The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Infamous Darkness.3284

Infamous Darkness.3284

We will begin here Spider’s heart this location seemed to still glow or “beat” perhaps this is the first sign that these beasts aren’t dead but similar to the elder dragons were just sleeping. Arachnia was the name in the dat file I believe, these are the other locations (Vale of Shadows,Harvestmans Lair,Arachnia Plateau) that shows signs of life through the sounds of scurrying, webbing and ground (underside of a spider) that sighs when tread upon as if it were still breathing. Then we also have a few locations that aren’t directly noted on the wiki but could possibly be related (Devourer’s Maw seems as this and areas in the stygian veil and the dreadspawn maw itself could possibly be related to spiders as parts of their cheliceral teeth. Leech Tunnels although the leech tunnels could be more about what happens there rather than being related to the insect leeches) There is also “large insect-like Margonite being sticking out of a mountain near the exit to the Gate of Secrets.” directly from the wiki, to this I couldn’t find a picture or see it when I went out there myself to check but I did see a praying mantis type being that was very large (probably similar size to what we saw primordius to be in guild wars 1). there is also a grasshopper looking thing a little ways off but it is substantially smaller, and all of these are found in the domain of fear.

Now to guild wars 2 in the now removed path of TA Fyonna’s dialogue at the end she said Fyonna: “But my children sing to me. Listen.” Fyonna: “They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family. As their mother, I have to grant them their wish.” She was the countess of spiders, and while fighting her in the UP path she transforms into a massive spider during part of the fight. Also these insect/arachnid gods are related to nightfall in GW1 while in guild wars 2 Fyonna Countess of spiders is trying to turn the dream to nightmare in GW2, possibly the first step to awakening these gods. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Domain_of_Fear.jpg This picture is good here as I believe it to show more that just possible spider legs but if you look off into the clouds you may see a shape that looks much like a scorpion’s tail and stinger. perhaps Fyonna was much like a Varesh Ossa or the great destroyer in trying to wake up or free their deity, but she was killed before she could make as much headway as the other two did, but this doesn’t mean that these great beasts won’t awaken again, but perhaps their time has been delayed a bit.

A lot of this theory reaches a bit but hopefully you enjoyed it, please point out problem with the theory or ideas to further it or whatever…thanks for reading.

Infamous Culverin(engi[Main]), one of every other class.
Karl Marx: “Go away! Last words are for fools who haven’t said enough!”

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: FlamingFoxx.1305

FlamingFoxx.1305

First problem – you’re going off things that were in the GW1.dat and were never actually mentioned in game thus we can’t treat them as canon.

Second problem – Guild Wars 2 is a separate game to Guild Wars 1 and there have been changes made to the lore, or at least ‘revelations’ on how things that were previously thought fact were wrong.

Third problem – You’re dealing with things found inside the Realm of Torment, which is of course separate to Tyria itself. There are most likely tons of things that exist within realms within the mist that will never have any bearing whatsoever on the GW universe or lore. The Realm of Torment was initially Abaddons prison before his influence spread through it – so yeah maybe once there were spider gods that ruled the Realm of Torment – but I’m not really sure what relevance they would hold over GW2?

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Infamous Darkness.3284

Infamous Darkness.3284

1) Yes they were in the dat but they were actually landmarks ingame as well, if I remember correctly the spiders heart landmarked pulsed or glowed red in an area when you got near to it. so it could still have some effect on GW2.

2) Yes that is a possibility

3) “The Realm of Torment was initially Abaddons prison before his influence spread through it”, but it seems that this statement “It has become a place where individuals of twisted evil or corruption are banished to spend eternity in torment” seems to say otherwise, I believe they are both from the Nightfall manuscript, but I’m unsure. The thing that I was supposing I guess would be if the dragons in GW2 are a force that lies dormant until they awaken and feed off of magic in the physical world of Tyria, what if something similar was needed in a way to regulate magic in the mists, and what if these Insect/Arachnid creatures are the being that consume magic in the mists (I know its a gigantic leap).

