Guild Wars 2

I just noticed something and I’m surprised no one else has brought this up yet, but don’t you think that worshiping the Destroyers might unconsciously turn the Flame Legion into minions of Primordus? Granted, they either don’t know of the Elder Dragons or don’t care, but it seems quite likely that once it becomes clear to them who is behind their “gods” they would become similar to the Sons of Svanir. Or they could even get unconsciously corrupted by using Destroyer magic. What the Flame Legion does to the landscape already looks quite similar to Elder Dragon corruption. Their shamans already look strange, being apparently completely furless, with glowing red eyes and limbs that look like they are made of molten rock.

The one thing that speaks against this theory is the fact that Primordus seems to corrupt only non-living things. However, it could be possible that the use of his magic somehow has a bad influence on the Flame Legion. Notice how only the magic users look kind of corrupted? Maybe Primordus doesn’t even notice that he’s turning them into his minions. The Flame Legion themselves certainly don’t seem to know the full scope of what they’re tapping into. I’ll certainly be looking forward to any development in this direction.

Any thoughts on this?

Pretty sure the Flame Legion worships one of their own as a living god…?

That is a good point, (F)Lame Legion casters do have some serious mutation going on.
Considering their original ‘gods’ are dead, then who’s modifying those silly catboys?

Although Oglaf might have made a good tie-in point, by accident. Baelfire could be personally tainted, and passing the fun over to his subordinates.

I don’t think they draw their powers from the Destroyers. They’re just Elementalists who use fire magic. I think their appearance might be caused by self-mutilation and magic, not corruption.

Well, they at least used to worship the Destroyers and there’s not really any evidence that they stopped. Sure, Baelfire is there, but who says that he’s not somehow corrupted?

Dragon worshipers tend to be very vocal about who they support. I’d imagine that it would also be harder to use a dragon’s power while it was awake without its knowledge (seeing as the flame legion uses it on such a large scale.) Also, from what we’ve seen of Primordus, he doesn’t really give power, rather, he simply destroys. It seems like Primordus would sooner destroy the flame legion than give them strength.

Well according to the Wiki, Baelfire is himself regarded as the new Flame Legion God. However I’m having a difficult time navigating the reference links to confirm this. So if it’s true, then no, it’d mean that the Flame Legion no longer worship Destroyers.

However, that being said, I do still feel Primordius is somehow involved with the Flame Legion. For a couple of reasons:

1) Their Shamans are by no means, ‘normal’. They are not simply elementalists, something has changed them. In the last 250 years, the Shamans of the Flame Legion have discovered something to effect their physiology. I think this could be some form of Dragon Corruption being manifested, but without more info this is speculation that’s being drawn in conjunction with point 2.

2) The Flame Legion have very distinctive structures, and following the theme of corruption, these buildings tend to be formed of some kind of volcanic, heated rock. These buildings in themselves follow similar patterns to those formed of Corrupted Ice, and only appear where the Flame Legion are. I really doubt this is coincidence.

Now yes, I am fully aware that currently there is no evidence that Primordius corrupts fleshy things. However, I would like to counterpoint it with we know so very little about Primordius. We know he has Destroyers. We know he’s underground. We know the Dwarves are fighting against him at this moment in time. That’s it. We genuinely don’t even know how he makes Destroyers, or why they’re parodying living creatures like crabs and trolls.

Regardless of whether or not Flame Legion shamans are servants of a dragon, they are not normal. My personal theory is that Bhaelfire somehow became a Dragon Champion to Primordius, unfortunately I got no proof to back this up, but it’s what my gut is telling me.

oneinfinity.9406:

I just noticed something and I’m surprised no one else has brought this up yet, but don’t you think that worshiping the Destroyers might unconsciously turn the Flame Legion into minions of Primordus? Granted, they either don’t know of the Elder Dragons or don’t care, but it seems quite likely that once it becomes clear to them who is behind their “gods” they would become similar to the Sons of Svanir. Or they could even get unconsciously corrupted by using Destroyer magic. What the Flame Legion does to the landscape already looks quite similar to Elder Dragon corruption. Their shamans already look strange, being apparently completely furless, with glowing red eyes and limbs that look like they are made of molten rock.

