Warbands and Charr Love
That’s an interesting question… I was under the impression that cubs were raised to be loyal to their Legion first, their Warband second, and to the Charr third. But you’re right, there are examples in-game of Charr (usually gladiums) who have switched Legions when they join a new Warband.
I believe that each Legion has its own fahrar, but which fahrar the parents they send their cub to probably depends more on location than anything else. A Blood Legion mother serving in the Iron Citadel would probably send her cub to the Iron Legion fahrar simply because of its close proximity; she doesn’t need to take extended time off to travel back to the Blood Legion lands, and she can also continue to keep an eye on her child. The lore is a bit sketchy on whether Charr parents continue to maintain relations with their children after they join the fahrar, but based on the Sire story arc for Charr characters, I’d say that the answer is usually “yes”.
Charr couples, however, are a different story. Some Charr, particularly those living outside Charr lands, probably live in nuclear family-like structures to compensate for the lack of the fahrar and other Charr social support groups. Among Charr living in their homeland, it’d probably be a case of “stay together as long as we like each other”, since the fact that cubs are sent to the fahrar means that there’s no reason to stay together for the cub’s sake if they can’t stand each other.
All members of the same warband are under the same Legion. So you cannot have a charr who’s a member of one legion in a warband who has a member of another legion. However, you can have where a charr transferred into/out of that warband from/into another warband and legion – much like how you get your second warband member in the Iron Legion storyline. Alternatively, you can have a charr who’s assigned to work with another warband of another legion long-term, as well as, if Ash Legion, working undercover in another warband.
But a single warband cannot be within two Legions. But changing Legions is, while uncommon (in all four cases in the personal storyline, it is only said to be possible because Rytlock pulled some strings for you because he wubs u).
As for charr commitments – it depends on the individuals. It’s explained in Ghosts of Ascalon that most charr don’t have long lasting relationships, but it does happen. Snarl and Galena I suspect would be in the uncommon category, personally.
@Zaxares: There’s multiple fahrars per legion, and which fahrar a parent sends their cub to is first chosen by the legion the fahrar serves. There’s cubs in Plains of Ashford where its mentioned their folks crossed the Dragonbrand to take them to the Black Citadel fahrar because that’s the best Iron Legion fahrar in their parents’ opinions. Location doesn’t seem to matter much to them. But there’d be Blood Legion and Ash Legion fahrars in Ascalon just as well as Iron Legion fahrars.
As for when parents continue to maintain relations with their children – you’re also wrong here. The usual answer is “no” – the PC’s sire for Loyal Soldier was unusual in that he kept tabs, and the other two only came back in contact when something was up (well, the Honorless Gladium sire didn’t come back in contact – you hunted him down). Most parents and children only keep tabs on each other to know what they’ve been up to on a professional level, and nothing more.
Most of what you’re wrong at is shown in The Legions of the Charr. – the parent/child relation, I think, was mentioned in an interview though.
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(edited by Konig Des Todes.2086)
I second everything what Konig said, but I’ll add another thing – love between Legions.
It’s not forbidden, but individuals have to be sure that they doesn’t slip any confidential info. I think it is mainly Ash Legion’s concern.
I was under the impression that cubs were raised to be loyal to their Legion first, their Warband second, and to the Charr third.
Actually I thought that it’s the other way around. I mean cubs are raised to be loyal to their warband first and Legion second, because warband keeps them alive and they have to know that they trust each other with their lives.
@Konig: Ah, didn’t know that about the multiple fahrars per Legion. I was under the impression that each Legion only had one Primus, and by extension, there was only one fahrar. Perhaps Primus is simply the title given to the Charr in charge of a particular fahrar, and there could be multiple Primuses (Primes?) at any one time.
Noted about the parent-child relationship too. I was basing my answer off my experiences in the Sorcerous Shaman Sire path, where it seems that Clement Forktail regretted not playing more of a role in the Charr PC’s life. Of course, this may be his personal attitude and not indicative of Charr as a whole. It does seem though that, based on overheard NPC conversations around the Black Citadel, that Charr parents (or perhaps civilian ones, at least) do remain a large part of their children’s lives.
