The five gods and the dragons.
A lot of this is still a mystery, one of the biggest ones we’ve got: but if there can be said to be any sort of consensus among the lore community, it’s that the Gods never directly encountered the dragons, having come to the world long after they went into hibernation; learned what they had recorded from the elder races or perhaps some divine source of knowledge; and didn’t act against the dragons either due to knowing something we didn’t that’d make killing them off a bad thing, or because the Six have a highly magical nature that would make them something of a buffet table to these particular adversaries.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
(edited by Aaron Ansari.1604)
Gods in this universe (or is it a multiverse?) never amount to anything more than powerful monsters or mages. Nothing is eternal, and everything can be killed and/or destroyed with enough force.
All I’m saying is keep your expectations low. I must admit that Grenth is pretty cool guy (see what I did there?), but altogether the human pantheon is pretty underwhelming and not entirely benevolent.
Personally, I’m not underwhelmed at all. A fallen, half-destroyed god was still nearly able to swallow the world with a hell that’d make an Elder Dragon envious. In the face of that kind of feat, the fact that they can be slain doesn’t seem so important.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
My idea if I haven’t understod it all wrong is that elder dragons consume magic, and the gods are very magical beeings. so maybe if the gods got to close to a full awake elder dragon they just get weak.
EDIT: and thats why the gods left in the first place, they were cowards like the Mursaat and wanted to save their own skin?
EDIT: and thats why the gods left in the first place, they were cowards like the Mursaat and wanted to save their own skin?
Probably not that. Even leaving aside that the devs have told us what they think the gods’ motives were, you have to remember that they left in 0 A.E.- more than eleven hundred years before any of the dragons woke up.
R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.
Gods in this universe (or is it a multiverse?) never amount to anything more than powerful monsters or mages. Nothing is eternal, and everything can be killed and/or destroyed with enough force.
All I’m saying is keep your expectations low. I must admit that Grenth is pretty cool guy (see what I did there?), but altogether the human pantheon is pretty underwhelming and not entirely benevolent.
Except the gods are eternal. When one is"killed" it’s essence moves into a new host and the deifies them. Same essence, new manifestation.
As to the gods and dragons, my pet theory is that the withdrawal of the gods was one of the factors that lead to this awakening. The dragons rise in response to the increase in magic. There is some symmetry between their magical portfolios and those of the incredibly magical beings called the human gods. What if the gods were binding up or siphoning off enough of each sphere of magic while they were present that it kept each elder dragon in slumber?
Dunno if Gods fear them or they didnt know how to deal with tehm, time for some Gw lore:
“The Elder Dragons are primordial creatures dating back before the time of the Giganticus Lupicus and long before the arrival of the gods in Tyria. Their powers are said to rival those of the gods themselves,”
And second:
“. It is said that the Six Gods brought the forgotten to the world as well; however this is now questionable given their dealings with the Elder Dragons. Regardless of their origins the forgotten were tasked as being caretakers as the Six Gods built Arah and terraformed the land.”
Sure is that the Forgotten been at 1st arrival of Dragons, and after that Dragons hibernate again… so either Gods send them to repel dragons, or they chose them to Guide others.
(edited by Michal.4513)
There is theory that the gods and the dragons er part of some kind of naturel wheel, where the gods creates and the dragons destroy, also it seems that in the story the gods have left the world and nobody knows why, another theory out there is that because we are killing the dragons, we are disrupting this cirkel because of the weird scene in scarlets machine (this might just be Mordremoth waking up) but as far as I know we dont have any solid answers yet, but it would be a cool expansion some day I think.
The dragons don’t really destroy though. It’s a side-effect, yes, but not what they’re really doing. Plus, the Six Gods aren’t native to Tyria, but another world.
And the cinematic from Omadd’s machine was Zhaitan’s sphere crashing into Tyria.
Any relationship between god and dragon is likely to be similar roles for different worlds.