Infamous Culverin(engi[Main]), one of every other class.
Karl Marx: “Go away! Last words are for fools who haven’t said enough!”

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

The area believed to be the Spider’s Heart was just a spot of brighter land and was blue, not red. The red spot looked more like a mouth of sorts and was the entryway into the Gate of Secrets atop the upsidedown spider like plateau which was believed to be Arachnia Plateau.

The Realm of Torment was originally Abaddon’s realm – like the Underworld was Dhuum’s then Grenth’s. It became Abaddon’s prison and afterwards, presumably, became Kormir’s realm.

As to the supposed Arachnia and the “gods of insectoid beings” being akin to the Elder Dragons in function – there’s no reason to believe such. Elder Dragons and gods are vastly different things, as “god” in definition of the GWverse in terms of the known physical gods hold indestructible magic – whether this is true for any god outside the Six Gods is unknown, but then again it is unknown if there even are gods outside of the Six Gods. Besides this, Arachnia and these other gods of insectoid beings are said to be long-dead, their corpses being within the Realm of Torment.

Besides, the Mists does not seem to hold magic. Or rather, it may but the Mists themselves are just protomatter and holds chunks of reality made from said protomatter; magic would be made from said protomatter too. There would be no need to regulate magic because it would be constantly made and, since magic is not infinite, used. Unlike on Tyria where we have no knowledge of it being renewable or being used fast enough.

Perhaps the underuse of magic in the Mists is what causes those chunks of reality to form, thus a regulation of magic would in fact make the Mists less of what they are. But it is pure theorycrafting and you might as well say that Balthazar was wearing a tutu while he decapitated his father – you have equal chances of being right in either case.

As to Fyonna – I see no relation, honestly. And I don’t think she simply transformed into a spider. I think the point was that a spider ate her or burst forth from within her (as it is said she stored her spider “babies” within her body). Sadly I never got a fight with her which wasn’t “pull her into the tunnel and stack on her!” so I could never see animations for it well.

To Fyonna trying to “wake” deities – again, I’d point to the fact that everything about these gods of insectoid beings is that they are dead. Not sleeping like the Elder Dragons nor imprisoned like Abaddon, but dead. And that pretty much says “no” to your theory like a giant brick wall.

And that’s even asuming Arachnia and the insectoid beings’ gods (nothing really says the gods are insectoid themselves, btw – or that the spider goddess Arachnia and the gods of insectoid beings are related) are canon.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Eluveitie.1290

Eluveitie.1290

@ Konig

Fyonna simply transforms into the spider, and can switch back to her normal form again, and then again to spider form. So she’s probably just using transformation magic to attain such form at will.

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Rym.1469

Rym.1469

Well, I think seeing some big kitten Spider God or such would be approved by players imo, with good mechanics, for some better fight.

But honestly, we’re at the point when any true content with actual new stuff would be welcomed by players…

[rude]Antagonistka – Revenant, EU.
[SALT]Natchniony – Necromancer, EU.
Streams: http://www.twitch.tv/rym144

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Bellyboomer.3048

Bellyboomer.3048

I’m glad I see this thread, I once saw the topic and recently I found myself wondering about the gods. Since I barely played gw1, I never experienced this up close.

Even though there isn’t a large chance these deities will come to life again, I’d love to see anet going back to this, even it was only a little hint that got us back on the edge of our chairs. An abandoned altar in the crystal desert or a small mention in the durmand priory… I’d be as exited to see this as to see what’s inside the wizards tower.

Btw: when I was reading the original post, I thought of: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Risen_Spider_Lord
But yeah, Konig has you by the balls again, like he does with everything on this forum

The Insect/Arachnid gods Theory

in Lore

Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

But yeah, Konig has you by the balls again, like he does with everything on this forum

Wuh? Buh? Er… Sorry, but my boat does not float that way.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.