Guild Wars 2

Sorry this got a bit long winded

Smodur the Unflinching as the imperator of the Iron Legion and the holder of the Claw of the Khan-Ur is in a good position to unify the legions with threats from ebonhawk mainly gone (there are still some separatists), and ghost born musket making the ghosts take longer to reform. He is progressive in comparison to other Charr legions imperators as he allows other species to enter into the black citadel, while still not being foolish about it (the explosives set around the asura portal. With his power, influence, might, cunning, bloodline, and artifact he may have attained most of the things he would need to unite the legions. he has had his list of enemies reduced through Balefire’s death and the weakening of the flame legion, while allowing the vigil to use resources to fight the flame legion and dredge alliance. his only fully functioning enemy is the brand with this all in mind do we think that if he unites the legions will he bring the flame legion back into the fold something that has value they can add to his military/conquests, or crush them. To me I think he will bring them back into the fold as he shows his willingness to forgive past enemies by allowing them to enter the black citadel, I mean humans, they could also prove to be a major asset in the future to the charr legions.

What are your opinions about how this situation could work out?

I’m fairly certain that “Smodur the UNFLINCHING” will not waver on the charr’s stance on the Flame Legion. He’s radical, but I don’t think he’d be that crazy as to forgive the flame and bring them back into the High Legions. And if he did, I’m sure that the other legions/Imperators would oust him, no matter how much good he’s been doing.

The Flame Legion will rule the other 3 or die trying. They will never obey any other legions.

Personally, I think they should push to crush the flame legion. I’m sure reformed flame legion could be re-incorporated though. I think they make a good enemy. It’d also be nice to see another rise up in place of Balefire, maybe a firestorm from the alliance? Just don’t want it to be another case of one being introduced and killed in the same encounter. I think it’d be far more interesting to see a revitalized flame legion post molten alliance as an ongoing big threat.
Tdrl; we need more good enemies not less.

Ghostbore technology actually destroys the ghosts permanently.

Since he is so progressive, I think he would institute a new flame legion (or maybe a different magic legion from the minor legions) after working to crush the Flame legion proper. All he would need is a charr with a direct lineage to the last khan urs son. I say this because no matter the legion, all major legions recognize the usefulness of magic.

As for your question, I don’t think he’d reincorporate the Flame- not out of stigma or dogma, but out of a well-justified view that they cannot be trusted and will take any opportunity to usurp power. The Flame are not an asset. An asset is something like a gun, which can be directed to bring destruction where one will. The Flame would be more akin to a lit explosive strapped to one’s wrist.

All that said, I am not convinced Smodur is in a position to make a successful bid for leadership of the entire race.

@Dustfinger: Really? It’s been a while since I played that storyline, but I’m 95% sure it said it just dispersed them longer.

ghostbore technology just multiplies the time necessary for ghosts to reform. recently watched the relevant PS parts

Yes but we have also killed quite a lot of the flame legions leadership don’t you think that a headless snake could be make to follow a new master?

Killed Imperator Balefire
Killed 3 Tribunes I believe (path 1 CoF [the guy making the searing effigy], path 3 tribune, and the one that is killed in south central fireheart rise)

With there only being 10 tribunes at a time and assuming no new tribunes have been appointed at best for them they would be down to 7 tribunes and no imperator. Imagine if this was the US government it would be similar to the president, Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce, Defense all being killed it would leave huge areas of the nation vulnerable. (not a perfect example I know)

Hmm. im gonna have to rewatch that ghostbore tech.

edit: Pulled it up in youtube. Right you are. In the beginning he sais it is a permanent solution to the ghosts, then Rytlock says it takes them longer to reform. So the permanent solution may be in conjunction with the iron containment units.

@infamous, that just furthers what I was saying about having some molten alliance guys step up and become new leadership. It would lend some rationale behind why the xenophobic flame legion would even consider working with Scarlett, the dredge or anyone else. I think that would be a great way to branch the living story out, keep relevance, consistency and not really have to deal with Scarlett herself and still see the effects of her machinations.

@Edusd yes it does give them some reasoning to join up with the dredge as they may have been feeling a bit cornered but if their alliance is defeated, as they have taken several losses in the destruction of their weapons plants, could the alliance’s/scarlet’s defeat be the final straw that completely breaks the flame legion’s will to fight and destroys the moral of their soldiers. Thus brining them under Smodur’s control. I absolutely agree that in their current state they wouldn’t be willing to join the alliance or serve under Smoder, but as his list of enemies shrinks his power will grow not to mention the advances in technology made by his legion.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

Yes but we have also killed quite a lot of the flame legions leadership don’t you think that a headless snake could be make to follow a new master?

Killed Imperator Balefire
Killed 3 Tribunes I believe (path 1 CoF [the guy making the searing effigy], path 3 tribune, and the one that is killed in south central fireheart rise)

With there only being 10 tribunes at a time and assuming no new tribunes have been appointed at best for them they would be down to 7 tribunes and no imperator. Imagine if this was the US government it would be similar to the president, Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce, Defense all being killed it would leave huge areas of the nation vulnerable. (not a perfect example I know)

Flame Legion has bowed down to Scarlet recently it seems.

It should be noted that, until the Nightmare Court and excluding the Aetherblades, all those who worked for Scarlet has had their former leadership removed. The Flame Legion you pointed out; the dredge lost their old moletariate and is in a civil war to restate a new one; the Inquest lost Kudu.

It’s possible that the Aetherblades are meant to be post-Taidha’s death Covington Pirates, as Taidha was an admiral who had led multiple pirate captains under her (all of which are shown located in Bloodtide Coast). Though the Order of Whispers was trying to get that laid-back Elonian pirate to be the leader, nothing says they succeeded.

Though given the billions of Aetherblades killed… one has to wonder where the hell they got their forces from.

Ah, sorry, I went off topic.

TL;DR Flame Legion seems to be working with Scarlet in full given the returned numbers of the Molten Alliance.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

@Edusd yes it does give them some reasoning to join up with the dredge as they may have been feeling a bit cornered but if their alliance is defeated, as they have taken several losses in the destruction of their weapons plants, could the alliance’s/scarlet’s defeat be the final straw that completely breaks the flame legion’s will to fight and destroys the moral of their soldiers. Thus brining them under Smodur’s control. I absolutely agree that in their current state they wouldn’t be willing to join the alliance or serve under Smoder, but as his list of enemies shrinks his power will grow not to mention the advances in technology made by his legion.

Doubtful. Even the lowest grunts of the Flame Legion seem to be sexist. It’s part of ArenaNet’s way of making sure players are always “the good guys” – by making enemy factions black (despite their claims otherwise). All enemy factions seem to be heartless stab-their-mothers-in-the-back folks, with only a small handful of exceptions among them.

I believe the Flame Legion on a whole – not just the leaders but the grunts as well – are far too stubborn and held up in their old beliefs to come into the charr legions peacefully. They would either need to be wiped out or enslaved – and doing the later just makes the rest of the charr hypocrites, which they don’t seem interested in being.