What's gonna happen to Jormag's minions?
Not necessarily. Primordus being asleep didn’t make the Great Destroyer incapable. And as long as Jormag has been awake, we can assume that he has quite a few champions about that could be keeping his minions active. I mean, Zhaitan is dead, and yet with the new story we see that the Risen are still doing their thing 5 years later.
Zhaitan was awake for only 100 years, and even 10 years after a major war against risen forces and the death of Zhaitan, Orr is still mired with risen.
Jormag was awake for 150 years years, had minions being created by Drakkar for 100 years before that, and there’s been no major war effort against icebrood.
Every Elder Dragon uses telepathic links to control its minions, but champions are used both when awake and asleep to act as routers of sorts. So long as champions remain alive and active, icebrood will remain organized just as risen still are (though they almost aren’t it seems).
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Granted, none of that means that the norn can’t give resettlement a try. Every account of when they were driven south makes Jormag out to be the problem, not his icebrood, and Braham’s new guild likely wouldn’t have been able to reach the dragon without cutting through his minions.
They’d still have a fight on their hands, sure, but that’s the way the norn like it.
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Zhaitan was awake for only 100 years, and even 10 years after a major war against risen forces and the death of Zhaitan, Orr is still mired with risen.
Wouldn’t it have been five years rather than ten?
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Not necessarily. Primordus being asleep didn’t make the Great Destroyer incapable. And as long as Jormag has been awake, we can assume that he has quite a few champions about that could be keeping his minions active. I mean, Zhaitan is dead, and yet with the new story we see that the Risen are still doing their thing 5 years later.
Neither Primodrus nor Zhaitan use the same telepathic link to control their minions.
Even its champion, Drakkar, require Jormag’s own power and mind to contact other norn.
Zhaitan was awake for only 100 years, and even 10 years after a major war against risen forces and the death of Zhaitan, Orr is still mired with risen.
Jormag was awake for 150 years years, had minions being created by Drakkar for 100 years before that, and there’s been no major war effort against icebrood.
Every Elder Dragon uses telepathic links to control its minions, but champions are used both when awake and asleep to act as routers of sorts. So long as champions remain alive and active, icebrood will remain organized just as risen still are (though they almost aren’t it seems).
No, other dragons use different ways to control their minions. We don’t see EoD or any team use the same tactic on other dragon champions like they did to the Dragonspawn.
Drakkar was just a tool, it was Jormag using it to contact others. Without Jormag, it’s not gonna happen.
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Here, Drakkar was just a tool for Jormag to extend its mind. Unlike other dragons, they are linked to Jormag. We can see with the arrow cut off the Dragonspawn’s connection with its Icebrood, they followed Jormag’s command and attacked the Dragonspawn rather than collapse on their own.
Granted, none of that means that the norn can’t give resettlement a try. Every account of when they were driven south makes Jormag out to be the problem, not his icebrood, and Braham’s new guild likely wouldn’t have been able to reach the dragon without cutting through his minions.
They’d still have a fight on their hands, sure, but that’s the way the norn like it.
While true, this was also shortly after Jormag woke up. He didn’t have as vast an army of minions then as he does now.
Zhaitan was awake for only 100 years, and even 10 years after a major war against risen forces and the death of Zhaitan, Orr is still mired with risen.
Wouldn’t it have been five years rather than ten?
Yes, right you’re, was thinking from Edge of Destiny’s time for some reason, probably the discussions about Kralkatorrik moving to now elsewhere.
Neither Primodrus nor Zhaitan use the same telepathic link to control their minions.
This is false. We see the destroyers go into disarray due to the loss of telepathic link to them from the Great Destroyer in the end of Eye o the North, and in the personal story the Pale Tree outright tell us that Zhaitan and risen have a telepathic link albeit not in that phrasing.
We also see Kralkatorrik telepathically commanding his minions during Edge of Destiny, and of course we know Mordremoth does the same.
