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Even though the new instalment of the LS took away a bit of the interest in where the vines are heading, and the whole vision speculation taking away another big part of attention… In the discussion about the vines directions I opted for them heading toward the bloodstones!

I am actually strengthened by this new instalment, as them being the target of Mordremoth’s vines… why?

Finding the Royal Locket and it being a specific target of Mordremoth has me thinking two things:
A. We may have finally located ‘the keystone’
B. Mordremoth might truly be going after the bloodstones.

Now we can’t see if the vines are also spreading towards the Maguma bloodstone, nor can we see if the Vulcano Islands are now a vine invested. But one of the vines is somewhat moving into the direction of the bloodstone that was near Gadd’s encampment, now I can’t fully recall how far into the mountains this bloodstone is situated (doubt it can be seen on the GW1 map).

But if the Royal locket is the actual ‘key stone’, and that was the first thing I was thinking about when I heard this object described. And indeed the southern heading vines are going to the Gadd’s Bloodstone (in bloodstone caves). Then the other vines must be going to the last ‘unknown’ location of the last ‘lost’ bloodstone.

I find it also a viable theory after seeing the vision. Why? Because the vision clearly showed 6 spectra/aspects of magic, and we are only known to 4 schools of magic. Also, the bloodstones are described as ‘filters’ to reduce the amount of available magic. If Mordremoth is part of a magic spectra that is filtered out by the bloodstones, then these items are greatly reducing his power. If anything ‘I’ would set out to destroy these if I had bigger plans…

After heading to Sparkfly Fen, on the hunt for the entrance to the bloodstone caves, I was pleased to find it, there is even a stone across the entrance that has faint markings on it that are not some native stone texture. This ‘is’ the original door… and the cave system, well it collapsed in… (side note, on the ‘minimap’ the original location of Gadd’s encampment can even be distinguished, even though ‘in world’ the terrain has suffered from the rise of Orr in such a way that it can’t be reached).

Why is this important, well, if I were to link the bloodstones in some way shape or form with the Dragons, then I should show (or actually ‘it’ should show) that other Dragons have an interest in the Bloodstones as well…

Cue, Tequatl … where does he assault? Exactly, on the coast right there mere ‘miles’ away from the entrance to the bloodstone caves. Where do his minions head? Right, down the cave system leading into the ‘Sparkfly Fen’ back lands. Only stopped there by a reinforced camp…

Now true, this is circumstantial evidence, but in regards to this ‘speculative theorie’ I thought it well worth mentioning… And obviously I will be scouting around this ‘larger’ area of the bloodstone caves, to see if I can find ‘more’ Dragon activities, of the various Dragons. One that I recall straight away though, seeing I was in Timberline for the LS2 (obviously) are the ‘wells’ south of Concordia. Are there undead ‘underground’ in Timberline falls? If they are underground, then they are obviously in cave systems… If they are in cave systems, then what is the most likely cave system in that area… And then, what most likely destination/target would they have to be in this cave system?!?

Is it a coincidence that ‘east’ of Timberline Falls there is a place called ‘Metrica Provice’, well ‘no’ obviously geography is just that… but! what about what is in Metrica Provice! .. f/e Mealstrom Bile, a large ‘vulcano’ swarming with… Primordus Minions, this place is apparently ‘that’ important to Primordus that he has send one of his ‘lieutenants’ there, as can be witnessed by the boss fight there…

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So there you go, 3 out of 5 with a possible interest in the ‘bloodstone cave’ area, to me at least, this all feels a lot less circumstantial now… Evidence, well no, there are no clear facts yet, but I would argue that these are fairly clear pointers non the less…

The Bloodstones were originally one and whole. It was situated around Arah. I have speculated that the Bloodstones were conduits to and from the Realms of Torment. This is where magic pass through between Tyria and the Realms of Torment.

Developing the above speculation, the Bloodstones are also gates and seals between Tyria and the Realms of Torment.

Paraphrasing historical lore the six human gods came through the gates at Arah to settle in Tyria for the first time. I postulate those gates are the Bloodstones when they were one and whole. The six human gods and their multitude of humen followers came through the Bloodstones to reach Tyria.

Paraphrasing historical lore, it also dictate that the six human gods and their human followers were originally from the Mist before settling on Tyria. The logic from my theory would conclude the Realms of Torment is part of the Mist if the six gods and their human followers came through the Bloodstones as gates and seals via the Realms of Torment.

