Guild Wars 2

Do the two serpentine tyrian races hold any ties?

Aside from visual similarities we have no proof they are related as of yet.

Pavees.7281:

Aside from visual similarities we have no proof they are related as of yet.

And aside to that. What happened to the naga from factions?

The naga from factions are probably still in Cantha somewhere, and the forgotten and the krait are different species. The krait seem to have originated in Tyria while the forgotten emerged from the mists.

Krait have two arms while forgotten have four.

Kinda like how the dwarves, norn and humans are all different species but share many outward physical similarities.

Oh and to be clear about the naga, Anet has confirmed that the naga and forgotten are completely different but there’s nothing that says that concretely about the relationship between the krait and the forgotten.

I think it’s more likely that the krait are related to the naga than to the forgotten.

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

The naga from factions are probably still in Cantha somewhere, and the forgotten and the krait are different species. The krait seem to have originated in Tyria while the forgotten emerged from the mists.

Krait have two arms while forgotten have four.

Kinda like how the dwarves, norn and humans are all different species but share many outward physical similarities.

Oh and to be clear about the naga, Anet has confirmed that the naga and forgotten are completely different but there’s nothing that says that concretely about the relationship between the krait and the forgotten.

I think it’s more likely that the krait are related to the naga than to the forgotten.

Don’t you think there’s even a chance that they’re all related?
I mean, there’s a chance that humans an dwarves are related someway.
I believe that norn are just shapeshifting kodan that embraced the human spirit at some point and didn’t remember how to turn back permanently into bear.

Ludovicus.7980:

Don’t you think there’s even a chance that they’re all related?
I mean, there’s a chance that humans an dwarves are related someway.
I believe that norn are just shapeshifting kodan that embraced the human spirit at some point and didn’t remember how to turn back permanently into bear.

I don’t think that the forgotten and naga are related, no. Because Anet has said that they have entirely different sources and beginnings. I feel like the same is true of the forgotten and krait, but I can’t say anything about the krait and naga.

Honestly the forgotten seem very different from the other species in many ways, how they hold themselves, how many arms they have, they’re not water-based like the krait and naga are, and they are from the mists. They are very different.

In terms of humans and dwarves, if there were enough similarities I would think that some humans would have undergone the Rite of the Great Dwarf and become stone. That’s pretty much a dwarf trait at this point. Asura have many traits similar to dwarves but I seriously doubt they are related, same to dwarf/human relation (also because the dwarves and humans have different origins).

And the norn are likely related to the kodan in some way, but without more information I couldn’t say how. The only similarity I can see is that the kodan are bear people and norn can turn into bears (and ravens and snow leopards, etc.).

The Forgotten and naga are outright stated to not be related. The Forgotten are, as far as we’ve been told (which like a lot of things from the History of Tyria, may not be entirely true), from the Mists.

The krait and naga may be related, but the Forgotten are not related to the naga and are highly unlikely to be related to the krait.

The only similarity beyond being serpentine there are between the krait and the Forgotten are the elongated mussel.

It is in fact my opinion that the krait were once mistaken by the naga by Canthans in the past, as the supposed oddly aggressive naga mentioned in Empress Tahmu’s history.

Ludovicus.7980:

I mean, there’s a chance that humans an dwarves are related someway.
I believe that norn are just shapeshifting kodan that embraced the human spirit at some point and didn’t remember how to turn back permanently into bear.

1. Nope; humans come from the Mists. They’re not of Tyrian origin. Dwarves however existed on the world long before humanity were brought by the Six Gods. There is no possible way for humans and dwarves to be related unless one was a Mists’ attempted and failed copying the other race from a different world.
2. The norn are not likely to be related to the kodan, to be honest. They hold next to no cultural similarities and the only shared concept is that the norn sometimes take on a grizzly bear form because of their Bear Spirit – and that the kodan believe in many spirits in the world (which could, possibly, include the Spirits of the Wild). I, personally, find it more likely that the norn hold a common ancestor with the Luxons which have a lot more cultural similarities. Honestly saying the norn are related to the kodan because of Bear Form is like saying they’re related to tengu because of Raven Form, or to charr because of Snow Leopard Form.

Naga and Forgotten are confirmed to be unrelated, Naga and Krait however is not only possible but likely in my opinion. Both are amphibious (in the military sense) serpentine races that live in the sea. Naga of course are way less hostile than Krait, but “personality” is not an indicator for common ancestry.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I, personally, find it more likely that the norn hold a common ancestor with the Luxons which have a lot more cultural similarities. Honestly saying the norn are related to the kodan because of Bear Form is like saying they’re related to tengu because of Raven Form, or to charr because of Snow Leopard Form.

Not to spark an old flame again, but similar cultue is not an indication for common ancestry.

True, but I’d have to call you delusional if you think the norn and humans don’t have similar physiology. ^^

And I merely said that it’s more likely that the norn hold a common ancestor with Luxons, rather than with kodan. More likely != likely

Konig Des Todes.2086:

True, but I’d have to call you delusional if you think the norn and humans don’t have similar physiology. ^^

And I merely said that it’s more likely that the norn hold a common ancestor with Luxons, rather than with kodan. More likely != likely

More likely yes, in the way that getting hit by a lightning during a storm is more likely than winning the lottery. :-P

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on the probability, to avoid the same bloody argument that ends with you unable to prove me unlikely, and using the jotun and dwarves as an excuse for how such can come to be despite norn being far more human than either – and me unable to convince you that the norn look more human than dwarves do.

Let’s just leave it at this. But I had another idea when I thought about the Forgotten, Naga and Krait, as well as humans, dwarves and Norn.

We know that humans come from a different world. GW1’s lore told us the same thing about the Forgotten, and technically it could still be true, just the part with the gods bringing them might not be (or it is, if they meddled with Tyria before and we just have no recordings of it).

What if humans and Forgotten come from the same planet? That would explain why both have deep connections to the Six (well other races have connections too, but humans and Forgotten more so than any other). Now what if every planet in the GW universe follows the same rules of creation, maybe through the influence of the mist, magic and/or gods? In this scenario, evolution would always take the same or atleast similar turns, through the influence of one or all of the already named factors.

In this case Naga and Krait could just be the Tyrian version of what Forgotten are on their original home world, intelligent beings evolved from snakes. And humans could be what dwarves and/or Norn are, evolved from primates. Further more, Tyria could be more exposed to this influence, explaining why not only one but often several intelligent species evolve from one, like Krait and Naga, who both seem to be evolved from snakes.