The human world
You may try to prove me wrong, but it seems so clear to me and nobody is mentioning it…
Do you have any in world proof?
You may try to prove me wrong, but it seems so clear to me and nobody is mentioning it…
Do you have any in world proof?
No, sorry, wrongly formulated. It’s still just a theory, but it looks so much more plausible that the other human world is in fact the real human world.
I don’t think that’s possible, since those two worlds are so different. Mists, magics ‘n’ stuff.
Iin bhiin lan anath
. . .
ban galla nir
. . .
ban galla nir
I don’t think that’s possible, since those two worlds are so different. Mists, magics ‘n’ stuff.
It is stated on the wiki that humans had little to no magic where they came from, thus they believed the gods created magic when the humans came to this world.
The mists connects all universes.
And we have ‘stuff’ here as well!
People have mentioned it, but keep in mind that where this world that humans came from, the Six Gods also came from, and possibly the Forgotten as well.
There are no Six Gods nor Forgotten on this world.
Nor is there really a need or explanation for saying “humans came from Earth” because… there really is no point in it.
Plus, how did humanity lose so much of their technology and knowledge in the move from Earth and Tyria?
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Plus, how did humanity lose so much of their technology and knowledge in the move from Earth and Tyria?
I don’t mean to support this theory, but if you put Earth and Tyria in the same time, even in that way, we were in ancient era when humans would come to Tyria.
But as I sai, I don’t think it’s the case, since lie you said, gods also came from world humans did.
Iin bhiin lan anath
. . .
ban galla nir
. . .
ban galla nir
It would still be in AD, which is hardly an “ancient era” – even if you ignore the whole “missing five days a year” thing (which even in-universe has only been recently “fixed”) it’d still be around the time of Jesus’ life that humans showed up – there’d already have been Greece’s high point and Rome’s high points having taken place, certainly no era of lost knowledge. Plus I don’t think even in ancient history did we ever have upright snakes (cannot even think of such mythological beasts beyond naga).
Sure it’s something that could be done, but not without a LOT of head-scratching at this point in time. Only way for that to work would be if it was an alternate reality Earth – where things from our mythology were true and then it’d turn out that centaurs, naga, and other races also came from Earth via the gods. But that’s far from all that original, which is what ArenaNet at least tries to become (sans their over-use of rl references).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
…sans their over-use of rl references).
Thank god, I thought I was the only one who thought that…
Obsidian Sky – SoR
I troll because I care
I troll because I care
There’s a Jotun in Hoelbrak (Thruln the Lost or something) that states humans came ‘from over the sea’. The gods favored the Jotun at that time, and ignored the humans until they developed. That story, although obviously prone to generations of hearsay, does put some doubt in the whole ‘gods brought humans to Tyria from another dimension’ idea.
If you can read this then it is proof that ArenaNet’s moderators just, kind and fair.
I know there are multiple explanations of how the humans came to tyria: some say they came from the south, others say they first came to orr… And the same goes for the gods as well: they first came to orr from the mists, yet they we’re also around when the Jotun were a great race. It doesn’t really add up.
I can’t seem to find any statement that the gods came from the same world as the humans, yet should there be such evidence, there are other historical theories that would counter it.
I’d say the gods were inhabitants of the mists, made contact with the Jotun from the mists and when they came to Tyria, they brought along the humans from another world connected to the mists.
I don’t think that the loss of human technology or mythology is a big feature. I’d imagine there was a relatively small group of humans who came to Tyria. They were ‘dropped’ in a completely new world with different sights and different laws of nature. The little inteligence they brought along (most of them were probably unschooled peasants) could’ve been replaced by new methods that did aply to Tyria.
And while our earthly gods never really spoke to us except for the occasionnal burning bush, the gods on Tyria were walking around in a city, guiding the humans.
If I was transported to a strange world, I’d rather follow the helpfull godlike creatures than stick to knowledge from my old world.
Keep in mind that this is still just a theory and I don’t have any proof, yet there also isn’t proof for any other theory. This just seems the most likely to me.
