Guild Wars 2

As you already described, they killed off all the mentors for the emotional impact it would have on the players and to try and show us the Elder Dragons are actually a threat.

Because melodrama.

I hated it, too. I actually cried. I couldn’t believe myself.
It wasn’t even that they died, but how they died.
I wasn’t aware they all died, because I haven’t yet done all orders yet. Good to know. I can prepare myself for it next time. ; P

Equality.

Narrative direction at ANet dictated the PS must appear roughly equivalent across the orders in terms of the mentor plot.

I think it’s in the bylaws somewhere.

I always ask, “Seriously Tybalt? Do you really think just you alone going in there is going to actually make a difference? Don’t be a fool!”

But my character is silent.

Koviko.3248:

I always ask, “Seriously Tybalt? Do you really think just you alone going in there is going to actually make a difference? Don’t be a fool!”

But my character is silent.

Interesting, my character did say something to this effect for the Vigil version. Hearing this happens way in advance I wasn’t surprised though.

It’s all for naught anyway, the risen are already on the other side of the silly gate. We could have just shut the kitten thing, and then our mentors could have made a run with it along with the rest of us. But, no-o-o-o-o-o-o.

They died so that Trahearne can have a red carpet entrance.

The first time I did The Battle of Claw Island, I was like “Nooooooo !” and “Why, Forgal ? Why ???” and also "You’re tearing me appart Forgal !!!’

And than, I joined the Durmand Priory…

Well, I must be the only person to have cheered when Sieran died. A very emotional moment, indeed. I joined the Order of Whispers and the Vigils with 6 characters just so I could avoid missions with Sieran. If Forgal and Tybalt had to share her fate, so be it.

Vilenia.3081:

The first time I did The Battle of Claw Island, I was like “Nooooooo !” and “Why, Forgal ? Why ???” and also "You’re tearing me appart Forgal !!!’

And than, I joined the Durmand Priory…

Well, I must be the only person to have cheered when Sieran died. A very emotional moment, indeed. I joined the Order of Whispers and the Vigils with 6 characters just so I could avoid missions with Sieran. If Forgal and Tybalt had to share her fate, so be it.

Why cheer when she died? I’m curious.

Well, I must be the only person to have cheered when Sieran died. A very emotional moment, indeed. I joined the Order of Whispers and the Vigils with 6 characters just so I could avoid missions with Sieran. If Forgal and Tybalt had to share her fate, so be it.

Why cheer when she died? I’m curious.

To put it simply, I found her attitude and personality to be irritating. Maybe we could just say she was over-the-top enthusiastic. When I found out how annoying Sieran was, I already had two characters who signed up in the Priory. So I had to complete missions with her not once but twice. I realy disliked doing Personnal Story missions at the time. Finishing those was a liberation.
… and than I got attacked several times in Whisperhill Bogs, so the poor girl kept annoying me after her tragic demise x)

Vilenia.3081:

Well, I must be the only person to have cheered when Sieran died. A very emotional moment, indeed. I joined the Order of Whispers and the Vigils with 6 characters just so I could avoid missions with Sieran. If Forgal and Tybalt had to share her fate, so be it.

Why cheer when she died? I’m curious.

To put it simply, I found her attitude and personality to be irritating. Maybe we could just say she was over-the-top enthusiastic. When I found out how annoying Sieran was, I already had two characters who signed up in the Priory. So I had to complete missions with her not once but twice. I realy disliked doing Personnal Story missions at the time. Finishing those was a liberation.
… and than I got attacked several times in Whisperhill Bogs, so the poor girl kept annoying me after her tragic demise x)

Fair enough. Though many Sylvari are like that.

Unsure if you know, but there are random events for the other mentors as well. Though last theory I heard was those risen commanders could be Forgal and Tybalt.

You shut the gates against a horde of risen and one person steps inside to hold the gate so the others can escape?

It’s kinda thin…

Never understood this stupid sacrifice, just took it as poor writing for emotional effect and one which never really needed to occur. And ofc they created that whole ‘Tybalt! Awwwwwwwww…’ movement that annoys me to no end.

