Guild Wars 2

Those lore junkies who’s into the wizards tower and the dominion of wind chevk this out im slowly piecing together the lore…. The Wizards Tower was moved by a Tengu (wizard) so that the Dominion of Winds could be created… Basucally meaning the Wizard’s tower is home to Tengu. To further prove the Wizards Tower is infact Tangu controlled i take quotes from gw2 wiki, " They apparently have some ancient, lost knowledge of the Elder Dragons (an awareness of the cyclic nature of their awakening, for example), but it is not known how they acquired it." Which goes hand in hand with the developers stating that the Wizards Tower “It was once rumored to house magical tomes and artifacts.” Explaining how the tengu know about the secrets of the Elder Dragons. We will soon find out more about the tengu and the Wizerds Tower after the elder dragon living story becauae the developers alao leaked out “Steelshrike mentioned that the death of an Elder Dragon may spark renewed tengu interest into joining the other races in their fight against the dragons.” And hey oh look theres the brand new elder dragon living story coming out soon! What timing huh wink wink and finally they basically confirmed that they are working on the Doninion of Winds and the Wizards Tower by saying since the last living story update Battle For Lions Arch “During her preparations to assault Lion’s Arch, Scarlet Briar considered forging an alliance between the tengu and largos, but for one reason or another this did not come to pass. In 1327 AE, when Scarlet’s forces attacked Lion’s Arch, the tengu stationed at the Shuttered Gate retreated to within its boundaries. During the battle, any creature that attempted to approach the gate was met with a storm of arrows, regardless of allegiance” hope you guys enjoy what ive researched we should be seeing alot of tengu after the Elder Dragon living story ends))))))) CANT WAIT ANET!!!

This is completely up to Anet but they could Possibly reintodeuce the Tangu through Mordremorths living story fight as allys to the rest of the races (to help save their own butts) against the elder dragon what do you guys think

I’m going to be honest, the grammar very nearly prompted to to quit the page without further consideration… but the theory itself is surprisingly airtight, considering how off the wall it is. speaking without any personal knowledge of the developer comment you posted, I’d say that the only possible hole I see is that tengu are not particularly known for producing mages, and whoever’s sitting in the Tower now is clearly a mage of great power; but since ANet’s recent lore developments have pushed the idea that everyone has it in them to master magic, that could easily be worked around, and your theory has the added bonus of answering some unanswered questions instead of providing more.

I’m not sure I’m convinced, but all in all it’s much better than the theories I’ve usually seen regarding the Wizard’s Tower, or the tengu, for that matter.

onemantankwall.3641:

. “They apparently have some ancient, lost knowledge of the Elder Dragons (an awareness of the cyclic nature of their awakening, for example), but it is not known how they acquired it.” Elementals could easy be dragon magic from the lost ancients

That, I doubt. There’s no particular reason dragon magic would be involved in what is essentially the same as what any elementalist can do, just on a larger scale.

The only issue I outright see is the “threats outside Garrenhoff” part. They’re not talking about destroyers but “body snatching” “war in every direction” and how the “people out there are practically barbarians.” (quoting their ambient dialogue).

To your last two points: that line only comes from a very cryptic line from one particular tengu whom says when asked to say something “we’ve forgotten” : “All right. This is not the first time the dragons have risen, though it may—or may not—be the last. That remains to be seen.” But that may be something as simple as them having conversed with dwarves and know their myths which include the Elder Dragons. The wiki is never a primary source for things in those articles. Not since even 2007 with GWW (there is something ironic I could mention… but I won’t for annoyances’ sake).

Anyways, Elder Dragons is not “dragon magic” since dragon magic is specifically the corruptive magic of an Elder Dragon (by all indications shown at least). Elementals are made in two forms, one being when magic is potent in an area and enchants the land itself, the second being when an elementalist creates one. Isgarren is the latter.

Is there anyone who can maybe fix what holes ive had in my lore explanation i mean he is right its pretty air tight and all fits into place i didnt think about there being a Tengu elementalist until i read that the tengu was considered to be a playable character before launch i mean anet wouldnt cut out a class on a single race so they are highly suggesting that the lore can work around there being a really powerful tengu elementalist closing up that hole in my explanation of the wizard

Your comments have been taken in consideration and ive deleted the hokes that ive found in my posts and filled them with something that’ll fit like the wizard being a tengu elementalist

Honestly i think i wrapped up and solved their lore on the tengu and that tower BUT the final question is, who did the ancient lost knowledge come from, who created that tower and in legacy gave the Tengu people that kind of knowledge and power? So we found out that Isgarren is the new tengu tower owner and that he relocated it out of the dominion of winds BUT who had it before him Could it of been an ancient tengu inheritance along with the land of the dominion of the wind or did it come from the ancient dwarves of old or somewhere else????

The reason why this theory is airtight is simply due to the lack of knowledge. It cannot be debunked outright due to too many unknowns.

It is just as likely for Isgarren to be a tengu, as it is to be a new name for Verata (all arguments – age and profession – against Verata is more or less invalid ever since Angel McCoy’s espirits interview) or a White Mantle fellow, or even a muraat or seer.

We don’t know when the tower was moved.
We don’t know how long Isgarren was there.
We don’t know many things, and depending on even just the two specified, can alter the possibilities greatly.

While it may be “airtight” it seems unlikely to me simply because it feels driven by the desire of:

• Playing a tengu.
• Knowing more of the oldest, active GW mystery.

