What are the Scepter of Orr/Mists?

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

Q:

So in GW1 we were presented with the Scepter of Orr and Staff of the Mists.

The Scepter of Orr has the ability to control the undead, and Abaddon’s titans.

The Staff of the Mists however… Not much is known about its powers, but it’s capable of stealing life.

In the end cutscene of Eye of the North, Livia took the Scepter of Orr, and we never heard from the staves again.

So the question remains.. WHAT are they? What, why, why, what, WHY?

WHY could the Scepter of Orr control undead? Who created it? It could command titans, so could it possibly control Abddon’s demon titans too for his generals like the Undead Lich? Why didn’t the Titans simply follow their commander’s orders, like the Margonites and Verash?

And WHY undead? Did Abaddon ever have powers over the undead? Why did the Cataclysm make a bunch of undead corpses in Orr, and where did they go!? Did the undead simply swim in the ocean at their sunken city until commanded by the Scepter or Orr?

And WHO created the scepter if Abaddon clearly cannot create or command undead? Who even created the Cataclysm!? Why was it brought up by Trahearne in Guild Wars 2 as a passing comment without clarification? Isn’t undeadening Zhaitan’s powers and
NOT Abaddon’s? So why did it suddenly control the Titans!?

And WHAT is the Staff of the Mists? Whereas the Sceptor of Orr controls “beyond forces”, what the heck is the Staff of the Mists supposed to be? Really… The ONLY thing we know about it is it has a life steal mechanic against foes ingame, and the Margonites wanted it.. So we had to toss this supposedly powerful staff we know nothing about into a pit it will be destroyed and never heard from again!??

As much as I love GW lore, I don’t understand this supposedly important part of the story! I’ve played every single campaign, and read NPC dialogue for nearly every quest. Maybe I’ve missed something here, or is this just a repeat of the GS ball from Pokemon Season 2 where they just decided it’s not important anymore and completely scrapped it from the plot after such huge build up and importance? Or did I really miss something here?

PLEASE someone explain to me what the heck is going on here? It’s bad enough GW has two different species of Undead at the SAME location (Orr), but those two staves are never clarified anywhere in the plots of Guild Wars 1 or 2!

What, why, why, what, who, why, what, who, what, why, why, WHY, WHY?

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Posted by: Phrixscreoth.6895

Phrixscreoth.6895

I’d personally prefer to know where they are now.

The Cataclysm was a powerful spell buried in the vaults under Orr. It was activated by Vizier Kilbaron when the Char attacked Orr near the beginning of GW1.

The Staff didn’t control titans, as I recall, just undead, and happened to be the key to opening the door that the titans were locked behind.

I would guess that the staff of Orr and the spell that destroyed them all were simply artifacts created way back when in a time where magic and power were frequently experimented with and pushed to their limits. Who created them is more or less irrelevant. It’s that they exist and can cause mayhem that is the important thing.

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Posted by: Verteiron.8734

Verteiron.8734

My guess is that the Scepters are magical artifacts associated in some way with Zhaitan, probably a piece of his body or power left over from a very long time ago. That would explain why the Scepter of Orr could command the undead… they were responding to the power of Zhaitan.

We know other dragon-related artifacts have been used, like the Cauldron of Cataclysm, which flung bits of Kralkatorrik crystal all over Ascalon. The Scepters being associated with Zhaitan isn’t all that far-fetched.

Maybe it was the massive use of the Scepter, the Cauldron, and other Dragon leavings (Asuras draining magic from Primordus) during the first Guild Wars that led to the awakening of the Dragons.

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Posted by: Lutinz.6915

Lutinz.6915

My take on it was the Scepter of Orr allow the user to control souls. This would explain why it could control the undead and the titans since the titans were forged from tormented souls.

The Staff of the Mists apparently had the ability to manipulate reality. I dont think we really ever got to see it used properly before we destroyed it.

Both items were apparently made to help the mortal races protect themselves or at least that is what the Forgotten told us about them. Naturally however they got exploited.

At this point however I probably wouldnt try and guess how they came about. We are told the Gods made them for mortals but considering how much of what we thought about early human and god activities are wrong, the staff and the scepter could easily have another source of creation. Infact it could have been the Forgotten themselves who created them.

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Posted by: Alex the Precise.3654

Alex the Precise.3654

The Orrian undead probably came from Zhaitan indirectly. He was sleeping beneath Orr when it sunk, how deep we don’t know. When the kingdom went crashing down it might have created a way for his passive corruption to emerge. WE know that the other dragons gave off magic and corruption even while sleeping. Primordius powered the entire Asura gate network and All those bodies mixed with a sleeping dragons years before his awakening started pumping out destroyers. Latent magic could have raised all those undead but without Zhaitan’s conscious influence they were just a wandering force. I am a fan of the “Scepter of Orr was a piece of or somehow related to Zhaitan” theory as it would explain how it could be used to influence Zhaitan’s undead. Brings up the question of where it is now and can it be used against his remaining forces or did he simply reabsorb it at some point?

