Guild Wars 2

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Also, posting things like “Agreed” or “Timeline impossible” without explanation doesn’t contribute to the conversation. Why do you agree or disagree with the OP? Don’t be afraid to go into detail! This is a speculation conversation after all.
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I just thought of this while writing a fanfic about the Escape from Lion’s Arch event.

There is an ascended item called Appleseller’s Lucky Cog. According to the in-game description, it is a smoothed cog that has the initials “T.L.” engraved on it.

The symbol for the Aetherblade pirates is a cog. It’s not implausible to think that Tybalt was a member of the sky pirates.

So it made me wonder:

1) Was he a former Aetherblade who decided to turn his life around?

2) In the game, Tybalt mentions that he worked as an office worker for the Whispers for 6 years. Was the story that he told our Whisper PCs a sham? Could he have been an agent spying on the pirates during this time?

3) In the Whispers storyline, there are some pirate themed events. If Tybalt had been a pirate in the past, it would explain why the order assigned him to the job. He could of known the ins and outs of pirate culture.

4) Could Tybalt have been a double agent working for both the Aetherblades and the Order of Whispers? If this ever turns out to be true, it would explain the events at Claw Island as an attempt on the charr’s life.

5) There are those in the community that believe that Tybalt never died because his prosthetic arm was no where to be found when the PCs took back Claw Island. So it’s possible that he could be working for them (assuming he was an Aetherblade to begin with). It is also possible that Tybalt faked his death to begin a new life.

I know these questions don’t have answers, but they’re fun to think about.

The Aetherblades seem to be a relatively newly formed group – as in, like the last year or so.

The Aetherblades are not just pirates/sky pirates – they are an alliance formed by Scarlet between a group of Pirates and a group of Inquest.

The personal story takes place before the Living Story. So,he would be dead long before the Aetherblades banded.

Tybalt was a charr engineer before he joined the Order. Iron Legion, whose symbol is- surprise surprise- a cog. I think being a mechanist in a legion that uses the cog as a symbol of their technological supremacy is sufficient to explain his keepsake.

Oh, and on your third point- the Order assigned Tybalt to track down a missing noblewoman. Since Tybalt didn’t report in when he was supposed to, they didn’t know that pirates were in any way involved until after the fact. Their decision could not, therefor, be considered an indication of a supposed affinity for seagoing scallywags.

1) timeline impossible
2) again impossible because of not only timeline but also how the OoW works
3) THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF LA ARE PIRATES!
4) points 1 and 2
5) Actually he just had his burned arm technologically improved, you can still see his burned arm on his model. Also that risen commander sure does talk stuff.

1) No. Aetherblades, by all indication, were formed post-Personal Story.
2) No. Before being an OoW, he was part of the Iron Legion and became a gladium.
3) The OoW had no clue that Tybalt would be going to deal with the Jackdaws – in fact, IIRC, Tybalt is chewed out first time entering the chantry during the storyline_for going against orders_ (that is, he was supposed to just look into it, iirc). Even then, the entirety of Lion’s Arch are pirates, more or less, and again, the Order of Whispers had no clue the Jackdaws were involved – or that the Ministry had caught up.
4) Again no. However, even if so, why would the Risen’s assault be an attempt on Tybalt’s life (i.e., assassination)? The Risen don’t work for Aetherblades.
5) You don’t see anything remnant of Forgal or Seiran. That theory is just people wishing one of their favorite characters weren’t dead – it’ll happen anywhere. But he’s dead. Arguably a risen.

Andele.1306:

1) timeline impossible
2) again impossible because of not only timeline but also how the OoW works
3) THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF LA ARE PIRATES!
4) points 1 and 2
5) Actually he just had his burned arm technologically improved, you can still see his burned arm on his model. Also that risen commander sure does talk stuff.

You need to elaborate on your theories. Saying things like “timeline is impossible” without suggesting another idea doesn’t contribute to the conversation. Why do you think the timeline and other ideas in the OP are impossible? Don’t be afraid to go into details!

It’s impossible because it’s been confirmed that the Personal Story takes place in 1325 AE. The Living Story begins after the death of Zhaitan. As others stated before Andele, the Aetherblades by all appearances is brand new – made by Scarlet, after all – and are seemingly made post-Zhaitan, ergo post-Personal Story, ergo post-Tybalt’s death.

How is the timeline impossible? What is the biggest signature of the Aetherblades? It’s their airships. Airshipsthat were stolen from the Pact. The Pact did not even exist until after the retaking of Claw Island. Ergo, there is no possible way the Aetherblades, who were clearly formed after the formation of the Pact, could have included Tybalt in their ranks.

