Guild Wars 2

The note on the wiki page from Livia wrote that Livia’s fate is explained in the book: Sea of Sorrows. I’m not planning on reading the book, that’s why I’m asking this question.

If a noble soul could tell me what happened to her and tell me wether she is still alive or not, that would be great!

On top of what Maethor said,

Alright thank you for the information!

Konig Des Todes.2086:

On top of what Maethor said,

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She acts as the leader of the Shining Blade during the book. Given Anise’s title, it’s possible something happened to her in the past 70 years.

my theory:
maybe after the events of SoS, Edair banished her for letting coby and the gang free (even though they saved their asses), kinda like Stannis with the onion knight: "thanks for the save, but you are a smuggler and i'll chop ya fingers kitten". and since King Baede was already pretty much facing death, he couldn't unbanish livia. so, instead of killing livia, he just banishes her from the shining blade or kryta

Or she died. But we never pick the easy answer do we?

she lived till now, why would she suddenly die? =(

I don’t know, generally that’s what people do after a while. Especially very old people are susceptible to that.

To quote a guy with impeccable taste in dressing gowns:

“That’s a very good question…”

Or mayble Anise is Livia , mayble Livia learned a second prof , like in gw1…

Frog.8217:

my theory:
maybe after the events of SoS, Edair banished her for letting coby and the gang free (even though they saved their asses), kinda like Stannis with the onion knight: "thanks for the save, but you are a smuggler and i'll chop ya fingers kitten". and since King Baede was already pretty much facing death, he couldn't unbanish livia. so, instead of killing livia, he just banishes her from the shining blade or kryta

Zaxares.5419:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

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She acts as the leader of the Shining Blade during the book. Given Anise’s title, it’s possible something happened to her in the past 70 years.

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Or perhaps Anise is simply a front. She’s capable and skilled, to be sure, but maybe Livia is still pulling the strings from behind the scenes, and just put Anise up there to deflect suspicion, and well-founded concern, about having a human live for so long.

This seems the most likely. If you guys can think back to that story several months ago, Marjory’s Story Part 2. There was a necromancer that shot at the ghost boy, and made him disintegrate after stating something that many people have speculated is Spectral Agony. This is something that Livia has strong knowledge in and might be focusing on, while Anise focuses on running the Shining Blade, Livia is hunting down Mursaat and the White Mantle. That necromancer that shot the ghost in Marjory's Story? Livia.

The Necromancer who sent the boy’s spirit to the Mists was given a name: Kraig the Bleak; a man at that.

So I doubt that guy is Livia.

And the name implies it was a norn (at least Kraig sounds like a norn name).

Then again, Mister E could have been covering for the necromancer and lied about the name…

Evans.6347:

Or she died. But we never pick the easy answer do we?

Maybe Anise is a disguise… The whole 2 professions thing isn’t around anymore, but what if sometime between then and now she learned mesmer skills? Or maybe Queen Jennahs doing the disguise for her.

To add on to what “Beetle.2476” stated;

Anise has the ability to transform people (One of the stories, she transforms your PC into a bandit) so I wouldn’t completely rule out Anise is actually Livia, but staying out of the “spotlight” for a reason yet unknown.

I would also say the writer of SoS (Ree) is a master of GW Lore. I doubt she would stick Livia into the story without some explanation or reasoning behind it.

I would keep a keen eye and ear out, cause I wouldn’t be suprised if she makes an appearance in GW2.

Maybe Livia, Evennia and Anise are a group of 300 years old mages that are acting as secret guardians to Kryta and humanity. Read my fan fiction.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/The-tone-should-be-darker/page/2#post2814478

Antara.3189:

To add on to what “Beetle.2476” stated;

Anise has the ability to transform people (One of the stories, she transforms your PC into a bandit) so I wouldn’t completely rule out Anise is actually Livia, but staying out of the “spotlight” for a reason yet unknown.

I would also say the writer of SoS (Ree) is a master of GW Lore. I doubt she would stick Livia into the story without some explanation or reasoning behind it.