Tybalt’s sacrifice makes a bit of sense. Why? He states he’s going to rig explosives that’ll blow kitten in the fort. That would take out a lot of risen. Sadly, we never see this hole, so presumably he failed or ANet’s lazy. I like to think the latter, so as to explain why he wouldn’t come back to life.

Seiran’s sacrifice makes a bit of sense. Why? She’s sylvari thus won’t be corrupted; furthermore a distraction to keep the majority of risen off of the rest.

Forgal’s sacrifice makes little sense. He’s just a warrior, and old. Even as a norn, he can’t seriously keep them distracted for so long. And when he dies, he’ll just become one of them – giving the risen all of his knowledge and tactical/combat prowess to boot. Would have been a sad twist to force players to fight his risen corpse instead of the Vizier Ironghoul when the risen assault Vigil Keep.

It would make the most sense, however, if we treat it as if all three mentors are there and hold off the risen together, Sieran and Forgal holding off the horde while Tybalt sets up a bomb to wipe all three and several dozen risen out of existence. This is how I like to presume the personal story went overall – that there were multiple heroes who did every storyline, so there was not one but three potential-Commander of the Pact figures at the Battle for Claw Island, one per order.

Lordwafflez.4163:

Seriously, the moment in my first playthrough sieran died, i knew from that point all the other ones are going to die as well. The mentors are the most lovable characters of them all too, i just hate doing the story, because i know i eventually will have to do claw island and let them die xD

Because the script demands it. Stop asking! :P

Seriously, thought, that part is just to stir up your emotions about the Personal Story and I would say it is well done. But the storyline the unfolds after that………. I have nothing more to say.

How many Risen do you think Tybalt killed with his apples before he fell? Simply heroic

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It would make the most sense, however, if we treat it as if all three mentors are there and hold off the risen together, Sieran and Forgal holding off the horde while Tybalt sets up a bomb to wipe all three and several dozen risen out of existence. This is how I like to presume the personal story went overall – that there were multiple heroes who did every storyline, so there was not one but three potential-Commander of the Pact figures at the Battle for Claw Island, one per order.

I like this way of looking at it. Good point. I think all of them had their own reasons for the sacrifice, and they all make sense to me, when I think about it. Even Forgal. He isn’t just an old warrior, he’s an old norn warrior. You can take the norn out of the Shiverpeaks, but you can’t take the Shiverpeaks out of the norn. ; P

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It would make the most sense, however, if we treat it as if all three mentors are there and hold off the risen together, Sieran and Forgal holding off the horde while Tybalt sets up a bomb to wipe all three and several dozen risen out of existence. This is how I like to presume the personal story went overall – that there were multiple heroes who did every storyline, so there was not one but three potential-Commander of the Pact figures at the Battle for Claw Island, one per order.

That’s how I see it personally as well. At LEAST one person from each race actually.

Also, each of the mentors was skilled and dangerous (And Forgal is a norn. That’s deadly by itself :P), but if all three held the line? It makes sense.

Even so, what purpose did their self-sacrifice serve? There were risen already on the other side of the gate, between us and the ship (which, if the risen had had any kind of actual leadership, should have been secured or destroyed). Why make a big melodramatic stand at the gate, when all they had to do was shut the gate (like it really mattered) then run, run, run, and live to fight another day?

I’ve covered this before — wrote an alternate scenario — because this one makes no sense.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Where-s-the-story-New-Grindiness-of-PvE/page/2#post4489791

Well obviously they killed Forgal and Sieran because they were annoying.

Tybalt, on the other hand, was so amazing they killed him so they could try to make Trahearne the real hero.

RIP Tybalt.

Tachenon.5270:

Even so, what purpose did their self-sacrifice serve? There were risen already on the other side of the gate, between us and the ship (which, if the risen had had any kind of actual leadership, should have been secured or destroyed). Why make a big melodramatic stand at the gate, when all they had to do was shut the gate (like it really mattered) then run, run, run, and live to fight another day?