Well, there is this Pact second mate of an airship who shouts ‘Why join the military when you can become a pirate!’ so I wonder if maybe the Aetherblades faction started to take form before Zhaitans death and that Scarlet just ‘enhanced’ the faction. (It’s late, I can’t think of a better word for it)

I don’t remember his name but he is in Fort Trinity (I saw him in the instance version, when you collect your reward for slaying the sovereign eye, the last mission before the kill Zhaitan part)

Jelle.4623:

Well, there is this Pact second mate of an airship who shouts ‘why join the military when you can become a pirate!’ so I wonder if maybe the aetherblade faction started to take form before Zhaitans dead and that Scarlet just ‘enhanced’ the faction. (It’s late, I can’t think of a better word for it)

I don’t remember his name but he is in Fort Trinity (I saw him in the instance version, when you collect your reward for slaying the sovereign eye, the last mission before the kill Zhaitan part)

I think it’s because that particular crew actually had been pirates who just signed on to avenge their losses to the risen. That particular line is just a generic pirate greeting.

You could still be right about some of an airship’s crew going rogue, but it wouldn’t have been that crew, seeing as they were helming the Glory of Tyria.

The Humble(?) actually, the Glory of Tyria was still being build/worked on in that mission.

And I don’t know, the captain and first mate didn’t have any pirate greetings although they were talking in ‘pirate’-like English.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It’s impossible because it’s been confirmed that the Personal Story takes place in 1325 AE. The Living Story begins after the death of Zhaitan. As others stated before Andele, the Aetherblades by all appearances is brand new – made by Scarlet, after all – and are seemingly made post-Zhaitan, ergo post-Personal Story, ergo post-Tybalt’s death.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

How is the timeline impossible? What is the biggest signature of the Aetherblades? It’s their airships. Airshipsthat were stolen from the Pact. The Pact did not even exist until after the retaking of Claw Island. Ergo, there is no possible way the Aetherblades, who were clearly formed after the formation of the Pact, could have included Tybalt in their ranks.

Which seems kind of wierd that you would have that large of a trained military force,…what, 8 months after Zhaitan’s death?

Jelle.4623:

The Humble(?) actually, the Glory of Tyria was still being build/worked on in that mission.

And I don’t know, the captain and first mate didn’t have any pirate greetings although they were talking in ‘pirate’-like English.

I know it was, but they were its crew. The crew of the first ship in Arah never showed up in the personal story.

Did the other two give you any greeting at all? It might just be that theirs didn’t trigger.

Chrispy.5641:

Which seems kind of wierd that you would have that large of a trained military force,…what, 8 months after Zhaitan’s death?

Not really. They already knew how to fight as a group, being pirates. 8 months is plenty of time to teach them to fight as a more organized group.

Are they? I’m almost sure that they were said to be the crew of the Humble. And the greetings (if any) they gave wasn’t anything special, at least not that I noticed. I remembered the Second Mate’s line because I found it odd that a Pact soldier said something like that.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Chrispy.5641:

Which seems kind of wierd that you would have that large of a trained military force,…what, 8 months after Zhaitan’s death?

Not really. They already knew how to fight as a group, being pirates. 8 months is plenty of time to teach them to fight as a more organized group.

…And that you have that large of a military force, that know completely different tactics than any other pirate faction on Tyria. What, Did Scarlet find time in her busy day creating alliances and watchwork abominations to train them or something?

I’m just saying that all that preparation, training, military building, etc. had to of taken years, not a few months. Yeah, they might have gotten access to Pact airships,… later, and in probably long after forming.

^for training you have sergeants, you don’t need Scarlets for that.

Jelle.4623:

^for training you have sergeants, you don’t need Scarlets for that.

Who trained the Sergeants?

Jelle.4623:

Are they? I’m almost sure that they were said to be the crew of the Humble. And the greetings (if any) they gave wasn’t anything special, at least not that I noticed. I remembered the Second Mate’s line because I found it odd that a Pact soldier said something like that.

… huh. You’re right, they do say the Humble during that instance, but then they showed up flying the Glory during the dungeon. That’s… odd.

Again, doesn’t have to be Scarlet. Pirates probably haven’t always been pirates, there might be deserters from a military force among them. Also, pirates are bound to have have captains, first mates, quarter masters and a few other ranks where I don’t know the English term for. These guys make good sergeants I guess.

Chrispy.5641:

Jelle.4623:

^for training you have sergeants, you don’t need Scarlets for that.

Who trained the Sergeants?

Honestly, it’s not unlikely that some of the charr were responsible for the training regimens. Scarlet approached the pirates, offering them inquest help and airships if they would train to a disciplined fighting force. The pirates already knew how to fight, they just needed discipline. Those who were charr already had disciplined training back at the fahrar, and the more experienced ones could easily take command and train the pirates into an actual army. Some of them were already captains.

Hmm well there are more faults in that crew, couple of days back I added an anomaly in the wiki for that instance, the first mate implies that the captain is a Charr but he is a Norn… So the Humble wouldn’t be the only mistake in their dialogue. Either that or there are unexplained reasons for them showing up on the Glory instead of the Humble.

Also the symbol for the aetherblades is not a cog, it’s a skull with a partial cog in the cranium, the skull is biting a sword.