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Posted by: Strang.8170

Strang.8170

As far as i recall sceptr of orr granted power over things not of this world, and staff of the mists allowed wielder to bend the fabric of reality.
Gameplay wise energy and hp control.

Undead, have souls, not of this world, thus fall under the influence of scepter.
Similiarly titans are created from tortured souls, again not of this world and fall under the influence.

Just a theory ofcourse.

As for a link to zhaitan, i just don´t see any.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

The Staff didn’t control titans, as I recall, just undead, and happened to be the key to opening the door that the titans were locked behind.

No and no.

Khilbron already had control over the undead when he recieved the scepter, so it could have been a cover story. However, he was able to order the titans around. Furthermore, it was not the key to opening the Door of Komalie – technically, there is no key. Destroying the five/six soul batteries there opened the Door – the Scepter wasn’t needed for that part.

The Orrian undead probably came from Zhaitan indirectly. He was sleeping beneath Orr when it sunk, how deep we don’t know. When the kingdom went crashing down it might have created a way for his passive corruption to emerge. WE know that the other dragons gave off magic and corruption even while sleeping. Primordius powered the entire Asura gate network and All those bodies mixed with a sleeping dragons years before his awakening started pumping out destroyers. Latent magic could have raised all those undead but without Zhaitan’s conscious influence they were just a wandering force. I am a fan of the “Scepter of Orr was a piece of or somehow related to Zhaitan” theory as it would explain how it could be used to influence Zhaitan’s undead. Brings up the question of where it is now and can it be used against his remaining forces or did he simply reabsorb it at some point?

The problem with this theory is that we have outright confirmation that:

1) Orrians had no clue about Zhaitan, which we can infer to mean that there was no heavy necrotic powers there (however they knew it for being a highly magical place, but then again the Six Gods lived there and brought a kitten ton of magical artifacts, such as the bloodstones, there for years – the bloodstone itself was even shattered in Arah).
2) The Cataclysm did nothing to Zhaitan, so its unlikely that the undead were created by his magic unless Orr always had an undead problem, which by the sounds of it is not the case (since they have tombs – and if there was an undead problem they would have been cremating for centuries).

Source: http://www.guildmag.com/guildmag-special-zhaitans-secrets

Furthermore, the nature of Khilbron’s undead and the risen are fairly separate. The Orrian undead – the true undead – range from skeletons to specters, they appear mindless and follow Khilbron’s orders and afterwards, assuming the undead with similar build set ups are the remains, they divide into groups leading under stronger undead much like Joko’s undead after his imprisonment. The only known undead controlled by Khilbron to have a soul was Rurik. Risen, on the other hand, have varying degrees of intelligence (depending on how they were corrupted, so I’ve been told) and are mostly twisted from their former selves – especially the more powerful and intelligent ones. The intelligence of risen is determined by how much corrupted magic Zhaitan puts into them, therefore under this understanding Rurik should be the most braindead undead of Khilbron’s army – yet he appears to be the most intelligent. Complete opposites. There’s also the whole existence of Rurik that puts a kink into the theory unless you further to say that Khilbron was capable of spreading the corruption like Zhaitan’s most powerful lieutenants and champions.

As far as i recall sceptr of orr granted power over things not of this world, and staff of the mists allowed wielder to bend the fabric of reality.
Gameplay wise energy and hp control.

Undead, have souls, not of this world, thus fall under the influence of scepter.
Similiarly titans are created from tortured souls, again not of this world and fall under the influence.

Just a theory ofcourse.

As for a link to zhaitan, i just don´t see any.

Quoting because this is my view on the matter.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Delsabre.5934

Delsabre.5934

…Livia returning as a Succubus / Banshee in an expansion? O_o

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

Nothing links the Scepter of Orr with turning people into undead, let alone sex demons (what succubi are) or wailing female ghosts (banshees).

It, supposedly, can control spirits, and possibly in turn control undead/titans, but doesn’t turn folks into undead.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: TheMouse.9746

TheMouse.9746

…Livia returning as a Succubus / Banshee in an expansion? O_o

This. In fact I’ve been curious as of what happened to Livia since the last we’ve seen she was the only one in posession of the Scepter of Orr. I’d say I was disappointed not seeing her among Zhaitan’s army as an undead queen or something.

“Marauding? Marauder? I don’t know the word, but I’m ready to maraud!”

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Posted by: timRAR.2765

timRAR.2765

Long live Livia!

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Posted by: Vesuvius.9874

Vesuvius.9874

Long live Livia!

That almost sounds like a curse at this point. Maybe let her live in peace now lol…