Guild Wars 2

I’m probably just grasping at straws, but having been doing the personal storyline missions in the Straits of Devastation and also doing the Vizier’s Tower jumping puzzle I was kind of struck by something.

During the Temple of the Forgotten God PS you meet Sayeh al’Rajihd who is going to accompany you on an investigation into the sunken temple of Abaddon. At one point during the conversation she says " I live according to the dictates of the Tethyos Compact, with honor and without mercy".
- When I did the Vizier’s Tower JP up the top there is a mural of Abaddon and of course the inscription is “act with magic, act within reason, act without mercy”.
Like I said I’m probably just grasping at straws, but it seems possible that there is some kind of link between the largos and Abaddon.

I think it’s important to note that I’m not trying to say Abaddon is not dead or anything silly of the sort – more that it could point to the possibility of the largos having been followers of Abaddon at some point? In the following PS Sayeh does say “There are mysteries within that normally would appeal to me, but pursuing them has never had a clear benefit… until now.”, but of course that isn’t very conclusive and there could be any number of reasons for her to have an interest.

Looks like we have an abundance of potential links to Abaddon that most likely will never be exploited. Basicly anything that relates to the deep seas and the creatures originating from there can be linked to him, seeing how he was originally the god of the depths, seas, oceans and secrets. That, or the deep sea dragon. I would still love if the story would get into that direction if/when we finally go against Bubbles.

lakdav.3694:

Looks like we have an abundance of potential links to Abaddon that most likely will never be exploited. Basicly anything that relates to the deep seas and the creatures originating from there can be linked to him, seeing how he was originally the god of the depths, seas, oceans and secrets. That, or the deep sea dragon. I would still love if the story would get into that direction if/when we finally go against Bubbles.

“god of the depths, seas, oceans and secrets. "
Source? He was the god of water and secrets, and I think that at one point it was truth or knowledge rather than secrets. But just because he’s the god of water doesn’t necessarily mean he is the god of depths, seas and oceans.

Its not that much of a logical leap. He was worshipped by the sea-faring margonites. His domain was the Crystal Sea (later dried up and became the Crystal Desert). The connection between water and secrets, as i see it, would be that the deep seas and the depths of oceans are mysterious and for the most part for humans of that age, unreachable and full of secrets.

If thats not convincing, the temple of Abaddon is called “Cathedral of Hidden Depths” in the Straits of Devastation. If that doesnt link water, secrets, depths and seas to you, i have nothing more.

lakdav.3694:

Its not that much of a logical leap. He was worshipped by the sea-faring margonites. His domain was the Crystal Sea (later dried up and became the Crystal Desert). The connection between water and secrets, as i see it, would be that the deep seas and the depths of oceans are mysterious and for the most part for humans of that age, unreachable and full of secrets.

If thats not convincing, the temple of Abaddon is called “Cathedral of Hidden Depths” in the Straits of Devastation. If that doesnt link water, secrets, depths and seas to you, i have nothing more.

There is a difference between a link and a fact though.
I was under the impression that it was called the Cathedral of Hidden Depths because it had sunk long ago – before the sinking of Orr

The Crystal Sea was the domain of the Margonites – not of Abaddon. The God’s lived in Arah and the Crystal Sea was turned into a desert when Abaddon was struck down at the Mouth of Torment.

As to the secrets part I’m pretty sure that is more to do with knowledge, rather than being intricately bound up with the notion of depths. I don’t think there has to be a link between the things the gods hold dominion over. Look at Lyssa for example, she gained water after Abaddon was cast down from the Pantheon and whilst you can connect water with beauty and illusion you are using connotations rather than denotations to do so.

I suppose i just like things to make sense, to things under the same name have some sort of connection. THats how my mind works i guess. I suppose people in general who want to explain things they dont understand and look for the working of gods as an explanation would do something similar, and connect the most feasable dots with less evidence and more faith/hope that they are praying to the right god.

And to note, Abaddon was the god of secrets. He is noted as such throughout Nightfall. Kormir took his place, and became the goddes of truth and knowledge. Just like Abaddon’s essence, power and knowledge is somewhere in Kormir, truths and knowledge hold the potential and the chance to be secrets. Thats the transition of aspects when divine power finds a new host. Its full of connotations. If it was all denotation, there would be no difference between the two whatsoever.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

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I have a few theories on the largos myself, the main one is that they share origins with humanity. Reason for this is many, but I won’t delve off-topic. But in short: their naming, their culture, and their physiology is too similar to things related to humanity or the Six Gods to ignore.

But them worshiping Abaddon? Possible, though I wouldn’t limit it to just Abaddon. Sayeh’s mention of going into the temple likely relates to her apparent interest in lore and history – it’s not obvious, but her knowledge of the Orrian writing, her knowledge on the Blue Orb, and her apparent understanding of other cultures (if she had not had ample interaction with other cultures, she should find them odd and strange that they do not do the same that she does – then again, this is an aspect that is very lacking overall throughout the game and seems to apply only to the norn).

FlamingFoxx.1305:

“god of the depths, seas, oceans and secrets. "
Source? He was the god of water and secrets, and I think that at one point it was truth or knowledge rather than secrets. But just because he’s the god of water doesn’t necessarily mean he is the god of depths, seas and oceans.

He was originally called the “chief deity of water and wisdom” in pre-release Asian lore documents. Then there’s was Jadoth’s call out to Abaddon, calling him the “Lord of the Everlasting Depths, Keeper of Secrets.”

I don’t think he was ever explicitly called a “god of seas and oceans” but those are just extensions of him being the god of water.

[quote=3323096;lakdav.3694:And to note, Abaddon was the god of secrets. He is noted as such throughout Nightfall. Kormir took his place, and became the goddes of truth and knowledge. Just like Abaddon’s essence, power and knowledge is somewhere in Kormir, truths and knowledge hold the potential and the chance to be secrets. Thats the transition of aspects when divine power finds a new host. Its full of connotations. If it was all denotation, there would be no difference between the two whatsoever.[/quote]I just want to note that, originally, Kormir was called the goddess of truth, secrets, and knowledge. Usually just “goddess of secrets” or “goddess of truth and knowledge” (or the latter, split).

Interesting, thanks Konig.