Its neither driven from either it was driven from the curosity of the lore so i went to researching, and my research fit into place piece by piece im more wanting a new class not just a new race to play dress up with

Its completely believable just need anet to confirm it then give us more info on the towers/dominions past

I wouldn’t hold your breathe on any sort of confirmation from Anet. It’s an ok theory, but it’s still just that… a theory. Until Anet decides what they what to do with the tengu and the Tower, all lore on the matter is subject to change to match what they want with the story.

As Konig said before, there isn’t much factual evidence either supporting or debunking the theory, because there isn’t really anything actually known on the matter. You have a bunch of possible circumstantial evidence, which is all well and good, but it’s hard to make an accurate theory from it without a lot more.

I don’t think Oneman is saying that they are sure they are right- it sounds like they’re just trying to generate a discussion on the topic. It’s easy for us to shoot that down, having gone over the Wizard’s Tower ceaselessly since Prophecies, but to the fresh blood it’s still, well, fresh.

As to your questions, Oneman, we don’t have a clear answer, as you surely discovered in your research, but consider that the Tower is quite clearly built along the lines of human architecture, suggesting a human built it. If that is the case, and if there are texts within the Tower that reference the previous dragon rise, I’d expect the knowledge to have originated either from the dwarves or the gods- both theories have minor issues, but nothing insurmountable. The dwarves have the benefit of having had historical interaction with both the humans and the Avicara tengu, but by the little we’ve heard of it, their knowledge of the dragons seems to have degraded into much less specific religious myth, although any observant man (or bird) could have pieced together the original meanings based on what’s happening now. The gods are a more tricky proposition- we know they at one point went to considerable lengths to study the last dragon rise, but we don’t know how much they knew, and in any event all indications are that they never shared their knowledge with their worshipers. Still, it is possible that such things were recorded and were later labeled religious texts, and further possible that a powerful wizard could have found them and brought them home during the 1,000 year absence of the gods.

Id go as far as speculating that its of jotun creation (just the size of it hints to it) also “Despite their modern appearance, the jotun were once a highly advanced race, full of great spellcasters and lore-keepers before they fell through constant civil wars” its a magical floating castle with lore of old kinda fits the description. It could be a floating monument stone for all we know “They once had extensive knowledge of the stars and earth, and recorded their knowledge of them and the Elder Dragons in their monument stones, runestones, and stelae.” You could also be right about the human gods having a part of the building of it “According to Thruln the Lost, before their fall the jotun and norn were favored by the Six Human Gods and granted magic that led the races to prominence” also it connects to how the tengu came to inherit the floating fortress of knowledge… “the gods abandoned them, taking their magic away and handed it over to other races, causing the crumbling of jotun civilization.” And the rise of the tengu! Any other speculations?

I read the OP twice, and saw no actual evidence for any of the claims. It appears to be pure speculation.

Ive simply found a way for anet to relate isgarren to the tengu how can i say something that doesnt even exist yet is true or not what facts am i going to find about something that doesnt exist… Im sorry im not a developer who just posted the official lore

Some counter points:

-There’s some funny business going on in Garrenhoff; people going up to the castle never to be seen again, the barely restrained fury of the elementals. If you were conducting magical research that could go wrong, and possibly required sacrifices to boot, why would you keep it it in the near vicinity of the people you’re supposedly doing the work on behalf of? Why not move it to an unsupervised community of some of your oldest enemies?

-I don’t buy that there’s an easy answer for how the tengu know what they know. Whoever you care to blame, the fact remains that they were a savage race of tribal raiders in Tyria, and only a little better on Cantha. The proposition that they had peaceful contact with the elder races therefore has no evidence for it and circumstantial evidence against it. The legend idea would hold that they were around during the last rise- again, no evidence for it, and that they would go ten thousand years, advance so little, and then reach the place we see them now in just a couple hundred is at least as far-fetched as the idea they found some knowledge in a human wizard’s dwelling. They couldn’t have easily gotten the knowledge from any source, and while the Wizard’s Tower is not where I would look first, it’s no harder to believe than the alternatives.

-I highly doubt Isgarren, rather he proves to be human, tengu, or mergoyle, is “supporting” Garrenhoff. There’s just too many ominous hints that there’s some dread secret floating out there.

-This, I agree fully upon. Such are the dangers of quoting the wiki.

On a personal note, yes, Oneman is unfortunately going to need a thicker skin if they intend to stick around here, and yes, they’ll be beset by people nitpicking so long as they don’t take care with their wording, but they’re new, and enthusiastic, and in my eyes that forgives quite a lot. Ease up on the guy, let them get their feet under them before you aim to knock them down.

And whatever else might be said, I stand by my opinion that the theory is well wrought.

As another observation, there’s no necessary connection between ‘magical tomes and artifacts’ and the dragons. As some have observed already, the Tower appears to be of human architecture, and humans were not known to have any knowledge of elder dragons before they started awakening in this cycle. It’s possible that the original builder independently discovered the dragons, but tengu knowledge of the last dragon rise is probably best explained in the same way that the Priory acquired such knowledge – through the races that were around at the time, directly or through studying their records.

The impression I had is that the Tengu let someone else have the tower in exchange for an unspecified something, but I’d need to do some digging to find out where I got that impression from.

On the description of tengu being savage raiders – everything we’ve been told indicates that while they may have been on the primitive side technologically-speaking, but they do have a complex social structure and honour system among themselves… and a history of being oppressed by humans. It’s entirely plausible that they’ve had friendly contact with one of the elder races, or the Avicara brought jotun or dwarven relics to the Dominion of Winds which was translated after the founding of that nation. Most of the knowledge the Priory has comes from the Shiverpeaks, after all.