Guild Wars 2

A theory I have seen going around is that the order the orbs begin to glow and move around in the order the Elder Dragons awoke and began activity.

1. Orange, Primoridus, Elder Dragon of fire
2. Blue, the Deep Sea Dragon, Elder Dragon of water
3. Pale blue, Jormag, Elder Dragon of Ice
4. Poison green, Zhaitan, Elder Dragon of decay and undead
5. Purple, Kralkatorrik, Elder Dragon of crystal
6. Black (green glow), Mordremoth, Elder Dragon of the jungle and wood

The poison green orb slamming into the center orb is possibly after Zhaitan dies his magic and the magic he consumed being distributed back into the “roots” of Tyria or possibly consumed by the five remaining Elder Dragons.

(This is NOT my theory, but a collection of ideas I have seen on a video by Wooden Potatoes in both the comments section and some of it from the video itself.)

there are like, 500 threads on this already, on page 1. if you want to discuss it, please use one that has plenty of posts so we can avoid redundancy.

Wooden Potatoes’ video has been picked apart thoroughly on the forums already. We have a very elaborate discussion on the subject here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Spoiler-Ancient-Dragon/page/2

This discussion also outlines the problems with trying to make the order in which the orbs “wake up”, work with the order in which we know the Elder Dragons woke up. The Green orb quite clearly is Modremoth, and not Zhaitan, no matter how convenient that may seem. And it’s just very difficult to bend it in a way that it makes sense. In which case it is better to abandon the idea, and look for other explanations.

And this continues to be my beef with Wooden Potatoes. He makes a lot of really fun videos, but he so often gets the lore wrong. And then we get an explosion on the forums of people following up on what he said in the video, and we have to explain all the things he got wrong. I wish he would fact check a bit more often. Perhaps check in with the lore community every now and… well… ever.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Wooden Potatoes’ video has been picked apart thoroughly on the forums already. We have a very elaborate discussion on the subject here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Spoiler-Ancient-Dragon/page/2

This discussion also outlines the problems with trying to make the order in which the orbs “wake up”, work with the order in which we know the Elder Dragons woke up. The Green orb quite clearly is Modremoth, and not Zhaitan, no matter how convenient that may seem. And it’s just very difficult to bend it in a way that it makes sense. In which case it is better to abandon the idea, and look for other explanations.

And this continues to be my beef with Wooden Potatoes. He makes a lot of really fun videos, but he so often gets the lore wrong. And then we get an explosion on the forums of people following up on what he said in the video, and we have to explain all the things he got wrong. I wish he would fact check a bit more often. Perhaps check in with the lore community every now and… well… ever.

well to be honest, all he did was list the popular theories he heard/read. he’s not stating any of them as facts.

Mad Queen Malafide, does lore really matter much anymore? I used to be really into the lore but since they named Mordremoth way out of context, and no explanation for it, why worry so much about lore and theories? ANet is going to do whatever they want to do with the story regardless of what we may or may not claim is fact and must be true, because they don’t seem to care either which way.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

And this continues to be my beef with Wooden Potatoes. He makes a lot of really fun videos, but he so often gets the lore wrong. And then we get an explosion on the forums of people following up on what he said in the video, and we have to explain all the things he got wrong. I wish he would fact check a bit more often. Perhaps check in with the lore community every now and… well… ever.

I have a lot of respect for WP. At the conclusion of Season 1, he did a special video basically running down all of his predictions made in preparation for Season 1 and talked about what he got wrong, what was mislead, what he missed, etc. The fault isn’t with WP, it’s more the audience thinking that he’s right all the time (when he has actually gone out of his way to point out his errors in reflection of past projects) that creates the issue.

“I used to be really into the lore but since they named Mordremoth way out of context, and no explanation for it, why worry so much about lore and theories? "

Season 1 was completely unbelievable in parts so if you managed to get through that then you shouldn’t be worried by your characters revealing something that should have been common knowledge (but surprisingly wasn’t).

Ronin.7381:

I have a lot of respect for WP. At the conclusion of Season 1, he did a special video basically running down all of his predictions made in preparation for Season 1 and talked about what he got wrong, what was mislead, what he missed, etc. The fault isn’t with WP, it’s more the audience thinking that he’s right all the time (when he has actually gone out of his way to point out his errors in reflection of past projects) that creates the issue.

I think that is a fair point. And you are right. I also respect WP for at least getting so many players interested in the lore.

I don’t think it matters as much that he gets stuff wrong. We all get stuff wrong, that’s why we discuss things as a community instead of sitting around with lore in our heads. It’s also why the lore forum can be a fun place to be, you get to throw out ideas, often misguided, and be corrected or spark discussions with other people. Sometimes your way off and nothing much comes from it, but most times small pieces of the story, plot threads or ideas are explored and they help to solidify the overall understanding of events.

Even if he’s completely wrong about the Bloodstones, the revival of the Bloodstones discussion is worthwhile to have, players excited about GW1 lore and chasing down links in GW2 can dig up something that might lead to something else.

I don’t think WP’s big picture theories have ever been correct but a lot of them have been more exciting than what ended up in the game. Most of them have pushed discussions and enthusiasm which resulted in more comprehensive lore threads.

Shiren.9532:

I don’t think WP’s big picture theories have ever been correct but a lot of them have been more exciting than what ended up in the game. Most of them have pushed discussions and enthusiasm which resulted in more comprehensive lore threads.

I do think this is a double-edged sword. Which I can relate to because I was there in GW1 in love with the idea that Menzies was trying to pull a powerplay aftert Abaddon’s fall that would jeopardize Balthazaar’s place of power. Unfortunately, what we got was a lousy end-boss fight that consisted of zerging through pools of lava.

What I mean is that it’s nice to get hyped for something but it can be pretty gnarly to get something less of value over it. So people were really need to take what everyone is saying, across all isles, with a grain of salt. Otherwise you lead yourself to disappointment and you start caring less.

Sometimes I wonder if Mordremoth was actually intended to be a target in Season 2 or that because people were just saying it so much that the developers decided it was a good idea to include him. Fan-service as it were.