.

If you take a sheet of plastic, stretch it, and then put a lead ball somewhere on it, and then pour water on the plastic, it’s going to go towards the lead ball.

If there would be multiple lead balls, most water would go towards nearest and/or heaviest one.

Of course, we don’t know if there are other factors pushing/pulling magic in the equation, so I didn’t count them in, my math was made with couting in Dragons pulling the released magic, magic’s own impetus after release and it’s direction, and pulling forces – other intersections, (like Thaumanova for example, and sources of strong magic). In all variables except for three the math indicates that magic would hit Mordremoth when released from LA.

The variables that COULD provide a different result: A – initial direction of ley line burst would be east (any other direction causes dragon feeding time).
B – Burst’s impetus would be by far greater than Dragons pulling force, AND it would head in a direction other than west/south west/north west.
C – Another Elder Dragon would be closer OR would be pulling magic with far greater force than Mordremoth.