In all honesty, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were other worlds – likely failed – where the survivors of their world’s The All came to Tyria – perhaps with refugee races, thus explaining how the Elder Dragons can wipe out the world yet have so many races populate the world within 10,000 years or so (or the other possibility of every 3,000 years which is even harder to explain for population). Would be a curious – if unimaginative – explanation for the other gods (Koda, Zintl, Mellaggan, Great Dwarf (if it was once a single being as still possible), etc.) who show occasional overlap with either the Six Gods and/or the Elder Dragons.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
The dragons don’t really destroy though. It’s a side-effect, yes, but not what they’re really doing. Plus, the Six Gods aren’t native to Tyria, but another world.
And the cinematic from Omadd’s machine was Zhaitan’s sphere crashing into Tyria.
Is there official confirmation of this? It looked like Mordy’s sphere to me.
Yes.
Hidden Arcana has an NPC that describes the Priory’s map of The All which can be seen here – each placement of the orbs from The Machine vision has a letter (in New Krytan) on the Priory’s version. Red=P; Blue=S; Dark green=Z; Lime = M; Purple=K; White=J; the center sphere is has a map of Tyria within it.
In Hidden Arcana, there’s also a generically named Historian which explains the ceiling design and confirms that S is the deep sea dragon, though its full name was untranslateable and even the S may be wrong.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
The dragons don’t really destroy though. It’s a side-effect, yes, but not what they’re really doing. Plus, the Six Gods aren’t native to Tyria, but another world.
And the cinematic from Omadd’s machine was Zhaitan’s sphere crashing into Tyria.
Is there official confirmation of this? It looked like Mordy’s sphere to me.
There is no official confirmation of course but I personally also believe it’s Zhaitan’s Sphere crashing into the center (Tyria). At first glance it doesn’t make sense because most people intuitively interpret the sphere crashing into the center as a dragon taking control over the world. Since Mordremoth is active right now they think it’s Mordremoth’s sphere.
But what if the sphere crashing into the center doesn’t represent a dragon taking control over Tyria but the exact opposite instead? Zhaitan was most recently defeated and just like “dragons hold magic like a sponge holds water” Zhaitan released all the magic he consumed back into the world and ceased being a seperate entity (a dragon). I think that’s what the sphere crashing into the center represents. So bascially the goal is to make all spheres crash into the center again (defeat all the dragons) and only then will Tyria be at peace (at least for a while). Zhaitan was the first to be defeated. That’s why we see his sphere crashing into the center first.
If you follow this interpretation, than the green orb is in fact Zhaitan and not Mordremoth. Mordremoth would be the yellowish-green orb. (there is in fact no “black” orb). It would also be consistent with the correct order of the dragons awakening (represented by the orbs flashing up and adopting a color). If Mordremoth was the green orb and assuming there’s no mistake in the cinematic than Mordremoth would have awakened before Kralkatorrik and Zhaitan which is obviously wrong. But if Zhaitan is the green orb then it works perfectly and is consistent with the correct order of the dragons awakening established by the lore.
(edited by Straylight.7529)
Straylight, please read my post that’s over 2 hours older than yours. :P The Durmand Priory’s knowledge points to the orb being Zhaitan’s. I’d consider that the closest thing to official confirmation short of a later on “retcon” of the devs introducing new lore proclaiming the Durmand Priory mistaken (entirely possible to happen but no reason to believe such will happen at this point in time).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Dunno if Gods fear them or they didnt know how to deal with tehm, time for some Gw lore:
“The Elder Dragons are primordial creatures dating back before the time of the Giganticus Lupicus and long before the arrival of the gods in Tyria. Their powers are said to rival those of the gods themselves,”And second:
“. It is said that the Six Gods brought the forgotten to the world as well; however this is now questionable given their dealings with the Elder Dragons. Regardless of their origins the forgotten were tasked as being caretakers as the Six Gods built Arah and terraformed the land.”
Sure is that the Forgotten been at 1st arrival of Dragons, and after that Dragons hibernate again… so either Gods send them to repel dragons, or they chose them to Guide others.
That’s GW2 lore. In fact, anything relating to the Elder Dragons is GW2 lore, including Eye of the North.
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In LOTR, it was argued that Tom Bombadil could have killed Sauron easily.
Are we so selfish to think the gods care about mortal proceedings?
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