Is there evidence for the six human gods residing in the Realms of Torment before coming to Tyria via the Bloodstone gates? In GW 1 there is the Temple of the Six Gods in the Realm of Torment where we as players met up with the avatars of the five remaining gods. The story goes this temple were abandon after Abaddon followers deface the idols of the other five gods.

This Temple of the Six Gods would indicate prior to coming to Tyria the six human gods have in fact resided in the Realms of Torment before coming to Tyria. The mythology also tell us that the six gods suffered duress before coming to Tyria. For instance Balthazar holding his father severed head mourning with tears streaming down his face as he step through the gates to set foot on Tyria for the first time. Such an event would match what the Realm of Torment was at the time and what it would become and remain subsequently for ages to come.

Severing of the god’s head and flow of godly blood was also an apt method to activate the Bloodstones when they were one and whole.

The five remaining gods smashed the Bloodstones in to five units. One is the key stone, and the other four are the Bloodstones. The four Bloodstones equate to the four Gate Realms in accordance to the realms of torment map.

@Avariz , while interesting, I do not see what it has to do with the relation Dragons <→ Bloodstones … and most I read is your own interpretation of what the bloodstones were, neglecting that ‘lore’ states they were created by the Gods to restrict magic on Tyria per request by King Doric…

As far as my speculation of the "Gods’ goes, and their arrival on Tyria: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/s2/7-gods-6-dragons-and-tyria/first#post4216121

And from the same thread, likely just as interesting, only then in relation to the realm of torment, and it’s resemblance with ‘the vision’: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/s2/7-gods-6-dragons-and-tyria/first#post4216121 also read the post below it, as it contains some further information.

As far as the temple goes, it acts as a gateway to the heart of the realm, which in essence means it leads to the center of the picture, in it are situated (the actual prison of Abaddon), and more importantly, the Realm of Anguish, which in turn is a piece of the ‘physical world’, more specifically a piece of the realm of Abaddon, his followers are cast into this place.

As you can read in the links above here, the gods likely used the ‘format of reality’ when they created the Realm of Torment, so that it could stand the test of time. Seeing that the bloodstone(s) were created and were broken and cast into Abaddon’s Mouth, at roughly the same time that the realm of torment was created. I see no reason as to why these would not be related in some fashion.

As far as it all being part of the mists, is also quite correct, in fact, how the mists is described it is actually something that encompasses everything and everywhen. Were the gods to create the Realm of Torment, the only place to create it would be in the mists. If mankind were to come to Tyria, the only place they could have come from is somewhere else in the mists (or some-‘when’ else).

The lore surrounding passage ways through the mists is actually much more extended then the bloodstones. If I were to be better with names I could give you the name that goes with the story of the various passage ways through it. Wiki is my friend (lord Odran) : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lord_Odran

While I am not the kind of person to dismiss the possibility that the bloodstone already existed b4 the Gods arrived, and that they merely sealed it with the blood of king Doric and broke it into bits. And that indeed it was some sort of exit point of a passage way that was used by the Gods to enter Tyria. I would advice you to acknowledge that there are way more passage ways, and through that, it makes it questionable that the bloodstone was some sort of gateway, because if so, then why wouldn’t other passage ways need bloodstones (or equivalents) as well
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mists

Arghore.8340:

@Avariz , while interesting, I do not see what it has to do with the relation Dragons <-> Bloodstones … and most I read is your own interpretation of what the bloodstones were, neglecting that ‘lore’ states they were created by the Gods to restrict magic on Tyria per request by King Doric…

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One speculative relation to do with the Elder Dragons is Tyria at the time has been suck dry of magic by these very dragons. Therefore Tyria was depleted of magic with the Elder Dragons being fast asleep and the input of the Six in to Tyria with their own unique human godly magic. As the Elder Dragons were conduits to their respective Astroglobes demonstrated by the ‘Eternal Alchemy’ vision, these respective elder dragons’ Astroglobes were repleted with magic. Therefore with the Realms of Torment map matching the ‘Eternal Alchemy’ map and the Bloodstones being conduits/gates/seals to Realms of Torment and possibly also conduits to the elder dragon Astroglobes, the Bloodstones were a possible tap/faucet of magic on the elder dragon Astroglobes that were full of magic at the time.

