The Mursaats 'betrayal'

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Posted by: stockgoose.7698

stockgoose.7698

So i have a theory concerning the mursaats so called betrayal of the other ancient races, we are lead to believe that instead of giving their magic to the blood stone they instead ran to the mists in hiding later returning to war with the mursaat and generally do horrible things or so we’re told however i believe that the mursaat simply had a disagreement with the ancient races about weather or not the bloodstones would be effective. So basically the theory goes the mursaat deeming it futile to try and persuade the other races they decided to run and save themselves and upon returning to tyria and seeing the destruction they believed they could have stopped they go to war with the seers placing the blame for tyrias destruction on them, and as for the rest of what the mursaat did in gw1 and what not that was again for self preservation not because theyre inherently horrible beings.

sorry for the terrible grammer and any mistakes but i think its an interesting take on the lore.

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Posted by: castlemanic.3198

castlemanic.3198

I… doubt that the mursaat would wage war because they thought the seers were responsible for the destruction of tyria. It’s an interesting theory but everything that we know about the mursaat kind of debunks that already.

Just going with your theory, why would the mursaat run away if they wanted to save the other races, and then wage war with the survivors if they were trying to save them in the first place. That’s some mixed up thinking. “Hey, we wanted you to survive and you did! But you did it the wrong way so now war!”

Then we get to everything that happened in guild wars 1.

First, lets go with the bonus mission pack with saul d’lessio. In the mission pack (and I also believe through other material) we learn that Saul was a drunk, a gambler and a thief. he gets caught and exiled, walks into the desert and finds the mursaat, who portray themselves as these “unseen gods”. He comes back, rallies kryta around these new gods and also successfully manages to repel the invading charr. The mursaat step in, murder most of the existing white mantle who were not seen as ‘devout enough’ and THEN take Saul away (because at that moment Saul realised how evil they could be), leaving the most devout to spread the word that Saul died heroically in battle. Eventually Saul becomes a martyr and, as of the Bastion of the Penitent, we know what happens to him.

THEN we get to the war on kryta. The mursaat are still these unseen gods, requiring the sacrifice of people chosen by the Eye of Janthir. Dubbed the ‘Chosen’, they are brought to the bloodstone and ritualistically sacrificed to keep the door of Kormalie shut. Keep in mind that all of this is played low key, for all the populace of kryta know, the chosen are going to some sort of paradise and are never heard from again. The higher ups of the white mantle know this and still follow through with the murders. The mursaat aren’t going around, in the open, saying “yo homies, we need your help to keep the door of kormalie closed because titans”. Also, the mursaat didn’t sacrifice their own to keep the door closed either. If the mursaat were benevolent, they’d be willing to not only be honest to the people of kryta about what’s going on, they’d actively be educating people why this needed to happen. So yeah they were pretty selfish about it.

Then the door of kormalie is opened, the titans clean mursaat house, and we don’t know how many mursaat survived. THEN there were a handful of mursaat, still leading the white mantle mind you, commanding an attack on lion’s arch. If they were good instead of evil, there’d be no reason to attack lion’s arch. Everything that’s happened so far just proves that the race is selfish and not kind.

THEN we get to the Lazarus thing. Lazarus imbued a handful of individuals with his essence to protect himself from the titans. Lazarus then extracts these essences, causing the deaths of those he took back his essences from. Now this is a sample size of one, but considering everything else, this is just further proof that the mursaat are, as a whole, pretty selfish to the point of exploiting others. I’m SURE that there could have been a safer way of importing the essences onto individuals without requiring their deaths (or, as we later learned, importing his essences into objects instead of people which he did), but he didn’t care. In fact, when on justicar of the white mantle seeks the help of an asura to remove the essence, the asura can’t remove it but he corrupts it. When lazarus returns and kills the justicar to take back his essence, he finds his own power turning on himself. He then basically says that generations will suffer for that act.

All evidence points to the mursaat just being all around malicious. They may not be mustache-twirling evil, or so one dimensionally evil like the krait, but they definitely don’t care about any race other than their own.

Also the bastion of the penitent further proves that the mursaat are pretty malevolent.

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Posted by: stockgoose.7698

stockgoose.7698

Hey sorry mate i think you may have misunderstood what i’m trying to say i don’t think they good or bad well actually id wager they are more bad than good but what i’m saying is i believe they wanted to fight the elder dragons how we are now but the other races wanted to hide initially with the bloodstones so they were forced to flee into the mists then upon returning going to war with the seers i think makes perfect sense if you take them to be a selfish race then just seeing the destruction of their empire would to me be reason enough to go to war either out of anger or seeing opportunity to rebuild stronger the theory is basically just on the idea of their betrayal i don’t think its as simple as they were scared/kittens and ran

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Posted by: TheConquerer.8639

TheConquerer.8639

Is there evidence to support this theory? If I’m correct, the Mursaat faded into the Mists in order to save themselves. Could they have done have done this to find a way to fight the Elder Dragons? I suppose that’s possible, but so is the explanation that the Mursaat just wanted to get away and left the other races to rot, so what evidence is there that the former theory makes more sense than the latter?

And if the Mursaat wanted the other races’ help, why didn’t they just show the others this magic that would allow them to retreat to the Mists to? Why did they apparently blame the Seers for the destruction of their empire? They would’ve abandoned their empire anyway when they went into the Mists.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

According to the mursaat’s own account, they left to wait for the dragons to return to sleep and for the other races to be destroyed. Granted, they and the Forgotten had previously tried to take on Zhaitan, but the dwarves, Seers, and jotun stayed out of it. The mursaat would say they were betrayed first.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

In addition to what Aaron said, it’s implied through combining some dev comments and dialogues that the “betrayal” was the war with the seers, not just fleeing into the Mists, as according to Anet writer Ree Soesbee the war between mursaat and seers happened around when the Tome of Rubicon was written, and according to Randall Greystone in Arah explorable, the mursaat only “returned to be known as the Unseen Ones” indicating that the mursaat had been in the Mists for thousands of years (from the previous dragonrise to shortly before GW1).

The Seer in GW1 also indicates that the mursaat wiped out its kind a very, very long time ago furthering Ree’s comment.

In addition to this, the mursaat’s own account also indicates that the mursaat’s ultimate goal was to rule the world.

TL;DR
The mursaat waged war then left and returned to rule, not left then returned to wage war.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

(edited by Konig Des Todes.2086)

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Posted by: stockgoose.7698

stockgoose.7698

even if they did wage war then fade into the mists (i didn’t know this so thank you) it still makes sense with a few parts being moved as an example they have a discussion about what to do the seers and mursaat disagree they go to war over this difference of opinion the mursaat then disappear when the dragons start destroying stuff and return to rule. what makes me think theres a deeper reason for the war/disappearance than just the conquer the world aspect is when they returned and no one had magic why didn’t they ?

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

draxynnic.3719

what makes me think theres a deeper reason for the war/disappearance than just the conquer the world aspect is when they returned and no one had magic why didn’t they ?

From what’s written in the mursaat lore tablets, it appears that they returned after the Exodus. They probably expected to return to find a magic-less world ripe for the conquest, and instead found one where magic was relatively prevalent, thanks to the gods having meddled with the Bloodstones. Coming back to a world they expected to be without magic and finding one where magic was on the rise again could well have given them enough of a pause to spend some time investigating (which they can, being naturally invisible to most when not fighting…) rather than coming in spells blazing.

During such investigation, they likely learned of the Flameseeker Prophecies, and thus finding a way to defuse the ticking time bomb that was the Door of Komalie became their first priority.

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