@Penny: That’s what I thought too, but during the Sorcerous Shaman path, a Flame Legion shaman confronts Clement Forktail and accuses him of betraying his warband to the Iron Legion. Clement responds by saying that he should have remained loyal to his Legion first, and not followed his warband to the Flame Legion out of loyalty to them. Warbands do fracture, after all; there are leadership challenges, deaths of old members and new members are occasionally inducted into the warband, but the Legion remains constant.
@Penny: That’s what I thought too, but during the Sorcerous Shaman path, a Flame Legion shaman confronts Clement Forktail and accuses him of betraying his warband to the Iron Legion. Clement responds by saying that he should have remained loyal to his Legion first, and not followed his warband to the Flame Legion out of loyalty to them. Warbands do fracture, after all; there are leadership challenges, deaths of old members and new members are occasionally inducted into the warband, but the Legion remains constant.
Hmm, now when I look at it from this point you have right, however when I played Sorcerous Shaman path I thought “Clement, you are so stupid…” because it looked like he was loyal to his warband without even thinking about what they were doing. It’s not like you have to follow your warband blindly, when you think that your Legionnaire is leading you to disaster it is charr’s right to disobey him/her. But well from this point loyalty chain with the Legion at the first place sounds legit.
Perhaps Primus is simply the title given to the Charr in charge of a particular fahrar, and there could be multiple Primuses (Primes?) at any one time.
That would be correct. You may have been mistaking Primus with the alternative title for Khan-Ur: Primus Imperator, in which there can be only one.
Noted about the parent-child relationship too. I was basing my answer off my experiences in the Sorcerous Shaman Sire path, where it seems that Clement Forktail regretted not playing more of a role in the Charr PC’s life. Of course, this may be his personal attitude and not indicative of Charr as a whole. It does seem though that, based on overheard NPC conversations around the Black Citadel, that Charr parents (or perhaps civilian ones, at least) do remain a large part of their children’s lives.
@Penny: That’s what I thought too, but during the Sorcerous Shaman path, a Flame Legion shaman confronts Clement Forktail and accuses him of betraying his warband to the Iron Legion. Clement responds by saying that he should have remained loyal to his Legion first, and not followed his warband to the Flame Legion out of loyalty to them. Warbands do fracture, after all; there are leadership challenges, deaths of old members and new members are occasionally inducted into the warband, but the Legion remains constant.
To the parent-child thing, from my memory that only case of a parent’s influence on a child in the Black Citadel is from where adults are talking about children activities (which doesn’t necessarily mean they’re parents – the Black Citadel does have a fahrar so whether or not they’re parents there’d be a lot more adult-child interaction than compared to other known fahrars in Ascalon, such as the one in Fields of Ruin), and the one of a charr parent from LA (iirc) giving her child a tour before sending him off to a fahrar.
As to the loyalty to warbands of Legion – it’s typically to warband first, and that situation shows such – Clement was loyal to his warband, who defected from the Iron Legion into the Flame Legion, but later regretted his actions and wished he remained loyal to his Legion. And as just said, the Legion that a warband serves does not remain constant – a whole warband could probably be transferred to a different Legion, just as the whole warband may defect to Flame as Clement’s did.
Hmm, now when I look at it from this point you have right, however when I played Sorcerous Shaman path I thought “Clement, you are so stupid…” because it looked like he was loyal to his warband without even thinking about what they were doing. It’s not like you have to follow your warband blindly, when you think that your Legionnaire is leading you to disaster it is charr’s right to disobey him/her. But well from this point loyalty chain with the Legion at the first place sounds legit.
That pretty much was what he was doing – being blindly loyal to his warband, rather than really thinking about the situation. And its an action he later regretted, hence why he came clean to his child (and basically, hence the entire plot of that storyline).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.