Mordremoth was best at the telepathic commands, being able to micromanage it for each individual minion unlike the other Elder Dragons who could only give large commands to many of their forces (thus requiring champions for “interpretation”), but all six Elder Dragons seem fully capable of using telepathic commands in their minion-master hive mind.
No, other dragons use different ways to control their minions. We don’t see EoD or any team use the same tactic on other dragon champions like they did to the Dragonspawn.
Drakkar was just a tool, it was Jormag using it to contact others. Without Jormag, it’s not gonna happen.
Largely because they were not so overwhelmed in those other fights, perhaps also because the Dragonspawn was the one using mesmer magic and not all icebrood, and perhaps also because of running out of that mcguffin gray power crystal powder.
The Dragonspawn was definitely unique in its telepathic abilities, even among icebrood, as we clearly see it never being done by other icebrood champions.
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This is false. We see the destroyers go into disarray due to the loss of telepathic link to them from the Great Destroyer in the end of Eye o the North, and in the personal story the Pale Tree outright tell us that Zhaitan and risen have a telepathic link albeit not in that phrasing.
It’s not the same type of link.
The Great Destroyer operate on its own instead of being its master’s toon. Zhaitan was similar.
Mordremoth was best at the telepathic commands, being able to micromanage it for each individual minion unlike the other Elder Dragons who could only give large commands to many of their forces (thus requiring champions for “interpretation”), but all six Elder Dragons seem fully capable of using telepathic commands in their minion-master hive mind.
Mordemoth was a good example, the Mordrem was linked to itself, not its champions, we don’t see the Sylvari turn to it when Shadow of the Dragon attacked or they stay close to the other champions like the Vinewrath.
We also see Kralkatorrik telepathically commanding his minions during Edge of Destiny, and of course we know Mordremoth does the same.
Unlike Jormag, Kralkatorrik couldn’t detect Glint’s betrayal right after her broke the link.
Elder Dragons works differently, Mordremoth was a good example that it doesn’t use the champions to keep the link.
]Largely because they were not so overwhelmed in those other fights, perhaps also because the Dragonspawn was the one using mesmer magic and not all icebrood, and perhaps also because of running out of that mcguffin gray power crystal powder.
The Dragonspawn was definitely unique in its telepathic abilities, even among icebrood, as we clearly see it never being done by other icebrood champions.
Drakkar was also the same, it doesn’t have its own power to connect with others’ mind. It requires Jormag’s attention.
Granted, none of that means that the norn can’t give resettlement a try. Every account of when they were driven south makes Jormag out to be the problem, not his icebrood, and Braham’s new guild likely wouldn’t have been able to reach the dragon without cutting through his minions.
They’d still have a fight on their hands, sure, but that’s the way the norn like it.
While true, this was also shortly after Jormag woke up. He didn’t have as vast an army of minions then as he does now.
That’s true, but part of my point is that said vast army didn’t stop Destiny’s Edge 2.0 from ‘surrounding’ Jormag. To be sure, we don’t know how many minions had to be killed to do that, but unless Jormag completely left his force behind it does show that the norn can cut through the icebrood if need be.
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@Slowpoke: In order of comments:
- Different from the Dragonspawn, but not different from other icebrood champions or Jormag by all known accounts.
- And Mordremoth was greater than Jormag, not equal. Jormag’s directions are primarily to its champions when they are present, just as Primordus, Zhaitan, and Kralkatorrik do.
- You have no support to say that about Kralkatorrik. The Elder Dragons actually do wake up similarly – the major difference is whether or not they had a herald champion to facilitate their awakening (Jormag and Mordremoth did, Zhaitan and the DSD likely did, Primordus did until we killed it pushing him back 50 years, and Kralkatorrik didn’t pushing him back 50 years) And again, Mordremoth is a one of a kind example due to his domain of mind, which Jormag does not have.