The 4 Bloodstones were originally meant to represent the 4 schools of magic. That ship has sailed, of course. I doubt GW2 returns to them. I could be wrong.

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Avariz.8241:

The Bloodstones were originally one and whole. It was situated around Arah.

We don’t know where it was situated. We just know roughly where the pieces were dropped.

“Then the stones were dropped, one by one, into the
volcano off the southern shore of the Kingdom of Kryta,
and the gods left this world forever, confident that they
had balanced out their gift and circumvented greed.”

Granted, King Doric came to Arah to plead to the Gods, and they sealed it with his blood. So logically, it’s possible that they created the Bloodstone in Arah. But we just don’t know this for a fact. It’s never explicitly stated as such. Plus, we also don’t know how long it took the Gods to do all this. They may have collected Doric’s blood later, they may have shifted between huge distances, being Gods and all. Maybe they made the Bloodstone at the volcano in which they dropped the pieces? Who knows?

Avariz.8241:

I have speculated that the Bloodstones were conduits to and from the Realms of Torment. This is where magic pass through between Tyria and the Realms of Torment.

That’s nonsense, we know this is not the case.

Avariz.8241:

Developing the above speculation, the Bloodstones are also gates and seals between Tyria and the Realms of Torment.

We know this isn’t true.

Avariz.8241:

Paraphrasing historical lore the six human gods came through the gates at Arah to settle in Tyria for the first time.

They didn’t. Arah was the city of the Gods after they had made Tyria.

Avariz.8241:

I postulate those gates are the Bloodstones when they were one and whole. The six human gods and their multitude of humen followers came through the Bloodstones to reach Tyria.

That’s even more preposterous. We know that is impossible. The Gods made the Bloodstones many many years AFTER they had arrived and made Tyria. Plus, prior to smashing it, there was only one stone. No Bloodstones, just one stone.

The Gods first created Tyria, then they summoned the Forgotten as custodians, and much much later they created humans, and then the gift of magic. It wasn’t until the wars started, that they took back their gift of magic, and trapped it inside a tall stone, split into pieces, and then sealed with Doric’s blood. That is how the Bloodstones were made.

“The forging of the world was complete. As their final act,
the gods gathered back their gift of magic from all the
races and trapped it inside a tall stone. They smashed the
stone into five parts—four equal but opposing stones of
magic, and one keystone. Without the keystone, the other
four couldn’t be reassembled”

Avariz.8241:

The logic from my theory would conclude the Realms of Torment is part of the Mist

We already know it is a part of the Mists. Of course it is.

Avariz.8241:

if the six gods and their human followers came through the Bloodstones as gates and seals via the Realms of Torment.

The bloodstones are not gates, and certainly not to the Realm of Torment.

Avariz.8241:

Is there evidence for the six human gods residing in the Realms of Torment before coming to Tyria via the Bloodstone gates?

Why would they need to, if they can reside anywhere in the Mists?

Avariz.8241:

In GW 1 there is the Temple of the Six Gods in the Realm of Torment where we as players met up with the avatars of the five remaining gods. The story goes this temple were abandon after Abaddon followers deface the idols of the other five gods.

That only means the Gods were worshiped there. That doesn’t mean the Gods lived there. There are plenty of other parts of the Realm of Torment that mirror Tyria in some way, but a darker twisted version.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Temple of the Six Gods was originally situated in the Crystal Desert (Well, Crystal Sea, at that time). It was cast down into the Realm of Torment along with Abbadon during his fall after it was already defaced, meaning the other 5 Gods weren’t neccesarily worshipped there.

Also, wasn’t it revealed in one of the Arah dungeon paths that the Bloodstone was strengthened by drawing upon Zhaitan’s power, meaning it had to, at that point in time at least, be situated in Arah? I’m not 100% certain of this, but I believe the Gods gathered multiple magical artifacts, the original whole Bloodstone (which was created by the Seers) among them, and brought them to Arah.

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Avariz.8241:

The Bloodstones were originally one and whole. It was situated around Arah.

We don’t know where it was situated. We just know roughly where the pieces were dropped.

“Then the stones were dropped, one by one, into the
volcano off the southern shore of the Kingdom of Kryta,
and the gods left this world forever, confident that they
had balanced out their gift and circumvented greed.”

