Guild Wars 2

To be honest I’m kind of lost with the current status of each character, but specially with Kasmeer.

What has happened to her?

Eehm.. good question.. they never really continued on her former noble status, after ls2, did they. I noticed her wiki page hasnt been updated since she had a hiccupfit at scarlet’s

She is dead, and Marjory wants the help of Lazarus to save her.

vier.1327:

She is dead, and Marjory wants the help of Lazarus to save her.

That troll is in poor taste. OP, kasmeer is fine, she just hasnt returned to view yet.

Amaimon.7823:

vier.1327:

She is dead, and Marjory wants the help of Lazarus to save her.

That troll is in poor taste. OP, kasmeer is fine, she just hasnt returned to view yet.

Please, tell me, why is that idea imposible?

Kasmeer has been forgotten in Hot, she has 3 phrases in all story… that is wierd, isn’t?

vier.1327:

Amaimon.7823:

vier.1327:

She is dead, and Marjory wants the help of Lazarus to save her.

That troll is in poor taste. OP, kasmeer is fine, she just hasnt returned to view yet.

Please, tell me, why is that idea imposible?

Kasmeer has been forgotten in Hot, she has 3 phrases in all story… that is wierd, isn’t?

If she were dead we wouldnt have seen a calm and collected marjory in ch2. Everyone pretty much agreed she wants Belinda Jane back, kasmeer is propably back home in DR

Last we touched on Kasmeer’s own story (rather than Kasmeer acting as an adjunct to someone else), Anise was talking up Kasmeer’s chances of being reinstated as a noble if she proved useful… and then she was responsible for teleporting two members of Destiny’s Edge to safety. Both Logan and Zojja are officially ‘recovering’ which implies they got back to a recovery point, which suggests she also got back fine… and the PC mentioned that she’d likely be explaining Marjory’s shadowing Lazarus to Kasmeer, suggesting that the PC at least believes she’s fine.

My guess? The Shining Blade is using Kasmeer to identify who Caudecus’s supporters are, and which knew the full depth of Caudecus’ plans as opposed to just agreeing with Caudecus’ public policies.

draxynnic.3719:

Last we touched on Kasmeer’s own story (rather than Kasmeer acting as an adjunct to someone else), Anise was talking up Kasmeer’s chances of being reinstated as a noble if she proved useful… and then she was responsible for teleporting two members of Destiny’s Edge to safety. Both Logan and Zojja are officially ‘recovering’ which implies they got back to a recovery point, which suggests she also got back fine… and the PC mentioned that she’d likely be explaining Marjory’s shadowing Lazarus to Kasmeer, suggesting that the PC at least believes she’s fine.

My guess? The Shining Blade is using Kasmeer to identify who Caudecus’s supporters are, and which knew the full depth of Caudecus’ plans as opposed to just agreeing with Caudecus’ public policies.

It would be cool if kasmeer has infiltrated the white mantle. But honestly, i think anet just forgot to mention her. Its not really anets thing to make something happen with sufficient foreshadowing

draxynnic.3719:

Both Logan and Zojja are officially ‘recovering’ which implies they got back to a recovery point…

Actually Rytlock’s own words regarding that are that they’re “Still both laid up on my last visit” which could mean anything. I find it to be pretty vague wording.

However, that’s outside the scope of what this thread is about. I imagine I’ll be making a thread about that if Ep3 goes like I think it’s going to go. <_<

But yeah, Kasmeer is doing hunky dory as far as we know.

The mesmer that open the portal to Caeducus in the cinematic of the 1 chapter could be Kasmeer.

Kasmer infiltrate in the white mantle but with the dark hair.

Could it be a way to guide the story to the White mantle that Caeducus controls.

TheOrlyFactor.8341:

draxynnic.3719:

Both Logan and Zojja are officially ‘recovering’ which implies they got back to a recovery point…

Actually Rytlock’s own words regarding that are that they’re “Still both laid up on my last visit” which could mean anything. I find it to be pretty vague wording.