- Drakkar wasn’t the same as the Dragonspawn. It was only able to telepathically link to Svanir because Svanir created the link and channeled Jormag’s power into him. The Dragonspawn did not require others to create a link, it was able to create one itself.
@Aaron: Braham also had a magical insta-kill-any-icebrood scroll, which Aesgir supposedly used. Aesgir is also known for having killed Jormag’s mightiest champion, Frostfang, in a single punch. So it’s likely that Braham’s bow (and any other proverbial weapon that may be enchanted by that scroll, if any) could effectively one-shot even the strongest dragon champions.
That would give a major advantage to Braham and make getting a small group up towards Jormag much easier than a spread out army of norn who don’t like major cooperations.
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@Aaron: Braham also had a magical insta-kill-any-icebrood scroll, which Aesgir supposedly used. Aesgir is also known for having killed Jormag’s mightiest champion, Frostfang, in a single punch. So it’s likely that Braham’s bow (and any other proverbial weapon that may be enchanted by that scroll, if any) could effectively one-shot even the strongest dragon champions.
That would give a major advantage to Braham and make getting a small group up towards Jormag much easier than a spread out army of norn who don’t like major cooperations.
IIRC, Braham’s bow didn’t even one-hit the ice beast guarding it, just dropped its invulnerability buff so that we could kill it.
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@Slowpoke: In order of comments:
- Different from the Dragonspawn, but not different from other icebrood champions or Jormag by all known accounts.
What other Icebrood Champions? The minions are all linked to Jormag. Jormag uses its champions to control others, they couldn’t do it without Jormag.
- And Mordremoth was greater than Jormag, not equal. Jormag’s directions are primarily to its champions when they are present, just as Primordus, Zhaitan, and Kralkatorrik do.
How? Jormag could reach others’ mind and corrupt them. Mordremoth could only access its creation.
- You have no support to say that about Kralkatorrik. The Elder Dragons actually do wake up similarly – the major difference is whether or not they had a herald champion to facilitate their awakening (Jormag and Mordremoth did, Zhaitan and the DSD likely did, Primordus did until we killed it pushing him back 50 years, and Kralkatorrik didn’t pushing him back 50 years) And again, Mordremoth is a one of a kind example due to his domain of mind, which Jormag does not have.
if Kralkatorrik could detect Glint breaking away with it, it would have killed her right way.
Mordremoth couldn’t corrupt humans and other beings, it could only access the mind of its own creation to actually “restore” its connection with them.
- Drakkar wasn’t the same as the Dragonspawn. It was only able to telepathically link to Svanir because Svanir created the link and channeled Jormag’s power into him. The Dragonspawn did not require others to create a link, it was able to create one itself.
No, Drakkar was used by Jormag to establish the connection. Only Jormag wasn’t that strong at the time.
If Jormag’s champions couldn’t control icebrood without Jormag, then how did Drakkar corrupt dozens of Sons of Svanir to siphon their powers to help Jormag rise?
Jormag cannot “reach others’ minds and corrupt them”. There is nothing to support your claim. The Dragonspawn could reach into others’ minds (but technically speaking, nothing says it corrupted through this manner), just as Glint could reach into others’ minds (though nothing says she corrupted through this manner) and she’s said to be unique among dragons.
Why do you think Kralkatorrik immediately went to Glint upon waking up if it didn’t detect her betrayal? It had a hive mind with its minions, so it would know Glint’s betrayal. From what lore we have, its heavily implied Glint betrayed Kralkatorrik while he slept, being Kralk’s intended herald champion.
I think you should go back to play Eye of the North, or read Edge of Destiny: Svanir tapped into the still hibernating Drakkar. Not the other way around.
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Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
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Simple answer, based on the destroyers prior to Primordus awakening, and the risen come Zhaitan’s death, it’s safe to assume the icebrood will continue their last mission on autopilot, while the shamans with human intelligence will continue to act as they see fit in favour of Jormag