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I am not going to contradict any arguments against my preposition. I am just going to referenced that as a starting point to the current locations of the Bloodstones. The logical exposition would be the Artesian Waters being the central location of the Bloodstones. This is the place where the Six first set foot on Tyria. This is the source of human origin too according to Bloodstones conduits/gates/seals theory. The geographical spread of the Bloodstones is roughly a rectangular area with the key stone in the center at the Artesian Waters. The north west corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone at Bloodstone Fen in Maguuma. The south west corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone at the Mouth of Abaddon, a volcano on Fire Islands. The south east corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone at the Gate of Torment in the Crystal Desert. The north east corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone in the Shiverpeaks.

This geographical exposition is based on GW 1 quests prior to the movements of the world and the Elder Dragons awakening cataclysms.

@Avariz … Ok, well nice theory, but I hope you do not find it rude if I were to ask you to make your own thread, and discuss all about it there, perhaps also put some more argumentation behind your theory. But I intended to talk about the Bloodstones and their relation with the things unfolding in LS2. And, you are sort of hijacking my thread with your own, totally unrelated to the OPs angle, theory. At least, from my point of view it looks a lot like that… Not that I’m not interested in it, I would personally love to know where you draw the conclusion that the last bloodstone is in the Chystal Desert, and that the keystone is in the center… but, I rather not do that in this thread…

Back to the topic then…

I did some more research around the bloodstone caves. And by the looks of it the Bloodstone became ‘some sort’ of holy place for the Azura. They even tried to build a city (?) there Rata Pten, which was apparently important enough to have it’s own gate. (which now lies in ruins, must as the city, which seems to extend all the way to the top of the mountain. Pten is described ‘to hold’ artefacts dating back to the time of Orr, but from GW1 we know that that site itself can’t be that old, so the Azura of say 200y ago must have dragged some of those Artefacts there. More then likely they were somehow related to the bloodstones (or depicted them) and were studied to (well what else would Azura do) understand the power of that particular bloodstone.

It’s also noteworthy that not far from it (to the south) there is one of the only ‘of recent’ Ghosts that I have seen in the game. she explains she got killed when the Risen swarmed the marches leading towards Rata Pten. In a heart event you help cull the numbers in the swamp to avert catastrophe. The whole area looks a lot like it the top of a caved in cave system and seeing the old entrance is caved in too, it must have diverted waterflow, the area is now a march…

Checking the area from the Straights of Devastation, reveals an affected stream with coloured water that (if you played GW1) will look really familiar (I even went so far to look at other waterfalls in the larger area around, non had this peculiar colour). Likely the diverted waterflow due to partial or whole cave in of the system now pushes water past the bloodstone and flows out. close to Brambles pass. Not much further on ‘Brambles pass’ there is a ‘hidden’ entrance in a cave wall, that leads to a small cave with a big fat Azura door. It may be noteworthy that I met an NPC there that explained to me that the risen were coming from all sides ‘trying to break the alliance’, basically distracting the player with the current point of view and pressing issues of ‘the now’, from the historic importance of that site.

So, I would like to conclude that the bloodstone is still there, it might even be moved by the Azura at some point. Unfortunatly I not so much of a dungeon runner … the Arah dungeon might have enlightened a lot for me in this regard. But it was nice to read that at least someone, even though it was an NPC (that is now running around convinced he will ‘refind’ the human gods cough), that also thinks the Bloodstones are of great interest to the Dragons… or at least to Zhaitan in the Dungeon instance (given, I did not read the whole dungeon description, sort of didn’t want to spoil everything for myself, seeing that ‘now’ this dungeon moved up considerably on my priority list) …

Research around Mount Mailstom will have to wait until a later date, but it might be noteworthy to mention that my conclusion is that the bloodstone is still there, and that Primordus ‘thus’ did not yet breach the area and took it away. (well unless the magic of it seeped into the surrounding area, and this is why we see these effects (water & ghost). In the time when he awoke…

Is there anyone in the lore community that happens to have a great interest in the Azuran lore? Is there anything left about the work in Pten ‘after’ Gadd (may the Eternal alchemy have merci on his soul). Perhaps his son carried on his work?

Rata Pten predates Gadd and Eye of the North. It is said to predate the Cataclysm of Orr, which happened 6 years prior to Eye of the North and the (re)discovery of the Bloodstone Caves.

