Guild Wars 2

ok so tyria at a stage where races intermingle on a daily basis. lions arch is the prime example. children of diffrent races now play in the streets together.

i cant help but wonder if these bonds between diffrent races might evolve into cross-species romance and marriage? has it been covered at all within guild wars lore?

childhood friends can easily become romances in the real-world, so why not tyria?

p.s. this is more of a discussion of love the way the sylvari see it.. i.e. not concerned with reproduction. so keep it clean.

some may become involved with each other but cross species interbreeding is NOT possible, i forgot where the quote is but i think jeff stated that this wasnt possible

i wasnt so concerned with interbreeding.. even if the lore doesnt cover it, biology can be the assumed factor. im just curious if there are any known cases of a laving partner ship between an asura or charr? lol.

if not the sylvari. who dont even care for gender…. might be a good candidate to have a relationship with other species.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Interspecies-Relationships

Definitely possible for adults but children growing up together will have to wait till later. A-net said only the most adventurous will be found in the other species cities,. that means this integration we see is still fairly new.

I remember the asura (I forget his name) who was working on the love potion gone awry (that instead attracted hordes of harpies) being rather sweet on the female charr that was camped with him.

Sorry, that’s amazingly vague xD;
I haven’t been in whatever area that was in quite some time, but I remember noticing that there seemed to be some sort of attraction for the charr.

In any case, I really don’t see why not. I know several people (obviously human, IRL lol) who seem to find other races in the game quite attractive… xD;;

Sylvari NPCs seem to get along well with all other races.

Human NPCs have been seen being interested in norn and sylvari NPCs.

Asura care more about intelligence than physical appearance, so I doubt they really care for race so long as the partner’s smart. Unless the individual wants kids.

Norn have been seen interested in humans in GW1, and only care for legend so I doubt they really care about race so long as the legend is great. Unless the individual wants kids.

Charr don’t really seem to be much for romance, so I don’t really see them getting with other races unless they’re an oddball of the race. Long-term monogamous relationships are rare in charr culture. Usually it’s just for fun or breeding for the Legion. (side note: sometimes, it seems like sex is like a job for them, which is sad…)

Sieg.8439:

I remember the asura (I forget his name) who was working on the love potion gone awry (that instead attracted hordes of harpies) being rather sweet on the female charr that was camped with him.

Sorry, that’s amazingly vague xD;
I haven’t been in whatever area that was in quite some time, but I remember noticing that there seemed to be some sort of attraction for the charr.

From my memory, it seemed more like he was trying to sweet talk her into becoming a test subject, rather than any romance interest.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

From my memory, it seemed more like he was trying to sweet talk her into becoming a test subject, rather than any romance interest.

Probably. But it’s much more fun to take it the other way! xD
Little furry asura.

Spoiler for Sea of Sorrows:

as for integration, in gendarren, there was a woman who had adopted orphaned children of the other races, excluding sylvari who are born fully developed

My asura would probably dedicate his life’s work to finding some alchemagical way of conceiving a child between himself and a charr, cause charrs are cute and sexy.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

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Charr don’t really seem to be much for romance, so I don’t really see them getting with other races unless they’re an oddball of the race. Long-term monogamous relationships are rare in charr culture. Usually it’s just for fun or breeding for the Legion. (side note: sometimes, it seems like sex is like a job for them, which is sad…)snip

Actually according to Ree Soesbee, charr and human romantic relationships are similar, just that charr are so militarily obsessed that romance can be difficult. However, if you walk around the citadel you are bound to hear snippets of flirting and relationship talk. (also, charr females play hard to get to the extreme).

You’ll notice that outside their militaristic society, charr are actually rather mellow (not as the average human perhaps), for example the charr residents of Lion’s Arch and the farmers in Diessa and Ashford are for the most part, mild mannered. It’s really their spartan society that makes them so gruff and at times cold towards relationships. Persona wise, charr are arguably the race most similar to humans, which is probably why they’ve had such a history of violence and strained relationships.

I would think Norn-Human Sylvari-Human would probably be the most seen example of an interspecial relationship, moreso the latter since sylvari don’t have any special requirements i.e. being able to wrestle a bear and all that jazz.

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

My memory of the details of Ghosts of Ascalon are a little fuzzy, but Gullik and Killeen only knew each other for the duration of the novel. I’m pretty sure that she died while trying to save him and the rest of the group from the branded. His dialogue is meant to be more about his profound respect and gratitude for her actions rather than something romantic I think.

Hmm, you could be right, of course. Still, I find it hard to imagine that a Norn would call someone “the light of his life” unless he was in love with her.

You’re right. But being in love with someone doesn’t mean you’re in a relationship with them xD. It’s also possible that he came to love her like that because of her actions, either way judging on what we had in the book I just don’t think there was anything going on between Miss Green and the blundering Oaf, oops sorry I meant Norn…

Zaxares.5419:

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

I read it and Killeen was a nice and sweet Sylvari who did everything she could for the group. When the Branded came she stood tall and fought as best she could until her end.