The one thing that speaks against this theory is the fact that Primordus seems to corrupt only non-living things. However, it could be possible that the use of his magic somehow has a bad influence on the Flame Legion. Notice how only the magic users look kind of corrupted? Maybe Primordus doesn’t even notice that he’s turning them into his minions. The Flame Legion themselves certainly don’t seem to know the full scope of what they’re tapping into. I’ll certainly be looking forward to any development in this direction.

Any thoughts on this?

The two things that go against this are that first, Flame Legion doesn’t worship outside forces anymore. They learned their lesson. They worship a charr named Gaheron as their God. Also, in terms of the Shamans having no hair and molten limbs, it’s specifically mentioned at some point in the game that they go through rituals to mutilate their bodies—so the rituals would account for that.

As I suspected.

You folks should play through Citadel of Flames and read Fireheart Rise skill challenges.

Baelfire, the Flame Legion imperator, is/was attempting to become a god – though how is never really stated, he does have a fiery-giant form that he takes on.

An in old interview, Ree (I think) stated that though the Flame Legion are still attempting to enforce religion on all charr, they’ve learned their lesson about worshipping external beings (aka, destroyers and titans). I’ve speculated for some time in the past that they’re intending to siphon power from Primordus to effectively make their own dragon champion aka god, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.

The shamans, as Weindrasi said, develop a fiery look via rituals of self-mutilation. These same – or rather, similar – rituals are seen during the Traitorous Shaman charr sire storyline, where they enforce rituals that turns prisoners into Embers (aka fire elementals) and one of them sacrifices himself to empower a Charr Effigy.

Shourded in acrid smoke and igneous heat, this is the site of fiery self-mutilation rituals performed by members of the Godforged – a Flame Legion sect dedicated to the deification of Gaheron Baelfire.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Burning_Forest – on the self-mutiliations

It does appear to me that they’ve siphoned power from Kralkatorrik, at least in the past, to imbue their Searing Cauldrons with his power – the Searing Crystals look like dulled (aka weaker) Branded crystals. And the Searing Effigy fought during one of the CoF explorable paths also has purple fire of the same shade and hue as branded creatures’ attacks.

Gaheron’s “god form” may be tied to Primordus, though there’s no real hints to any ties to destroyers or Primordus one way or another. However, something to note is that the Pact is interested in the Flame Legion – and they’re only interested in Elder Dragons. Though the introduction for Citadel of Flame story dungeon is that the Flame Legion supposedly has a weapon which could be used against the Elder Dragons which the Pact is interested in, there’s never mention of what this weapon actually is (the transformation? the Eternal Flame which is used in attempt to resurrect Gaheron? the Searing Effigy?), and the methods of “self-mutilating rituals” are never really elaborated – though the fact that they produce Embers rather than destroyers says something about its nature being non-dragon corruption. Either way, Gaheron’s too self-intelligent and pro-Flame Legion to be a dragon champion – his mentality just doesn’t fit.

Ratphink.4751:

2) The Flame Legion have very distinctive structures, and following the theme of corruption, these buildings tend to be formed of some kind of volcanic, heated rock. These buildings in themselves follow similar patterns to those formed of Corrupted Ice, and only appear where the Flame Legion are. I really doubt this is coincidence.

Corrupted ice? No, it looks nothing like that.

However, there are jagged rocks of the Dragonbrand which share the exact model – except the Dragonbrand version is darker (black ground) with purple glow, rather than charred/brown/burnt land/rocks with an orange fiery glow. However, this in of itself doesn’t say much, as much of the Dragonbrand looks like it was super-heated (thus burned) as it was corrupted.

Ratphink.4751:

We genuinely don’t even know how he makes Destroyers, or why they’re parodying living creatures like crabs and trolls.

While we don’t know why Primordus prefers mimicing living creatures rather than corrupting them, we do know how Destroyers are made – read Edge of Destiny. It explicitly shows (or describes, rather) destroyers being slowly formed together in pools of lava – effectively, they’re created by conjoining rocks and lava in lava-based “spawning pools.”