There’s quite a few flaws with this theory and I suggest looking at the various wiki articles on the subjects of your discussion – Bloodstone, Rata Pten, Realm of Torment – because most of the flaws are from a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on what those things are/what their history is in lore.

@Konig, part of the discussion is an answer to Avariz, I sort of figured this would cause confusion as to what I want to talk about (and find out) .. sigh, part of me feels like I should just copy/paste the viable parts into a new thread :/ … anyways, the first 2 and the last 2 are what I am after, the rest might well be ignored…

In regards to Rata Pten, I only found that tit bit on the wiki as well, but that conclusion is drawn based on the artifacts found there by a character in game, that quite possibly doesn’t know about the bloodstone caves being behind there. Now sure, we can not go to GW1 and see these respected sides of the mountain-range (mount maelstrom, and straight of devastation). But the inserted door in the lil cave, and Rata Pten itself sure look a lot newer than anything that was sealing that place in GW1. There is even an Azuran portal in Rata Pten, very unlikely it was there prior to EotN, esp. if it’s azuran build and the door in the lil cave (in Devastation) is also of Azuran make…

But anyways, if you say there are no other sources for this area but the one in the priory saying stuff about the artefacts there, then that won’t bring me any further. At least the stone is still there ^^. All to do now is wait where the vines head, and the story goes I guess… tnx for your time, sorry bout the mess in between…

Rym.1469:

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Pretty much this. In the realm of fantasy fiction there are few things that haven’t been explained away with Ley lines. They are a convenient mechanic, despite being used to exhaustion. A way to say “a wizard did it”, sans wizard.

PS. You forgot “bleeding magic”

i’ll be honest, i didn’t bother reading the whole thread. i’m not a fan of theories that require 3 full posts (and then replies to those theories), but skimming some of the discussion… eeh. i think people might be overdoing it with the importance of bloodstones for the plot.

that said, we are walking in the general direction of one such bloodstone, they still are heavily magical artifacts/locations (kinda big to be called an artifact), and were crucial to the defeat of the elder dragons last time. it would be silly of the writers to not create conflict around the acquisition and usage of the bloodstone. on one side you have mordremoth, who wants as much magic as possible (though given how “putting magic inside the bloodstone” is how we stopped him last time, he might be unable to use it for that), but also wants to make sure the other side doesn’t obtain it. because on the other side you have tyria looking for a manner to defeat dragons, and the war might take a huge turn in their favor should they secure the bloodstone.

the tension and conflict practically writes itself. if they want leylines in the story so badly, they could use the bloodstone to “suck” mordy’s leyline dry, or at least disrupt the flow away from him.

Bloodstones are mentioned in the Living Story dialogue from last year and it does connect to Mordremoth. To make the link you have to go back to the Tower of Nightmares.

The Tower of Nightmares introduced the krait Obelisk Shards. Magical objects of great power and sacred to the krait. After visiting the obelisks and returning to Priory Arcanist Dolja, she makes this observation:

Priory Arcanist Dolja:Welcome back, <player name>. Thank you for transcribing those obelisk shards for us. You’ve given our scholars a wealth of data.
Player:What have you learned so far?
Priory Arcanist Dolja:The energy signatures you collected from the obelisks are incredible. We haven’t seen their like since our exhaustive study of the Bloodstone shards.
Player:Bloodstone shards?
Priory Arcanist Dolja:According to human records, the Seers used a rare stone, called the Bloodstone, to store concentration of magic. This was millennia ago. The obelisks aren’t made of bloodstone, but the similarities make us wary.
Player: Interesting, and also alarming.

So not only did the writers reintroduce Bloodstones as a lore concept in GW2 (GW1 players knew about it, GW2 players and our PCs didn’t) but they likened them to krait obelisk shards. This is important because before the most recent release, there was a vine from Mordremoth that was consuming krait obelisk shards in Fort Salma (I didn’t take screen shots but someone on reddit did – http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2aerlo/the_vines_are_migrating/ciubu2g). Now we don’t know why Fort Salma was attacked, the NPCs mention the link that two strongholds were hit, but is it possible the obelisk shards attracted the vines? Were there obelisk shards in Concordia? I know the krait had one in their tower to the south-east. Bloodstones are rich in magic aren’t they? If obelisk shards are similair, a magic consuming dragon would think of them as a tasty treat.

