(edited by Torvarren.6295)
Zhaitan and the Future of Orr
There’s an old quote that’s floated through my head since the first time I laid eyes on Zhaitan:
“That is not dead which can eternal lie”
The Elder Dragons have always had that Great Old Ones feel. Yeah, I don’t think it’s honestly so easy to actually kill the Elder Dragon of Undeath. I would be disappointed if we don’t see a return in some capacity.
When fighting the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan the Eye says "I see in your heart that you have lost someone to Zhaitan. Someone named…(Sieran, Tybalt, Forgal). S/he is waiting for you now, beneath the dragon’s wings… ". This seems to point to a future confrontation with Zhaitan in which you will also run into these 3 again. Closure is a good thing.
Problem is, that the battle with the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan takes place before you are going to kill Zhaitan. In fact, I the next step after his story step is the Victory or Death (=Go kill Zhaitan). So this is barelly a proof. It may be that ANet didn´t make Zhaitan fight good, but I don´t think that by ressurecting him, they´d do much good. Let him stay dead, don´t screw up future ED fights and we are good.
Plus, Arah token are saying something along this lines: “A pieco of Zhaitan himself, now forever dead”
that depends on what the dragons are;)
if the dragons are created because of a huge amount of magic in tyria to counter it then if/when we kill all the current elder dragons there wil come new once but thoes we might have a chance to influence and get to benefit us;)
the fight where bad/ disapointment yes but underrestemnting your enemy is not something very rare atleast not when you dont even see your oppenet as equal to you so he might have underestemnted us greatly, the sentence about our mentor waiting under zhaitans wing can be understod as the mentor is now a minion of him and nothing more;)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
There’s an old quote that’s floated through my head since the first time I laid eyes on Zhaitan:
“That is not dead which can eternal lie”The Elder Dragons have always had that Great Old Ones feel. Yeah, I don’t think it’s honestly so easy to actually kill the Elder Dragon of Undeath. I would be disappointed if we don’t see a return in some capacity.
Well every time I hear about Zhaitan I think of a quote from Warriv of the Diablo series.
“Hmmm…How can one kill what is already dead?”
Perhaps his body is ‘dead’ now but his spirit is simply waiting to reanimate it, perhaps when the Pact is focused on something else.
As for the original poster’s theory there is a problem with it. The sword is made from the bark of the Pale Tree it can’t be a seed. Also I doubt the Pale Tree would allow the seed to be taken into battle where it can potentially be destroyed.
I’m the Asura Elementalist that stole all your cookies, well except the oatmeal ones.
Chaos always finds a way, who you think Evil learned it from?
Chaos always finds a way, who you think Evil learned it from?
Teoreticaly it is possible though. With some plants, you can take a living branch or something, put it in the watter and it will make roots so you can plant it after. The sword is made of bark, but it is possible something like that will happen. On the other side, the bark was severly altered by magic to serve as a greatsword so this may dissmiss the theory, even though it is interesting one. Maybe there will not be another Pale Tree per se, but something similar, why not? I think it´s not impossible.
And I always got a feeling that Zhaitan was not an undead dragon, rather than the dragon of undead, there could be a difference. I´m more inclined to believe that there will be another Dragon forming to take his place rather than “oh, Zhaitan isn´t dead, he just faked it! What a plot twist!”
Teoreticaly it is possible though. With some plants, you can take a living branch or something, put it in the watter and it will make roots so you can plant it after. The sword is made of bark, but it is possible something like that will happen. On the other side, the bark was severly altered by magic to serve as a greatsword so this may dissmiss the theory, even though it is interesting one. Maybe there will not be another Pale Tree per se, but something similar, why not? I think it´s not impossible.
And I always got a feeling that Zhaitan was not an undead dragon, rather than the dragon of undead, there could be a difference. I´m more inclined to believe that there will be another Dragon forming to take his place rather than “oh, Zhaitan isn´t dead, he just faked it! What a plot twist!”
I didn’t know that about plants. As for Zhaitan they ‘confirmed’ he’s dead but people aren’t happy. But that doesn’t rule out that his body is dead but his essence is still in existence. Since his essence, or soul, wasn’t destroyed it possible he could just ‘repair’ his body after a significant amount of time, much like how a Lich in other settings can recreate their body after being defeated so long as their phylactery is not destroyed. Perhaps Zhaitan has a phylactery somewhere near Orr that been overlooked by the Pact.
I’m the Asura Elementalist that stole all your cookies, well except the oatmeal ones.
Chaos always finds a way, who you think Evil learned it from?
Chaos always finds a way, who you think Evil learned it from?
Some proof driven spoilers:
SpoilerWhen fighting the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan the Eye says "I see in your heart that you have lost someone to Zhaitan. Someone named...(Sieran, Tybalt, Forgal). S/he is waiting for you now, beneath the dragon's wings... ". This seems to point to a future confrontation with Zhaitan in which you will also run into these 3 again. Closure is a good thing.
That fight preludes Zhaitan’s so it’s hardly proof – heavier evidence would be Arah explorable risen still praising Zhaitan as if it were alive still. But that’s still not much.
Either way, the risen are known for their lies and psychological warfare. That line by the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan is one such case – why? Sieran’s a sylvari. Sylvari are immune to dragon corruption. It is fully impossible for Zhaitan to raise Sieran as a risen.
People have theories of an elder life dragon being the source of the sylvari. A plant like dragon is what you fight to get out of the dream when you make a sylvari. I never thought this plant dragon was pointing towards sylvari hunt as being to kill Zhaitan.
It would seem to be that the Nightmare court is the natural way for the sylvari to act? Then during a specific sylvari story line you meet a sylvari that is from a different tree than the Pale Tree, but he had a naturally good demeanor it seemed. It will not be the last time we see him.
Now for how this could tie to Orr The Pale tree was grown when a seed from a cave was planted on top of human graves. I see Caladbolg as a seed of the Pale Tree that Trahearne just so happened to plant at the source of Orr, and what is Orr? A mass human grave!
The first part – sylvari being dragon minions on a whole – is baseless conjecture that has so many facts disproving it, fueled by a gross mistake by Wooden Potatoes in his videos.
At best, the Nightmare Court are minions of Mordremoth, corrupted via the Nightmare, which would be his influence in the Dream of Dreams. But nothing points to the sylvari as a whole being dragon minions – and there’s many things countering that (like the sylvari immunity – dragon minions are not immune to other dragons’ corruption as shown via CoE). Most likely scenario if any sylvari is a dragon minion, however, is that the Nightmare Court are merely spreading Mordremoth’s corruption without being corrupted themselves. But do keep in mind that sylvari die when touched by a dragon’s corruption.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
(edited by Konig Des Todes.2086)