However, that’s outside the scope of what this thread is about. I imagine I’ll be making a thread about that if Ep3 goes like I think it’s going to go. <_<

But yeah, Kasmeer is doing hunky dory as far as we know.

I suspect even Zipper-Lips would have said something different if they were dead, or if they’d recovered but were just busy.

vier.1327:

The mesmer that open the portal to Caeducus in the cinematic of the 1 chapter could be Kasmeer.

Kasmer infiltrate in the white mantle but with the dark hair.

Could it be a way to guide the story to the White mantle that Caeducus controls.

Wasnt that already confirmed to be that daughter of the woman in the human political person story.. lady Wu iirc

Edit, lady Wi’s daughter.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lady_Valette_Wi

Unless the big twist is that Lady Valette is tied up in an Order of Whispers safehouse somewhere and Kasmeer is impersonating her… :P

But yeah, it’s probably more likely that is actually Lady Valette. What her motivations are is another question.

draxynnic.3719:

Unless the big twist is that Lady Valette is tied up in an Order of Whispers safehouse somewhere and Kasmeer is impersonating her… :P

But yeah, it’s probably more likely that is actually Lady Valette. What her motivations are is another question.

Not impssible, but the attached picture will define its status:

It’s probably just the case that the story right now has gone all in on establishing the new main plots (Aurene, Lazarus, Primordus rising, Jormag rising) that they haven’t had room in the story to give the NPCs their own little spotlight drawing attention away from the main plot.

Just like Braham and Rox will almost certainly be in the next release (A Crack in the Ice) because they are relevant to it (Braham first reported Jormag’s activity and he will be a contact in exploring that plot further, Rox will probably help us track him down as his friend) Kasmeer will almost certainly be in any plot involving the Queen in the future. Given that Caudecus has now gone rogue with his followers, I expect this will happen sooner rather than later.

Once the groundwork has been laid on the new plots (HoT resolved the former main plot so right now a lot of work needs to be done to set up the new ones) we will probably see everyone together again.

I’d expect to see Kasmeer working for Anise in some capacity given their interactions in LW Season 2. With the White Mantle coming out of the shadows, and the fact that Caudecus escaped from DR somehow (maybe with the help of a certain mesmer called Valette) while being watched by the Shining Blade, it would be in Anise’s best interests to root out potential spies and WM sympathizers, in which Kasmeer’s special lie-detecting skills should come in handy.

Kas has an excuse to hang around Anise and Jennah without it causing alarm among White Mantle agents: to many it would appear that a fallen noble has wormed her way into the Queen’s good graces and is doing what she can to get reinstated as a noble and attend the fancy noble parties again. However, unlike an airhead socialite and/or social climber she might be viewed as by some people in DR, Kas would be spying for the Shining Blade in ways that wouldn’t attract attention unlike a known Shining Blade officer might, especially if WM has infiltrated the Shining Blade somehow given Caudecus’s easy escape while under house arrest.

Although Caudecus himself wouldn’t show his face in Divinity’s Reach—at least in public—he can still send his agents to do his dirty work for him to ensure that messages are delivered to key WM agents/sympathizers for the eventual coup. Lady Valette Wi could be one such lieutenant who, depending on if she’s really the daughter of Minister and Lady Wi and if her parents are unaware of her alignment, would have the perfect excuse as a daughter of a noble family to mingle with other WM agents/sympathizers among the nobles and deliver Caudecus’s orders to them while still acting out the role of the famed violinist daughter. This of course depends on whether any of the heroes (especially the human noble PC who has interacted with the Wis and should have some knowledge of their daughter) recognized her before she fled with Caudecus from Bloodstone Fen. Given Canach not going “Gasp! I just saw the daughter of the Wis with Caudecus!”, it’s possible that he didn’t recognize her either or didn’t get a good enough look while focusing on bringing down Caudecus.