Trying to draw more connections, Glint’s prophecy dealt with Bloodstones didn’kitten The Zephyrites took on Glint’s legacy, maybe that’s the Master of Peace’s secret. Maybe he’s headed to the Bloodstone shard in Maguuma? Maybe the glowing thing in his backpack isn’t a dragon egg, maybe it’s the keystone to the Bloodstones? Go over Aerin’s dialogue again.

Aerin: (mumble) Is it here? It must be here. Somewhere. No…
Go away! Go away, go away, go away! He’s mine!
(mumble) Is it here? It must be here. Somewhere. No…
Go away! Go away, go away, go away! He’s mine!
You said it would be here!
Somewhere, somewhere… Yes, you’re right—getting close!
No no no. Not right. Perhaps…
Master of Peace: Aerin!
Aerin: What? Huh? You’re here!
Master of Peace: Aerin, you have broken your Zephyrite vows.
Aerin: Trivial vows. Trivial people. I’ve seen the bigger picture. You are in my way.
Master of Peace: You’ve lost your mind and your true heart. I’m sorry. You will not prevail.

And when he’s dead…

Taimi: Why was he after you?
Master of Peace: He started losing his mind on the ship. He’s the one who sabotaged it, you know.
Rox: Yes, we know. Did he want revenge on you for something?
Master of Peace: No. He wanted me to give him power. Great power that he couldn’t handle. I refused. He could not let it go.
Kasmeer Meade: Will you come back now? We can escort you.
Master of Peace: No. My journey has only just begun. You will tell my people that I am well and that I continue onward?
Braham Eirsson: Yeah, sure. We’ll tell them. Won’t they ask where you’re going?
Master of Peace: No. Those who don’t know my destination know enough not to ask. Be well. I’m glad our paths crossed today.

Many of us assume the power Aerin is after is Glints. What if it’s related to the Bloodstones? What if Glint has the Master of Peace protecting the keystone from the Elder Dragons and Mordremoth “broke” Aerin’s mind and used him as a tool to try and obtain the keystone from the Master of Peace? That’s why it’s telling Aerin where to look and that’s who’s talking to Aerin “you said it would be here”.

Even if it’s not, a Bloodstone is a large concentration of magic stored in one compact rock. It would make sense for any Elder Dragon to want to go after one (which actually counters this argument as I haven’t seen an Elder Dragon seemingly target Bloodstones before).

PS: Could the stone in Jennah’s throne room be the keystone?

As far as I know according to GW lore no one knows where the key stone is right now. Also, we’re still missing the location of 2 other Bloodstones. I honestly do think that the Master of Peace is headed to the bloodstone in the Maguuma Jungle. Maybe part of Glint’s legacy was the knowledge of the location of the bloodstones we knew from GW1.

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Rym.1469:

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Pretty much this. In the realm of fantasy fiction there are few things that haven’t been explained away with Ley lines. They are a convenient mechanic, despite being used to exhaustion. A way to say “a wizard did it”, sans wizard.

PS. You forgot “bleeding magic”

While I missed a certain (apparently French) source for some sort of Redcon, and while i do agree some things seem to have changed in regards to previous known lore, in a way that (from the long term player) looks odd. I personally do not think that the Lore of GW1 has been thrown out of the window.

My personal view is that some of the known history of 250y ago just wasn’t the right explanation (even if these sources were from the Dev’s themselves, various years ago). To quote the durmond priory ‘History doesn’t lie, historians however’. We see the same thing in our human history on earth. GW1 takes place roughly 1000+ years after the events of the exodus, and what we see is still a fairly primitive civilization. So if legends tell of a bloodstone and the gods, who split it etc… The fact that the knowledge of the actual creation of the bloodstone had been lost, and conveniently linked to the Gods by historians of the time (again including Devs), can be viewed as the creation of our world to be linked to various gods through the history of mankind, and many still link it to ‘yet’ another god, other follow a possible theory based upon science… What was right can turn out to be wrong, at the moment the right source is found or a new discovery is made…

I also think that with the stories of EotN, it should have been clear that GW1A,B,C had ended, the realm of torment was/is no more, with Kormir the last of ‘the gods’ had left Tyria, and a new chapter in the natural order of Tyria was about to unfold…