Gulik Oddson lost a cousin, Gyda Oddsdottir, thanks to Dougal Keane’s expedition to Ascalon City. He met Killeen while hunting in the Caledon Forest. They were good friends, but not a couple in the romantic sense. So I think his comment was more about losing yet another person close to him than being close to her.

Just going to put this here
Lightbringer Tybalt Leftpaw: Burn me, I’m a human girl! Whoa, I’ve got two hands and some lovely…apples.
<Character name>: Keep your mind on the job, Tybalt. Go roam the city, and we’ll see if the ministry guards take the bait.

Zaxares.5419:

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

He wasn’t, as far as we know. Killeen was a kind of person who just grew on people. TVtropes would refer to such a person as “moe.” And Gullik indirectly caused her death, so he feels guilty.

Xenon.4537:

My asura would probably dedicate his life’s work to finding some alchemagical way of conceiving a child between himself and a charr, cause charrs are cute and sexy.

Real science is already overcoming similar issues. Enjoy:

http://www.chromosomechronicles.com/2009/07/29/sexual-reproduction-for-same-sex-couples/

Ah, the Eternal Alchemy in action.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Zaxares.5419:

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

He wasn’t, as far as we know. Killeen was a kind of person who just grew on people. TVtropes would refer to such a person as “moe.” And Gullik indirectly caused her death, so he feels guilty.

plus, a few chapters later he seems to have finally matured and realized that he was being stupid, and how losing kileen has made him see that.

so it wouldn’t be odd for him to say that she “enlightened” him.

Encoded.7460:

Just going to put this here
Lightbringer Tybalt Leftpaw: Burn me, I’m a human girl! Whoa, I’ve got two hands and some lovely…apples.
<Character name>: Keep your mind on the job, Tybalt. Go roam the city, and we’ll see if the ministry guards take the bait.

Interesting how this fella seems just a bit affected by human female assets. Makes one wonder how many charr have a repressed attraction to humans ;-).

Zaxares.5419:

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

It doesn’t really come off that way in the novel, sorry to say. They seem to be just friends and traveling companions, or at most more like brother/sister than romantically involved.

Anakita Snakecharm.4360:

Zaxares.5419:

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

It doesn’t really come off that way in the novel, sorry to say. They seem to be just friends and traveling companions, or at most more like brother/sister than romantically involved.

Yeah, I never thought Gulik was interested in that way with Killeen. Actually I thought there was a mildly implied attraction between Killeen and Dougal Keane.

However, Dougal is still, as he described it, close with Ember Doomforge and they keep in touch. An example of friendship from the group that’s still alive, which I find really cool.

Getefix.9150:

some may become involved with each other but cross species interbreeding is NOT possible, i forgot where the quote is but i think jeff stated that this wasnt possible

Asura Genetic engineering might make it possible. Just want to point that out

Ehh. The fact that it isn’t possible comes from dev interview. Since their intention is for it not to be possible, I doubt they will decide to allow asura genetic engineering to make it possible.

/thunderclap
The Creators have spoken!

Dustfinger.9510:

Ehh. The fact that it isn’t possible comes from dev interview. Since their intention is for it not to be possible, I doubt they will decide to allow asura genetic engineering to make it possible.

/thunderclap
The Creators have spoken!

All that means is it is not currently possible. I point out “Evolving World” It is not inconceivable that a few asura get together and make genetic manipulation possible for inter racial children.

Fafnir.5124:

All that means is it is not currently possible. I point out “Evolving World” It is not inconceivable that a few asura get together and make genetic manipulation possible for inter racial children.

That evolving world is dependant on the will of the Creators.

Almost definetly. Though, I think interbreeding would be limited to Norn/Human, as Charr and Asura are so different from each other and the humanoids, and Sylvari can’t even reproduce.

Caerulei.7159:

Encoded.7460:

Just going to put this here
Lightbringer Tybalt Leftpaw: Burn me, I’m a human girl! Whoa, I’ve got two hands and some lovely…apples.
<Character name>: Keep your mind on the job, Tybalt. Go roam the city, and we’ll see if the ministry guards take the bait.

Interesting how this fella seems just a bit affected by human female assets. Makes one wonder how many charr have a repressed attraction to humans ;-).

I always considered Tybalt as just weird, but I like the weird ones :P

When I ran that mission I didn’t think too much into the quote except to laugh but afterwards it made me think, Charr females likely only developed enlarged mammary glands during and a short time after pregnancy and the male would likely be hunting (fighting) in the female’s stead until after the cub is developed. Doubtful males ever have the opportunity to ‘appreciate’ such development in that time span so how the heck a Charr even cares about boobs is odd.

I would assume it’s partially learned from other humans likely how a human who’d grow a fancy for Asura would learn their ears are a desirable and sensual part of their body.

Leo G.4501:

I always considered Tybalt as just weird, but I like the weird ones :P

When I ran that mission I didn’t think too much into the quote except to laugh but afterwards it made me think, Charr females likely only developed enlarged mammary glands during and a short time after pregnancy and the male would likely be hunting (fighting) in the female’s stead until after the cub is developed. Doubtful males ever have the opportunity to ‘appreciate’ such development in that time span so how the heck a Charr even cares about boobs is odd.