If Valette is the daughter or some other relative of the Wis as her name and title implies and hasn’t been outed as a member of WM by our observant heroes or her parents yet, I could easily see the following scene happening:

Kas is attending the Wis’ party in Divinity’s Reach on behalf of gathering intel for Anise, and the PC and maybe even Canach would show up there too for plot reasons (Canach’s appearance could even give us some glimpses of certain nobles’ racism towards sylvari as they show their dislike of him, especially if some of the naysayers were also secretly WM sympathizers with a pro-human stance). As we catch up with Kas to deliver the news about Marjory’s latest stunt, learn a bit about what has kept Kas busy lately and discuss the threat the WM poses, we see Minister and Lady Wi introduce their famed violinist daughter, Lady Valette (if she’s truly related to them), to the audience.

The PC and Valette’s eyes meet: if the PC took note of her back in Bloodstone Fen and recognized her now, it would be a scene full of spy thriller tension in a “I know you know I was in Bloodstone Fen that day” way. Valette, if she’s a skilled enough agent, would keep her cool and carry on like nothing, and the PC should do the same while subtly letting Kas know that Valette is more than meets the eye. For added irony we could even have a scene of the Wis, being the graceful hosts that they are, introduce their sweet little daughter to the legendary Pact Commander. The PC and Valette would exchange pleasantries while keeping up the act to not cause a scene that would benefit neither of them despite knowing full well that sooner or later they’ll have to come to blows.

For added drama, Kas might also be familiar with Valette…maybe not just from noble circles but from Valette likely also being a member of the semi-secretive Mesmer Collective. Perhaps the two of them could’ve been rivals back in those days; not that Valette necessarily needs any more drama like that as she would already be Demmi Beetlestone’s second cousin (as Lady Wi and Lady Beetlestone, their respective moms, were first cousins), and Demmi should hopefully make an appearance now that her dad has become prominent in the story again.

Whether something like this ends up happening or not, I look forward to us returning to DR shenanigans at some point. The “Party Politics” mission from LW Season 2 had some juicy information on the nobles, and a future Season 3 story instance involving Kas and the Wis could lead to some interesting developments if Valette is to play a role in the story going forward.

One thing to note is that legally speaking, Caudecus was never actually arrested – he was offered sanctuary. It was a sanctuary he couldn’t really refuse without admitting that he was complicit in the goings-on at his manor, but the arrangement is probably such that the Shining Blade had no legal basis to prevent him from leaving. Party Politics indicates that Caudecus does still have some freedom to act, for instance: he’s just easier for the Shining Blade to keep an eye on.

So it’s possible that he just walked out of the Palace on an errand into the city – maybe with an overt Shining Blade escort, maybe with just a tail – and the White Mantle grabbed him off the street. His “escape” doesn’t necessarily indicate a weakness in the Palace’s security, just that they couldn’t restrict his movements too much while still maintaining the fiction that he was there voluntarily.

Amaimon.7823:

draxynnic.3719:

Unless the big twist is that Lady Valette is tied up in an Order of Whispers safehouse somewhere and Kasmeer is impersonating her… :P

But yeah, it’s probably more likely that is actually Lady Valette. What her motivations are is another question.

Not impossible, but the attached picture will define its status:

Haha. Pretty much, but as you say, not impossible. We know that Kasmeer can maintain a mesmer disguise for an extended period of time (the dress that wasn’t actually there in the Tower of Nightmares), so she might be able to pull it off.

The big question (which also applies to theories of Valette not actually being loyal to Caudecus) would be… if “Valette Wi” isn’t actually loyal to Caudecus, why portal him out when she could have left him there and ended his bid for the throne there and then? Unless she knows something we don’t that means killing Caudecus then would have been a bad idea…

Still, it would be an interesting irony if, when Canach said “no offense to Kas”, it turns out that it was actually Kas that he was cursing at all along.