I personally think that in some cases it’s more the case that the lore of GW1 has been ‘hidden’, we (our PCs) seem to know very little as to what happened prior to the dragons. And the pressing issues are (where it not concerns durmond priory members or matters) explained through the viewpoint of the characters experiencing the ‘Now’. This was more the apparent when I found that little cave that led into the entry of the location of the bloodstone caves. In front of the entrance was an event NPC explaining the incoming forces of Zhaitan as being related to the presence of the fort there, as if an eternal endless dragon would be any bit concerned by an anthill (although admittedly ‘he should have’ ) …

And by all the signs around that location (by my observation) show that the bloodstone is there… there are also various other places the GW1 lore is being used, since the game has been released, and through it we learn more about the lore (f/e the Arah dungeon explorable), be it that this lore differs from what we previously knew. I am sure that for some this is a revelation equal to finding out the earth is a sphere, prior to ‘knowing’ the earth was flat for generations…. I found out through the wiki (not much of a dungeon player, and am still trying to deal/cope with the known history of the bloodstones and the new history; it might have far reaching complications to how the Gods sealed magic use, the whole history might need to be rewritten en rediscovered. A true inconvience, but and I think I can now revert back to where I started this post above here, to avoid repeating myself.)

add after consideration over dinner I think I should add to this that my interest for lore is generally stimulated after I finish a game (or atleast until later in a game) this means that I am unaware of all the changes that others have already come across. In this sense you can read that my discovery of the change in bloodstone lore is of recent… above is thus my attitude to this (and some minor other things) change…

Xukavi.4320:

As far as I know according to GW lore no one knows where the key stone is right now. Also, we’re still missing the location of 2 other Bloodstones. I honestly do think that the Master of Peace is headed to the bloodstone in the Maguuma Jungle. Maybe part of Glint’s legacy was the knowledge of the location of the bloodstones we knew from GW1.

The Keystone ‘is’ one of the 2 unknown (locations) bloodstones. Known are:
- Maguma Jungle stone
- Abaddon’s mouth stone (on the fire islands)
- Bloodstone cave’s stone (in the bloodstone caves)

The bloodstone cave’s one is the only bloodstone of which it’s (still) existence in GW2 can be derived from activity around it’s location. The other bloodstone locations are inaccessible.

In regards to the keystone, my personal hunch is that part of the recently mentioned locket, that shows the current heir to the crown of Kryta, aka. the bloodline descendent of King Doric. With whoms blood the bloodstones were ‘sealed’, and who’s bloodline was tasked with the guarding of the keystone (and through it the bloodstones themselves). As this keystone is needed to reassemble the stones. The potent magic of the item, and the showing of the portrait makes it a likely candidate. Especially seeing that ‘a key’ is usually not the size of the door it fits on…
But until more is revealed about this locket, this is obviously speculation

Shiren.9532:

Were there obelisk shards in Concordia?

No, what is eluded to having been in Timberline Falls, and at Concordia at one point, was a locket that showed the current heir or Kryta. But don’t let that stop you:

WP just made a video talking about the Bloodstones

We know the gods used King Doric to seal the Bloodstones. It is therefore believed that only an heir can unlock them. As to how this may play out, whether it matches to what WP speculates or not, is anybody’s guess.

Quite possibly Mordremoth’s interest in the locket is because he doesn’t know who the current descendant of Doric is.

I do think it’s possible that MoP is heading towards the Bloodstone in the Meguuma. As to why, I can’t imagine. However, I don’t think he has the keystone in his pack – the keystone was massive. Unless if they’re trying to explain it has been shattered to pieces since Abaddon’s Mouth erupted. Although at the same time, it does raise further speculation as to what role the Zephyrites have been playing the past two seasons in regards to the Dragons. We’re lead to believe that this trip was common as of last Season, that they travel West for some unknown reason. Maybe they do stop at the bloodstone and try to tuck away power – the others who are supposed to know where MoP is going must know the why. That and he was being very cryptic in an effort, which I believe, to keep thing quiet so the information doesn’t fall into the wrong hands.

Arghore.8340:

Xukavi.4320:

As far as I know according to GW lore no one knows where the key stone is right now. Also, we’re still missing the location of 2 other Bloodstones. I honestly do think that the Master of Peace is headed to the bloodstone in the Maguuma Jungle. Maybe part of Glint’s legacy was the knowledge of the location of the bloodstones we knew from GW1.