I’ve covered this before — wrote an alternate scenario — because this one makes no sense.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Where-s-the-story-New-Grindiness-of-PvE/page/2#post4489791

Keeping the main Risen force and/or the dragon busy instead of chasing them.

There were Risen on the other side of the gate, but not as many as in the fort.

If GW2 had actual tanks, and these hypothetical tanks had taunt abilities, and the mentors were all tanks…

Ahem.

There were more than enough risen outside to pose a serious threat to anyone (unprotected by plot armor) trying to get to the docks. Fortunately, all we had to do was trot casually by them, and ‘get to the clippah!’ The mentors could have trotted by them, as well. As for the risen inside, if the gate proved to be an impediment, they could have just run up the steps and jumped off the walls in their hot pursuit, it’s not like they cared if they lived or died or landed on their heads or stepped on each others toes.

As for the dragon, well… it could fly. Walls, gates, whatever = meh. Three mentors? One good fear would send them all running off the nearest cliff.

Mentor sacrifice = melodramatic nonsense. All survivors, mentors and whoever, should have made a mad dash for the miracle ship, which miraculously hadn’t been destroyed by either the risen outside the fort, or the dragon, and which, once we were safely on board, sailed away unhindered by any risen ships, which miraculously never bothered to surround the island but kept on that one side for reasons which make no sense whatsoever, so they couldn’t even hurl stuff at us with those wacky dragon finger catapult thingees. Tremendous tactical error on the part of whoever planned that assault. He or she should have been court-martialed afterward.

Maybe that’s what saved us: there were no military tacticians in Tyria for Zhaitan to assimilate. So his forces just bumbled along, same as us, and we just happened to get lucky.

Tachenon.5270:

If GW2 had actual tanks, and these hypothetical tanks had taunt abilities, and the mentors were all tanks…

Ahem.

There were more than enough risen outside to pose a serious threat to anyone (unprotected by plot armor) trying to get to the docks. Fortunately, all we had to do was trot casually by them, and ‘get to the clippah!’ The mentors could have trotted by them, as well. As for the risen inside, if the gate proved to be an impediment, they could have just run up the steps and jumped off the walls in their hot pursuit, it’s not like they cared if they lived or died or landed on their heads or stepped on each others toes.

As for the dragon, well… it could fly. Walls, gates, whatever = meh. Three mentors? One good fear would send them all running off the nearest cliff.

Mentor sacrifice = melodramatic nonsense. All survivors, mentors and whoever, should have made a mad dash for the miracle ship, which miraculously hadn’t been destroyed by either the risen outside the fort, or the dragon, and which, once we were safely on board, sailed away unhindered by any risen ships, which miraculously never bothered to surround the island but kept on that one side for reasons which make no sense whatsoever, so they couldn’t even hurl stuff at us with those wacky dragon finger catapult thingees. Tremendous tactical error on the part of whoever planned that assault. He or she should have been court-martialed afterward.

Maybe that’s what saved us: there were no military tacticians in Tyria for Zhaitan to assimilate. So his forces just bumbled along, same as us, and we just happened to get lucky.

Yeah, and Zhaitan should’ve just sent a flight of dragons north and steamrolled Lion’s Arch and Kryta.

That’d make for a fun story!

Cause you know, I actually did think about that for a fanfic setting once. I basically came up with if Tequatl attacked DR, it couldn’t do much to stop him. BC would have the best chance because of all the cannons and tanks.

The amount of Risen on the way to the boat was not as bad as all the rising swarming into the courtyard (which the gate halted their advance briefly, which was all that was needed).

IIRC, as SOON as your ship lands the Risen are already attacking LA/about to and you have to rush to the defense immediately.

Kalavier.1097:

Tachenon.5270:

If GW2 had actual tanks, and these hypothetical tanks had taunt abilities, and the mentors were all tanks…

Ahem.