Yeah, technically Jennah used a prettier term for it while politically checkmating Caudecus for a while. However, Canach pretty much bluntly refers to Caudecus’s situation as him being “on house arrest for minor treachery” in Research in Rata Novus.

Statements from Canach and a Shining Blade officer in the Queen’s Throne Room (whose dialogue was changed for S3) indicate that Caudecus was confined to the palace since Caudecus’s Manor:

Canach: Slipped his cushy detention recently.
Shining Blade: He’s been staying in the palace under protective custody. […] He and the guard assigned to him vanished overnight.

The Shining Blade’s statement could be taken two ways since the body of the guard was never found. Either the White Mantle came to Caudecus’s rescue and disposed of the guard’s body to leave no trace before fleeing with Caudecus, or the guard was actually a Caudecus loyalist/White Mantle spy all along who deliberately helped him escape once the time was right for Caudecus to make his move. It would be fun if said guard was the armored White Mantle soldier we see fleeing with Caudecus and Valette in the “Confessor’s Stronghold” cinematic, assuming the guard had time to change armor between leaving the palace and showing up in Bloodstone Fen since Caudecus had time to put on his Confessor robes. :P

What’s curious is that Caudecus has been confined to the palace for years based on how much time has passed between Caudecus’s Manor and Out of the Shadows. Jennah must’ve spun quite a story to keep him in there indefinitely “for his own protection”. Canach referring to Caudecus having committed minor treachery is likewise interesting as there was no definite proof of Caudecus’s involvement at the manor (despite Logan’s claims) even when taking the explorable paths’ stories into question. I wonder if Anise did find enough condemning evidence of sorts later to keep Caudecus in the palace until further notice despite his potential (and legally sound) appeals to be allowed to leave after the bandit threat at the manor had already been dealt with years ago.

Although it would be fun if Valette was a double agent or Kas in disguise, I expect Valette to be a true Mantle member. Maybe recruiting Valette was Caudecus’s way of getting back at Lady Wi who helped Demmi flee from him. It’d be “Since you’ve taken my daughter from me, I’ve taken your daughter as compensation” depending on how long Valette has been in the Mantle. She already seems to have a high rank or at least is trusted by Caudecus as he was specifically relying on her abilities when fleeing and she was standing by his side at the coliseum.

If Valette was a double agent for Lady Wi, however, I could see a reason for Valette sparing Caudecus in Bloodstone Fen for now. Caudecus took over as Confessor after Confessor Esthel’s death in the human Personal Story, so letting Caudecus die then and there might be a temporary blow to the Mantle, but eventually a new Confessor would rise to take his place and continue the Mantle’s schemes if they hadn’t joined Lazarus by then. As the Mantle has spies in scholarly organizations and in all levels of Krytan society, Valette’s plan might be to gather intel on how far-reaching the conspiracy is, gain a high enough rank within the organization to learn the identities of the spies so they can all be taken down at once in simultaneous raids, and to discover the full extent of the Mantle’s plans and how they intend to carry them out.

Anything less, and the Mantle would have survivors who would go into hiding to regroup and build their organization anew only to resurface hundreds of years later to continue where they left off, and I imagine both the Shining Blade and the Order of Whispers would prefer putting an end to the Mantle once and for all this time around so the Crown and Tyria have one less threat to worry about.

As for Kas and whatever role she might play, I wonder if her brother Kyle might make an appearance at some point in some capacity to resolve the Meades’ little family drama. There’s a lot of story Kyle could be used for, especially if his gambling leads him to the White Mantle’s clutches with the Mantle using him as leverage against Kas once/if the Mantle figure out the potential threat Kas could pose to them as Anise’s agent should the story go in that direction.

Either way, I’d love to see a proper mesmer vs. mesmer battle (maybe between Valette and Kas) in the story given all the hints and outright statements how White Mantle are “creepy magickers” and there’s more magic available now.