I would keep a keen eye and ear out, cause I wouldn’t be suprised if she makes an appearance in GW2.

wait a minute. a story path in gw2??? source please! le exited face

also to add to the discussion ive screen capped the EOTN cut scene. look familiar? ^^

Ah, GW1. Good times.

yungwizud.1827:

Antara.3189:

To add on to what “Beetle.2476” stated;

Anise has the ability to transform people (One of the stories, she transforms your PC into a bandit) so I wouldn’t completely rule out Anise is actually Livia, but staying out of the “spotlight” for a reason yet unknown.

I would also say the writer of SoS (Ree) is a master of GW Lore. I doubt she would stick Livia into the story without some explanation or reasoning behind it.

I would keep a keen eye and ear out, cause I wouldn’t be suprised if she makes an appearance in GW2.

wait a minute. a story path in gw2??? source please! le exited face

also to add to the discussion ive screen capped the EOTN cut scene. look familiar? ^^

From the end of The Apothecary.

i have a very strong hunch that the ‘magic wand’ she found at the end of eotn has something to do with her long life, or maybe she received instructions/made a deal with grenthy before the gods cut off communication, she could be his last ‘champion’

Getefix.9150:

i have a very strong hunch that the ‘magic wand’ she found at the end of eotn has something to do with her long life, or maybe she received instructions/made a deal with grenthy before the gods cut off communication, she could be his last ‘champion’

its the scepter of orr that was lost when the gates of komali were deactivated.

What if the mysterious E, is Edair? He was quite young in SoS…the youngest of the king’s children, if I remember correctly. It would make him an old man now…but maybe.

GussJr.1643:

What if the mysterious E, is Edair? He was quite young in SoS…the youngest of the king’s children, if I remember correctly. It would make him an old man now…but maybe.

http://youtu.be/Iu90z9Akxgk?t=2m10s

blew my mind.

Also, I may be missing something in the timeline, but there seems to be a gap in information between when Prince Edair was in line for the throne of Kryta after Baede when they were attacked before his corronation…and Queen Jenna now being Queen of Kryta.

What if E is Edair and Livia is still with him…maybe the pair know something that us as players do not know about Queen Jennah yet and that is why he’s suddenly trying to get our attention…perhaps they were forced into hiding until the right moment presented itself.

I know its a ban for me for this, but I wanted to say good job to those who put together these pieces of the story 3 years ago. Good job Anet for tying up some loose ends.

Yeah it’s nice to see this mystery answered. Livia made a good comeback. One of my Guild Wars 2 characters is supposed to be one of my Guild Wars 1 characters from way back then, so it’s great to see a canon character who’s also pretty old :P

Why would Lazarus ask if Livia has children? Same reason he said this in GW1:

Lazarus the Dire: “Accursed human! You have done this to me! I will not forget this!”
Lazarus the Dire: “Countless generations will suffer for your actions this day!”

Lazarus is just the kind of guy who would not end his revenge at a single death. They just carried this trend.

That’s unlikely, Dondarrion, as Livia says she had no children when Lazarus asked. Admittedly, she could have lied to her nemesis, but if she truly intended to kill him, what motive would she have to lie?

Also, hurray for thread necromancy! Appropriate for a thread about Livia, I suppose.

Rognik.2579:

That’s unlikely, Dondarrion, as Livia says she had no children when Lazarus asked. Admittedly, she could have lied to her nemesis, but if she truly intended to kill him, what motive would she have to lie?

Also, hurray for thread necromancy! Appropriate for a thread about Livia, I suppose.

Yea, I saw I was bumping but luckily the guy before me bumped it even more

Felt like appropriate thread to keep asking about Livia and Anise.

To your question; intent on killing doesn’t mean you automatically will succeed, perhaps if Livia considered not surviving the confrontation, she would at least protect any possible children she might have. If you’re facing your nemesis/adversary and they ask you if you have children, would you blurt out their names and address so they could go to finish them off too in case you didn’t make it?

Just seemed like a question out of place for Lazarus to ask, if like Konig suggests, his intention was that his revenge should have consequences to more than one individual.