Guild Wars 2

So, here’s a question… how are dragons like Tequatl and the Shatterer related to Zhaitan? Is Zhaitan the leader? Or does he consider the other dragons like brothers?

I would like to know as… I’m thinking of putting them in my story I’m writing about my character.

Tequatl is a champion of the Elder Dragon Zhaitan.
The Shatterer is a champion of the Elder Dragon Kralkatorrik.

So yes, Zhaitan is Tequatl’s leader. As for the relationship between the different “dragon factions”, e.g. between Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik (or Tequatl and the Shatterer): we don’t fully know. They seem to be keeping to themselves, any direct alliances or conflicts is yet to be seen.

Further reading for you: GW2 Wiki: Dragon champions

One wonders: was Tequatl anyone’s champion when he was still alive?

Titus.4285:

Tequatl is a champion of the Elder Dragon Zhaitan.
The Shatterer is a champion of the Elder Dragon Kralkatorrik.

So yes, Zhaitan is Tequatl’s leader. As for the relationship between the different “dragon factions”, e.g. between Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik (or Tequatl and the Shatterer): we don’t fully know. They seem to be keeping to themselves, any direct alliances or conflicts is yet to be seen.

Further reading for you: GW2 Wiki: Dragon champions

Thank you very much! That makes a lot more sense now.

Tachenon.5270:

One wonders: was Tequatl anyone’s champion when he was still alive?

Well, we’ve seen the corruption of Kralkatorrik, Primordus, Mordremoth, and Jormag, and Tequatl quite clearly was never one of those things.

“In order to reinforce their minions, the Elder Dragons created Champions to act as their right hands in their armies.”

While the Elder Dragons do have the ability to corrupt the races of Tyria, “minions” however (including champions) would probably not be corruptions, but constructs of the dragons. Therefore, Tequila has probably never been “alive”.

Strange thing though, is the champion’s (at least Glint’s) ability to break free from their EDs. How can this be if they are mere constructions.
Though I guess it could easily be explained akin to “man creates robot with AI > robot kills man and takes loot”.

There are the Eyes, Titus, and in the PS a risen norn is identified as a champion as well (Herboza the Wretched, for reference.) As for Teq… the fact that he is composed of flesh means he can’t be purely constructed, unless Zhaitan is capable of producing flesh and bone without any actual creature. Otherwise, whether just one big dragon or pieced together from a bunch of little things, whatever makes up Teq had to have been alive and by extension uncorrupted at one point.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

As for Teq… the fact that he is composed of flesh means he can’t be purely constructed, unless Zhaitan is capable of producing flesh and bone without any actual creature.

theres also the possibility that zhaitan’s champions, or at least the ones like tequatl, are formed from zhaitan’s own body, which from what i remember looks to be made up of multiple dragon shaped corpses

It’s an interesting thought, but ultimately, the dragon heads we see on Zhaitan look nothing at all like his lesser dragons do. It feels like wishful thinking for an exciting idea that missed its chance.

probably, but without confirmation that zhaitan can create his dragon champions from nothing, or that they are created from the corpses of some kind of lesser dragon species, all we can do is speculate. plus the idea that tequatl and his ilk are created from zhaitan’s body would explain the difference in size between lore and the game, from what we see, there are at least dozens of tequatl sized dragon champions but in game we only ever actually encounter four of them, again this is pure speculation and also incredibly unlikely

shadowfanatik.5160:

or that they are created from the corpses of some kind of lesser dragon species,

I think if there was a lesser dragon species that champions could be corrupted from there would be more evidence of them in the game. I’m not sure if there’s any evidence at all that there are lesser dragons that aren’t corrupted.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Tachenon.5270:

One wonders: was Tequatl anyone’s champion when he was still alive?

Well, we’ve seen the corruption of Kralkatorrik, Primordus, Mordremoth, and Jormag, and Tequatl quite clearly was never one of those things.

However there are subliminal hints that there might have been a dragon race in the distant past, which was fully/mostly wiped out by the Elder Dragons (who themselves may even be members of that race). The Bone Dragons from GW1 (which by lore what we see is only their front half – their hind legs torn off when unburying themselves from deep underground), Glint having eggs (it’s established – and quite logical – that dragon minions cannot reproduce, but if corrupted while pregnant, at least in the case of egg-laying species, they may give birth to minions; alternatively it is possible for champions to create minions via isolated chambers (crystals, ice shards, or the most egg-like creations of the Destroyer Queen) and we know that the former, potentially the latter, can result in eggs/minion-production-chambers that are in stasis, much like Glint’s egg – it’s unknown which case it is for Glint’s eggs, but the possibility of the former hints to a dragon race), and the appearance of both Zhaitan’s many champions, and the Claw of Jormag (which has ice-covered-bones as its legs, though it may just be bone-shaped ice).

Titus.4285:

“In order to reinforce their minions, the Elder Dragons created Champions to act as their right hands in their armies.”

While the Elder Dragons do have the ability to corrupt the races of Tyria, “minions” however (including champions) would probably not be corruptions, but constructs of the dragons. Therefore, Tequila has probably never been “alive”.

Strange thing though, is the champion’s (at least Glint’s) ability to break free from their EDs. How can this be if they are mere constructions.
Though I guess it could easily be explained akin to “man creates robot with AI > robot kills man and takes loot”.

Corrupting the land and other elements to create minions is still corruption. But don’t take the wiki’s wording so fine-tuned. We know there are many non-dragon shaped dragon champions which were once living beings (just about all of Zhaitan’s champions, for starters) and quite a few dragon champion-acting beings for Jormag and Kralkatorrik that were once living beings are known.

Glint herself is stated to have “regained” her free will (thanks to the forgotten) – which is how she broke free, other champions cannot because they, like all other minions, do not have free will – and you cannot regain something you never had in the first place, further hinting to her once having been a living being. And if she was… then what was she?

Torsailr.8456:

shadowfanatik.5160:

or that they are created from the corpses of some kind of lesser dragon species,

I think if there was a lesser dragon species that champions could be corrupted from there would be more evidence of them in the game. I’m not sure if there’s any evidence at all that there are lesser dragons that aren’t corrupted.

Booooooone Dragons!

No living non-corrupted lesser dragon, unless you count Saltspray Dragons, however. There’s evidence for potential, but no evidence for definitive.

Did a google search for the “created” part (that whole first sentence), and found quite a few exact matches. I kinda presumed it would initially have been mentioned somewhere official or semi-official.
But I guess that the matches I got may have just been copy-pastes off the wiki, since it goes waaay back before gw2’s release. Just to confirm: http://www.guildwars2sa.co.za/index.php is not an official site, right?

Titus.4285:

http://www.guildwars2sa.co.za/index.php is not an official site, right?

Not official