There’s a Jotun in Hoelbrak (Thruln the Lost or something) that states humans came ‘from over the sea’. The gods favored the Jotun at that time, and ignored the humans until they developed. That story, although obviously prone to generations of hearsay, does put some doubt in the whole ‘gods brought humans to Tyria from another dimension’ idea.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Origins-of-the-Humans/first#content Recently discussed and you should note that Thruln is outright wrong in quite a bit of places and you should note that while humans did come to continental Tyria from across the sea at one point this thread is talking about before that – about the world they came from through the portal Dwayna opened which happened long (centuries) before what Thruln is talking about.
One of the things Thruln is outright wrong about is the gods’ view of humanity seeing how it was explicitly stated multiple times by developers that the Six Gods brought humanity from another world. Here is one such interview with a developer stating such. “[…] dating back long before the Gods brought the humans to the world […]”
I know there are multiple explanations of how the humans came to tyria: some say they came from the south, others say they first came to orr… And the same goes for the gods as well: they first came to orr from the mists, yet they we’re also around when the Jotun were a great race. It doesn’t really add up.
I can’t seem to find any statement that the gods came from the same world as the humans, yet should there be such evidence, there are other historical theories that would counter it.
I’d say the gods were inhabitants of the mists, made contact with the Jotun from the mists and when they came to Tyria, they brought along the humans from another world connected to the mists. .
The explanations of human history actually are not as contradictory as you think. Humans arrived via boats on continental Tyria and Elona in 205 BE, but in 786 BE they first arrived in Cantha – these are facts. The claim of humans arriving via portal is a separate, older, event stated by the Orrian History Scrolls and an “Avatar of Grenth.”: There are no dates or order of events tied to this event, just that it happened. On top of that, Jeff Grubb said in an interview that “It seems, from their previous appearances, that they have come up from the south, so the “human homeland” may be further south than Elona and Cantha.” Though it seems contradictory at first, it actually isn’t – kitten long as Jeff wasn’t giving us a red herring (go south enough and you end up north of where you were and vice versa) – but instead it means that humanity was not on Orr long enough to leave an impact, thus it cannot be called their “homeland.”
If one looks at this image of Tyria taken from the globe in the Chantry of Secrets, one can see that there is a continent east of Cantha (still south of Elona), and a large island south of Cantha. Either can be the homeland – though if one adds in the An Empire Divided claims of human arrival on Cantha, one notes they likely came from the east (first settling Cantha on Shing Jea and northeast shores). This would place that continent east of Cantha as the homeland.
And there’s nothing contradictory about the gods either – if Thruln’s claim of an Age of Giants was post-last ED rise like it’s heavily implied then there’s no issue at all, as the gods’ arrival is never said elsewhere to be after the jotun’s fall (nor do we know when said fall took place). Though if the Age of Giants was pre-last ED rise, then there’s a contradiction and Thruln is simply wrong (otherwise a dozen+ other sources would be wrong instead).
As to humans and gods coming from the same world:
“She chose Tyria and brought with her those who would make this world a paradise. As she had promised, Dwayna led her people to peace.”
From Orrian History Scrolls. Dwayna brought with her humanity – from where she came, humanity came. Like a bag of luggage. :P
On the bit of forgetting the past… we’ll just have to disagree there. But one does not simply “forget” their technology and past – it’d have to be actively wiped out (and we know how good the gods are at that, given how much of Abaddon was left about in the world).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
(edited by Konig Des Todes.2086)
What would the lore forum be without you Konig? :p
That does make my theory a bit harder. I could say that Dwayna could’ve been a transformed human, or she came to earth in the years before she migrated the humans, or she is a re-interpretation of an earthly god like Shiva or something…
But since that’s not convincing at all there’s no point in that.
Yet I do still think technology could be forgotten over a short period of time when we’re introduced to a whole new world. When it turns out that the largest part of everything you believe is wrong, you can’t contact your old world and you can’t even be certain wether it was real… There are great beings right in front of you telling you how to act, telling you this is your world now… Why build on your previous technology while we can (and have to) explore a new world with different laws… I think we might forget our earthlyness rather fast, and this happened over generations.
But yeah, we’ll just have to disagree on that.