The Keystone ‘is’ one of the 2 unknown (locations) bloodstones. Known are:
- Maguma Jungle stone
- Abaddon’s mouth stone (on the fire islands)
- Bloodstone cave’s stone (in the bloodstone caves)

The bloodstone cave’s one is the only bloodstone of which it’s (still) existence in GW2 can be derived from activity around it’s location. The other bloodstone locations are inaccessible.

In regards to the keystone, my personal hunch is that part of the recently mentioned locket, that shows the current heir to the crown of Kryta, aka. the bloodline descendent of King Doric. With whoms blood the bloodstones were ‘sealed’, and who’s bloodline was tasked with the guarding of the keystone (and through it the bloodstones themselves). As this keystone is needed to reassemble the stones. The potent magic of the item, and the showing of the portrait makes it a likely candidate. Especially seeing that ‘a key’ is usually not the size of the door it fits on…
But until more is revealed about this locket, this is obviously speculation

there’s a bloodstone in the queen’s throne room in GW2. we don’t know which one it is, but i imagine since bloodstone fen was massive enough to have people walking over it and stuff, that one is still where it should be. since we can’t really confirm the location of any of the others (the bloodstone cave is sealed in GW2), it’s anyone’s guess which one it is.

Arghore.8340:

Xukavi.4320:

As far as I know according to GW lore no one knows where the key stone is right now. Also, we’re still missing the location of 2 other Bloodstones. I honestly do think that the Master of Peace is headed to the bloodstone in the Maguuma Jungle. Maybe part of Glint’s legacy was the knowledge of the location of the bloodstones we knew from GW1.

The Keystone ‘is’ one of the 2 unknown (locations) bloodstones. Known are:
- Maguma Jungle stone
- Abaddon’s mouth stone (on the fire islands)
- Bloodstone cave’s stone (in the bloodstone caves)

The bloodstone cave’s one is the only bloodstone of which it’s (still) existence in GW2 can be derived from activity around it’s location. The other bloodstone locations are inaccessible.

In regards to the keystone, my personal hunch is that part of the recently mentioned locket, that shows the current heir to the crown of Kryta, aka. the bloodline descendent of King Doric. With whoms blood the bloodstones were ‘sealed’, and who’s bloodline was tasked with the guarding of the keystone (and through it the bloodstones themselves). As this keystone is needed to reassemble the stones. The potent magic of the item, and the showing of the portrait makes it a likely candidate. Especially seeing that ‘a key’ is usually not the size of the door it fits on…
But until more is revealed about this locket, this is obviously speculation

Well like I said as far a I knew. Thanks for updating my info. I thought we were missing 2 bloodstones other than the key stone.

@Ronin, thanks for that link, it was a nice refresher… only thing I fringed at though. The stone in the Vulcano was (to my knowledge) never proven to be the Keystone… It was ‘just’ one of the 5 bloodstones. Hopefully after this show ‘we’ won’t have to go and explain that in every thread now :P

@Bruno, I assume you are referring to that big chunk of either stone or tree in the back of the throne room? While indeed it looks like a piece of stone, and it has some lights going on, personally I think it’s either to represent that the line of Doric is supposed to be the guardian of the bloodstones (for as far as anyone (NPCs) thinks these bloodstones are for real, more then likely they are as distant in memory as the White Mantel – aka. stories to scare little kids). So it is in a sense a way to refer to King Doric, like rulers of many ages have tried and refer to descending from some particular bloodline and power and importance through proof…

‘See that big stone behind her, with those magical lights, it must be ’that stone’, it was sealed with King Doric’s blood, well if it is here then this must be the thrown of Doric, and thus ‘Cue which ever person’ must be of the bloodline of king Doric. Seeing I doubt an object of that importance would be kept right there in sight, regardless of the fact that no-one is going to carry that thing out of Divinity ‘on their back’…

Now I will admit that I am somewhat influenced by certain fantasy movies I have seen throughout my life, but given the age of a lot of the developers, I would not be amazed if the actual keystone isn’t much more than a little shard/sliver impregnated with Doric’s blood.

Heh, I hadn’t seen this discussion but I thought if bloodstones as well. Especially because of the image below, of the one from Bloodstone Fen.

Anyway, I put together an overview of them here and a map here for my own edification.

I haven’t finished going through this thread, but if I’ve got something incorrect or you think I left something important out, I’d love to know.

EDIT: Seems I at least need to add krait obelisk similarity in there. Will credit ya Shiren