I would assume it’s partially learned from other humans likely how a human who’d grow a fancy for Asura would learn their ears are a desirable and sensual part of their body.

Mere-exposure affect in action (the affect of being attracted to, or just appreciating appearances/persons just due to being around them and familiar with them). Due to Tybalt being exposed to humans for a long time, he would have been able to view them as attractive due to them being familiar. Sykox from the Sea of Sorrows commented on a prettiness of a human female at least once (as far as I’ve read).

Anyway, in the Tyrian universe (and just about any other fictional universe), where multiple sentient races exist together, a little relational meddling is bound to happen, though I’m quite sure it would remain very rare.

Dustfinger.9510:

Fafnir.5124:

All that means is it is not currently possible. I point out “Evolving World” It is not inconceivable that a few asura get together and make genetic manipulation possible for inter racial children.

That evolving world is dependant on the will of the Creators.

Through transgenal process, yes, just about any two species can be combined in some way. Morally it’s highly questionable though. People making artificial offspring are effectively making children for their own validation, rather than the wellbeing of the children being placed first. The purpose of procreating ceases to be primarily for the good of the next generation, but to meet the wants of the previous generations.

steps off soapbox

What’s wrong with adopting anyway? (Interracial adoptions can be seen in the game world which is pretty cool.)

Caerulei.7159:

Mere-exposure affect in action (the affect of being attracted to, or just appreciating appearances/persons just due to being around them and familiar with them). Due to Tybalt being exposed to humans for a long time, he would have been able to view them as attractive due to them being familiar. Sykox from the Sea of Sorrows commented on a prettiness of a human female at least once (as far as I’ve read).

Then the admiration would be mostly (if not wholly) non-sexual. I mean, someone who is exposed to horses definitely appreciate their beauty and healthy appearance…and I’ll just leave it at that.

If there was any sexual attraction to human breasts, it’s likely a learned behavior that boobs are sensual glands to both males and females.

Either that or he just has weird preferences, which in this context is too funny and likely a whole thread discussion on its own :-P

Caerulei.7159:

What’s wrong with adopting anyway? (Interracial adoptions can be seen in the game world which is pretty cool.)

The backstory of my Charr!

I actually find the characters that don’t conform to the natural tendencies of their races to be the most interesting. A Charr who, while a fighter, still is level headed and attempts to resolve things peacefully, an Asura who isn’t a super genius but uses his mind to be a creator ofworks of art like clothing or painting, or short tempered Sylvari who jump to a fight at the first drop of a hat.

It likely means they are more relate-able to a wider range of close friendships/relations

Atlas.9704:

Zaxares.5419:

I ran across Gulik Oddson at Killeen’s grave in Fields of Ruin the other day. I haven’t read the GW2 novels, but his dialogue heavily implies that he was romantically involved with Killeen, making it a Norn-Sylvari relationship.

I read it and Killeen was a nice and sweet Sylvari who did everything she could for the group. When the Branded came she stood tall and fought as best she could until her end.

Gulik Oddson lost a cousin, Gyda Oddsdottir, thanks to Dougal Keane’s expedition to Ascalon City. He met Killeen while hunting in the Caledon Forest. They were good friends, but not a couple in the romantic sense. So I think his comment was more about losing yet another person close to him than being close to her.

Spoiler:
He also felt responsible for her death she died healing his wounds saving his life at the cost of her own.

Leo G.4501:

Caerulei.7159:

Mere-exposure affect in action (the affect of being attracted to, or just appreciating appearances/persons just due to being around them and familiar with them). Due to Tybalt being exposed to humans for a long time, he would have been able to view them as attractive due to them being familiar. Sykox from the Sea of Sorrows commented on a prettiness of a human female at least once (as far as I’ve read).

Then the admiration would be mostly (if not wholly) non-sexual. I mean, someone who is exposed to horses definitely appreciate their beauty and healthy appearance…and I’ll just leave it at that.

If there was any sexual attraction to human breasts, it’s likely a learned behavior that boobs are sensual glands to both males and females.

Either that or he just has weird preferences, which in this context is too funny and likely a whole thread discussion on its own :-P

Caerulei.7159:

What’s wrong with adopting anyway? (Interracial adoptions can be seen in the game world which is pretty cool.)

The backstory of my Charr!

I actually find the characters that don’t conform to the natural tendencies of their races to be the most interesting. A Charr who, while a fighter, still is level headed and attempts to resolve things peacefully, an Asura who isn’t a super genius but uses his mind to be a creator ofworks of art like clothing or painting, or short tempered Sylvari who jump to a fight at the first drop of a hat.

It likely means they are more relate-able to a wider range of close friendships/relations

Yeah, I don’t think Sycox or Tybalt were attracted to humans in a sexual way (but it would be awfully funny if either of them were.)

I love characters which contradict their race’s stereotypes, which is actually why my story has actually gotten put down a few times because the main charr character is not a vicious war-kitten. (he was decommissioned when he was twelve and made a rancher due to an injury when he was just out of the fahrar). Stereotypes anti-stereotypes can be used well, but they need to be tempered with something that makes the character a person (<basic writing tip).