Redundant Sasquatch – 80 Warrior – [aYe] – HoD
The Identity of the Entity
The Mursaat phased out of the world in order to escape the dragons, I don’t think Lazarus, even hellbent on revenge, would be willing to interact at all with an Elder Dragon or orchestrate events which would bring about the destruction of Tyria.
To go even further into the realms of sci-fi/fantasy/steampunk/whatever, the identity of the Entity is revealed to be…… the Steam Brain!
Dun~Dun~Duuuuunnnn!
j/k
The Mursaat phased out of the world in order to escape the dragons, I don’t think Lazarus, even hellbent on revenge, would be willing to interact at all with an Elder Dragon or orchestrate events which would bring about the destruction of Tyria.
Depending on just how angry he is, he might be willing to do it is there is a good chance of them destroying each other. Still one hell of a risk, but I doubt he has much to live for now, other than revenge.
Lazarus says “Countless generations” will suffer. The Dragons aren’t really a great way of achieving that, since they kind of just wipe everything out. If you want to make countless generations suffer you enslave them or something horrific like that. Also dead people don’t suffer, if you want to make someone suffer you keep them alive but in poor condition, rather than calling forth a Dragon that just kills them or corrupts them or whatever.
He forces the confrontation between the races and multiple Elder Dragons, makes it so that the allied races suffer major loses, and then he pulls some strings and maybe helps them from the shadows to kill the remaining Elder Dragons. That way, as you said, he could just enslave the weakened survivors afterwards and make the countless future generations suffer.
Except the Mursaat have shown no desire to aid in killing the Elder Dragons presumably because they don’t think it can really be done. He would just phase out of the world like they did last time, why on earth would he help the other races – even if it meant he could make them suffer later. No make sense.
Except the Mursaat have shown no desire to aid in killing the Elder Dragons presumably because they don’t think it can really be done. He would just phase out of the world like they did last time, why on earth would he help the other races – even if it meant he could make them suffer later. No make sense.
How is waking up another one so it can rampage about helping?
Redundant Sasquatch – 80 Warrior – [aYe] – HoD
Except the Mursaat have shown no desire to aid in killing the Elder Dragons presumably because they don’t think it can really be done. He would just phase out of the world like they did last time, why on earth would he help the other races – even if it meant he could make them suffer later. No make sense.
How is waking up another one so it can rampage about helping?
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What could a Mursaat do to be so a part of Tyria that their machinations are visible in the Eternal Alchemy.
The Blood Thorn theory seems to have no peer.
Assuming, for the moment, that Lazarus is still around- remember that we don’t even have a point of reference for a mursaat’s lifespan- then it might well be that he can’t phase out anymore. Remember, the whole reason that he swore revenge is that we managed to somehow turn his own power against him.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
Assuming, for the moment, that Lazarus is still around- remember that we don’t even have a point of reference for a mursaat’s lifespan- then it might well be that he can’t phase out anymore. Remember, the whole reason that he swore revenge is that we managed to somehow turn his own power against him.
I read about that on the wiki, one of his portions of self was destroyed or somethin’. I imagine that would be detrimental to his power, but I didn’t think about how it would affect his abilities.
Without a doubt, he’s still around, though. Likely his Agony ability is terminated, though.
Except the Mursaat have shown no desire to aid in killing the Elder Dragons presumably because they don’t think it can really be done. He would just phase out of the world like they did last time, why on earth would he help the other races – even if it meant he could make them suffer later. No make sense.
Because the Elder Dragons are a much bigger threat to his existence than the other races are? “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Or in his case, “The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but I will let it slide… for now”
And if he’s still around, the other races proved the Mursaat’s assumption wrong when they took down Zhaitan. That leaves him with a golden opportunity. Here are multiple huge threats to his existence, and here are his enemies throwing themselves life and limb at the problem to take them down.
Why wouldn’t he want to exploit that situation?
Assuming, for the moment, that Lazarus is still around- remember that we don’t even have a point of reference for a mursaat’s lifespan- then it might well be that he can’t phase out anymore. Remember, the whole reason that he swore revenge is that we managed to somehow turn his own power against him.
I read about that on the wiki, one of his portions of self was destroyed or somethin’. I imagine that would be detrimental to his power, but I didn’t think about how it would affect his abilities.
More or less. For all intents and purposes, we poisoned a part of his power, so that when he reclaimed it it somehow turned on him. We don’t yet know what effect this had, since he promptly fled and hasn’t been seen since, but it’s within the realm of possibility that his magics were hobbled in some way.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
Assuming, for the moment, that Lazarus is still around- remember that we don’t even have a point of reference for a mursaat’s lifespan- then it might well be that he can’t phase out anymore. Remember, the whole reason that he swore revenge is that we managed to somehow turn his own power against him.
I read about that on the wiki, one of his portions of self was destroyed or somethin’. I imagine that would be detrimental to his power, but I didn’t think about how it would affect his abilities.
More or less. For all intents and purposes, we poisoned a part of his power, so that when he reclaimed it it somehow turned on him. We don’t yet know what effect this had, since he promptly fled and hasn’t been seen since, but it’s within the realm of possibility that his magics were hobbled in some way.
Whatever he has planned, it must be terrible to behold; not a word for 252 years. Or, like you mention, he has to be extremely cautious with his moves.
Except the Mursaat have shown no desire to aid in killing the Elder Dragons presumably because they don’t think it can really be done. He would just phase out of the world like they did last time, why on earth would he help the other races – even if it meant he could make them suffer later. No make sense.
Because the Elder Dragons are a much bigger threat to his existence than the other races are? “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Or in his case, “The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but I will let it slide… for now”
And if he’s still around, the other races proved the Mursaat’s assumption wrong when they took down Zhaitan. That leaves him with a golden opportunity. Here are multiple huge threats to his existence, and here are his enemies throwing themselves life and limb at the problem to take them down.
