The gods vanished but what about lesser gods?

The gods vanished but what about lesser gods?

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Posted by: lordhelmos.7623

lordhelmos.7623

With the idea of the mists, there are many more dimensions beyond Tyria with the mists sort of being the barrier between them.

We know now from previous events in Guildwars 1 that each of the six gods has their own realm, but there are realms that belong to lesser gods (Menzies, Dhuum, etc.) that have beef with the six in the world beyond Tyria (with outcomes of these squabbles that may impact mortals).

Now that the six mysteriously vanished, would Tyria be more vunerable to outsider invasions? I’m thinking lesser gods like Menzies, Dhuum, and unnamed influences that may come to prey on mortals now that the six are mysteriously AFK and not around to kick them out.

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Posted by: Erukk.1408

Erukk.1408

Menzies and Dhuum aren’t lesser gods. If I had to give them a classification, it would probably be more along the lines of “powerful higher beings”. Dhuum lost his godiless to Grenth, and Menzies is… something. He’s said to be the evil half-brother of Balthazar, but he’s never been described as a god.

As for the question at hand, it’s possible, but it’s hard to tell since we really don’t have any idea what the Six are doing. We know they left since they thought it was time for humanity (and everyone else) to stand on their own without them holding their hand, but they doesn’t really rule out them protecting mortals from outside threats that might be beyond us.

For all we know the Six could be fighting some Mistborn version of Cthulhu that’s out to conquer/convert/destroy/devour the universe…

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Posted by: zallis.2138

zallis.2138

Dhuum isn’t a lesser god, he was a god, but Grenth overthrew him. Menzies seems more like a demigod to me. I think the only reason he has any power is because Balthazar is a god and he shared some of it. Cause I don’t think Balthazar was a god to begin with, I think all the gods pulled a Kormir and seized the status. And I think when Balthazar did that, he took Menzies with him and then he turned evil afterwards.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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Interesting question. Seeing as how we have the Shadow Behemoth, and have a couple of areas in the world where we she shadow-y creatures, there’s at least some indication that there are already incursions from the mists (although we have no indication that it’s an organised incursion and not to a couple of creatures wandering off).
The main question of course would be, why would any of the ‘lesser gods’ care about Tyria? Presumably the mists is a varied and fairly populated place, so why would Tyria be so special. Abaddon specifically only used Tyria as a means of escaping his prison and seemingly didn’t care much beyond that, and Dhuum and Menzies also show little interest in Tyria.
So if the higher beings from the mists do invade, ANet would probably have to provide some motivation as to why, and why they didn’t invade the world of marshmallow people and flying bunnies.

Menzies and Dhuum aren’t lesser gods. If I had to give them a classification, it would probably be more along the lines of “powerful higher beings”. Dhuum lost his godiless to Grenth, and Menzies is… something. He’s said to be the evil half-brother of Balthazar, but he’s never been described as a god.

Dhuum isn’t a lesser god, he was a god, but Grenth overthrew him. Menzies seems more like a demigod to me. I think the only reason he has any power is because Balthazar is a god and he shared some of it. Cause I don’t think Balthazar was a god to begin with, I think all the gods pulled a Kormir and seized the status. And I think when Balthazar did that, he took Menzies with him and then he turned evil afterwards.

Well we can’t say either way unless we feel like another discussion regarding the nature of godhood (spoiler there really isn’t much agreement).
Dhuum is specifically an ex-god (I would say fallen god like Abaddon, but unlike Abaddon he was officially usurped and his power to a certain extent taken). Menzies would be more of a demi-god (presumably a full-blooded version of whatever species the other gods belong to… if they even share a single species), seeking to usurp and steal his half-brother (Balthazar’s) position and power (seemingly godliness is a transferable quantity as we see in the case of Kormir). Although all of this is without asking the question, what race does the gods belong too? Certainly as noted some type of higher entity, if Dhuum even de-god-ified was still rather powerful.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

  1. Menzies is never called a god – I’ve always thought him to be akin to Oswald Thorn (who is referred to as a “spirit lord” and, like Menzies, rules over a part of the Mists, has a spiritual army/following, and is very powerful), though it may be that he, like Grenth originally, is half-god or some variation of. It’s debatable, but he’s never called a god and for all we know he’s just a powerful spirit of a millennium old person.
  2. Dhuum is not and never was a “lesser” god; he was a full-fledged god but is now a fallen god. Though we aren’t really clear what state his power and godhood is, all indications show that Grenth took the latter, but Dhuum still retains power of some sort.
  3. Both Menzies and Dhuum had zero interest in Tyria except to gain power (attack on Tombs of the Primeval Kings, attack on Dragon Festival) for what would lead to Nightfall – and Abaddon’s forces were leading theirs at the time so we can’t really say that the interest was Menzies’ or Dhuum’s as it could have merely been Abaddon’s strategizing and revenge against the other gods (like the Cataclysm, Jade Wind, and Searing).
  4. There are only three known “lesser gods” – demigods, as they’re called – for human culture: the Three Queens revered solely by Luxons. Whether they even truly exist is unknown in the first place, let alone if they’re still revered in GW2’s times. No Tyrian – except arguably a Luxon offshoot family – would revere them, chances are. So similarly, whether they’re “still around” is unclear.
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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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What can we categorize the spirits of the Norn then?

By definition and their believe they are more or less on the same level as the human gods, but judging from their display of power not as powerfull.

The extend we have seen from them was being “there” and answering question to combine their power captain planet style to light up one magic map (more or less, I know there is more here and there)
One of them has even been eaten by Jormag.

So they are apearently weaker then the eldar dragons.
Unfortunatly we do not know much about the six gods, as they are unfortunatly absent at the moment.

Is there any way we could gauge their “powerlevels”?