There were more than enough risen outside to pose a serious threat to anyone (unprotected by plot armor) trying to get to the docks. Fortunately, all we had to do was trot casually by them, and ‘get to the clippah!’ The mentors could have trotted by them, as well. As for the risen inside, if the gate proved to be an impediment, they could have just run up the steps and jumped off the walls in their hot pursuit, it’s not like they cared if they lived or died or landed on their heads or stepped on each others toes.

As for the dragon, well… it could fly. Walls, gates, whatever = meh. Three mentors? One good fear would send them all running off the nearest cliff.

Mentor sacrifice = melodramatic nonsense. All survivors, mentors and whoever, should have made a mad dash for the miracle ship, which miraculously hadn’t been destroyed by either the risen outside the fort, or the dragon, and which, once we were safely on board, sailed away unhindered by any risen ships, which miraculously never bothered to surround the island but kept on that one side for reasons which make no sense whatsoever, so they couldn’t even hurl stuff at us with those wacky dragon finger catapult thingees. Tremendous tactical error on the part of whoever planned that assault. He or she should have been court-martialed afterward.

Maybe that’s what saved us: there were no military tacticians in Tyria for Zhaitan to assimilate. So his forces just bumbled along, same as us, and we just happened to get lucky.

Yeah, and Zhaitan should’ve just sent a flight of dragons north and steamrolled Lion’s Arch and Kryta.

That’d make for a fun story!

I agree. That would have lent itself well to the notion that humans were on the way out — because it would be true! And for everyone else, a clear signal: no time for such trivial pursuits as cow catapulting — Zhaitan is invading, and there are at least five more Elder Dragons just as bad as him out there somewhere! They’re not fiddle-farting around waiting for everyone to talk about maybe joining forces…. if we can all get along, and stuff.

Kalavier.1097:

Cause you know, I actually did think about that for a fanfic setting once. I basically came up with if Tequatl attacked DR, it couldn’t do much to stop him. BC would have the best chance because of all the cannons and tanks.

That would be the only acceptable excuse for what happened to the Cantha district.

Kalavier.1097:

The amount of Risen on the way to the boat was not as bad as all the rising swarming into the courtyard (which the gate halted their advance briefly, which was all that was needed).

Which was, as I mentioned, a tactical error on the part of whoever devised the assault on Claw Island. They could have had the entire island surrounded before showing themselves. That’s what I would have done, and I’m just a danged MMO player. Any escape from Claw Island should have been a matter of slipping away as quietly as possible. Now, if the mentors just HAD to die, it should have been while doing something meaningful, instead of suicidal. Like, say…

Mentor: Well, poop. It’s all over unless… hey, you! Kid. Get these wounded guys to that little fishing boat we saw back there, and prepare to weigh anchor. No heroics!

Us: But beloved mentor, aren’t you coming with us?

Mentor: Not yet. I have a plan. You go on now, I’ll join you shortly.

/e surreptitiously winks at Trahearne

Us: Heck, no! I’m coming with you, beloved mentor!

Mentor: Shut up and do what I say. /e mentor glare

Us: Okay, but then we’re coming back for you!

Mentor: kitten kids.

/e dramatic cutscene showing mentor & soldiers fighting their way to the signal beacon thingee, which we see light up just as we reach the ship.

Trahearne: He did it! That crazy son of a bleep did it!

Us: You knew? You walking talking rutabaga! I’m going back for my beloved mentor!

Trahearne: Nope. You’re needed in LA.

/e bonk on the head

Results: mentor = dead/actual big kitten hero whose noble and selfless sacrifice actually accomplished something. Us = no longer the raw recruit, but seasoned by battle and terrible loss, ready to fill our beloved mentor’s shoes.

Kalavier.1097:

IIRC, as SOON as your ship lands the Risen are already attacking LA/about to and you have to rush to the defense immediately.

Us (sad but in awe of our mentor’s heroic endeavors) to risen in LA: Hello. I am so and so. You killed my mentor. Prepare to die.