Why wouldn’t he want to exploit that situation?
Because last time the Mursaat were faced with the choice between hiding or staying to help the other races, or helping the other races hide, and they just left. He isn’t going to help them when historically he has no reason to. The dragons as a threat can be avoided and it’s been 250 years you’d presume he isn’t still incredibly weak.
As for the other races proving the Mursaat wrong, that’s not necessarily true, we have no idea really how the cycles work and it is entirely possible Zhaitan will simply be replaced? Who knows. And what proof is there for him that Zhaitan is truly dead? Maybe he would just think that like the last cycle the current races had managed to put Zhaitan to sleep.
As to exploiting the situation, simply leaving them to deal with the dragons WOULD be exploiting, or at least making the most of, the situation. Regardless of whether or not he interferes the Dragons are going to be wreaking havoc on Tyria for quite some time, he gains nothing by speeding that up. If he wants to take out revenge on countless generations of humanity he is going to want to do it personally and he would most likely want them to know it was him – you get the pleasure from watching people know that you are exacting your revenge, not from hiding in the shadows watching them think something else is responsible for what is happening. If you’re going to be evil then you have to do it right.
GW2 is pretty much absent of any clues for the Mursaat doing anything. If they were going to be main protagonists in the story then there would be more clues seeded into the Living Story right now. For example, Mr E. has effectively done nothing of interest but he is being introduced already as a character. Even if the Mursaat are notionally extinct we would be shown some ruins, artifacts, poetry, or anything else to introduce them to GW2 players.
Even if the Mursaat are notionally extinct we would be shown some ruins, artifacts, poetry, or anything else to introduce them to GW2 players.
We are shown some things, but it is a relatively small amount. e.g. the Mursaat stuff in Arah explorable, the Mursaat artefacts in the Vizier’s tower, Mursaat objects in the Bazaar of the Four Winds, the ‘Ruins of the Unseen’ area in Caledon is a ruiend White Mantle temple, etc.
But I completely agree with you, if the Mursaat were in any way going to be involved with the current story it would have been hinted at. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.
Lazarus might also be the last Mursaat alive. If you’re the last of your kind, and revenge is all you have left, why NOT burn down the world around you as your funeral pyre?
Lazarus might also be the last Mursaat alive. If you’re the last of your kind, and revenge is all you have left, why NOT burn down the world around you as your funeral pyre?
They appear to be an immortal species, so he probably likes living. I know if I was immortal, I wouldn’t just burn everything around me as a last laugh, I want to laugh forever. Especially if I just had a sip of subservient, religious fanatics.
So, Lazarus has limited resources, a ton of time on his hands, and is extremely angry. Where would I hide?
Because last time the Mursaat were faced with the choice between hiding or staying to help the other races, or helping the other races hide, and they just left. He isn’t going to help them when historically he has no reason to. The dragons as a threat can be avoided and it’s been 250 years you’d presume he isn’t still incredibly weak.
Yet we don’t know how their phasing ability fully works, because if every single Mursaat had to ability to fully phase out of Tyria on their own on whim or when they are in danger to protect themselves, why didn’t they abuse that ability more in gw1? It could have at least saved their race from genocide by the hands of the player and Titans.
If Lazarus was stuck on Tyria, because he lost his full phasing capabilities for whatever reason, he would be forced to protect himself from the Elder Dragons. He might be invisible, but that in no way protects him from any sort of damage or the threat of corruption at all.
As for the other races proving the Mursaat wrong, that’s not necessarily true, we have no idea really how the cycles work and it is entirely possible Zhaitan will simply be replaced? Who knows. And what proof is there for him that Zhaitan is truly dead? Maybe he would just think that like the last cycle the current races had managed to put Zhaitan to sleep.
Even if he doesn’t believe they killed Zhaitan, he still knows the other races can still take an Elder Dragon down and slowly cull its forces. We aren’t sure if the Zhaitan problem is solved, but its an example that the problem can at least be dealt with. Which is a huge step up from hiding in a corner until the monsters go away.
As to exploiting the situation, simply leaving them to deal with the dragons WOULD be exploiting, or at least making the most of, the situation. Regardless of whether or not he interferes the Dragons are going to be wreaking havoc on Tyria for quite some time, he gains nothing by speeding that up. If he wants to take out revenge on countless generations of humanity he is going to want to do it personally and he would most likely want them to know it was him – you get the pleasure from watching people know that you are exacting your revenge, not from hiding in the shadows watching them think something else is responsible for what is happening. If you’re going to be evil then you have to do it right.
Which still hinges on the theory that Lazarus can still fully phase out of Tyria.
And there is a great deal he could gain by speeding it up. The Elder Dragons, from what we seen anyway, seem to be naturally slow. They are devastating, but they don’t seem to be quick to rush anything. They seem content to sit on their claimed land and slowly expand it.
If the other races are allowed to recover before each bout with the next Elder Dragon, that makes them all that much stronger. They rally their forces, gather resources, but more importantly they expand on and improve their technology and magic at an accelerated rate . Which is the biggest threat to him from the other races.
Once they reach a certain point, Lazarus could be deemed a non-threat, because he could be easily detected and killed. The only thing going in his favor at the moment is his magical might, knowledge, and the fact he’s invisible and “unseen”. If he ever makes himself known in a grand way, that will paint a huge target on his back, because you know at least the Shining Blade would be after him.
If he can force confrontations between the other races and the Elder Dragons, and possibly control some of the circumstances, he can deal with his Elder Dragon problem as well as cripple and drain resources from the other races.