Guild Wars 2

Dalanor.5387:

Just one tiny thing. Which is common in the orders HQ? Asura gates. Which leads to Fort trinity, hq of the Pact at the doorstep of Orr.

Asura gates can’t really be all that special to someone who has airships and a giant flying UFO, plus her own portal technology. Unless she is seeking access to the Central Transfer Chamber in some way (Where Primordus was sleeping during Eye of the North). Originally most Asura Gates were connected to it some how. I doubt this is the case today, but I don’t remember it ever being explained.

“Polestar to the vast wheel of Asura Gates, the Central Transfer Chamber is a magical and architectural marvel constructed atop a major pocket of magical energy. The Asura channel that raw power to fuel all the gates in the network and link them together via this great crossroads of transport. Most of the major gates across Tyria lead to this location.”

Also keep in mind that she hasn’t shown any interest in Fort Trinity, and why would she? Fort Trinity served as a base for the armies against Zhaitan, but serves little purpose otherwise.

Prevent a retreat? Maybe? Making an ambush with footsoldiers is indeed pointless. And the Pact get their hands on the anti-corruption orb (what was that btw?) from the krait.
Nah, i don’t know, just throwing out ideas.

From Lion’s Arch she would have access to any of the other towns, including Divinity’s Reach (which she had no trouble invading by air), and The Grove (which again could be perfectly attacked by air).

One thing that is noticeable, is the way in which the three orders all surround Lion’s Arch in some way. If enemies were to rise to the surface in Lion’s Arch, they would literally be caught in between the armies of the three orders on one side, and Divinity’s Reach on the other. It would be one heck of a trap, at the cost of turning Lion’s Arch into a battle field.

I don’t find it likely that she is using the thumpers to map out the roots of the Pale Tree, because why would they reach that far, and why would she need to find more than one?

The giant drill shows us that Scarlet is preparing to dig really deep somewhere. So it stands to reason that the thumpers also fit into that plan in some way.

“Be afraid of Dragons. Be very afraid of dragons.”

Anyone remember that quote?

Set up a dragon meeting with the manipulating of the leylines, grab some popcorn and wipe whatever left there with the ufo? But killing more dragons would just screw up the flow of magic except Scarlet found something in the mist.
Tame the dragons, set them to sleep? Nah …
Ascend somehow?
Okay, i give up.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Wow Requiem. That’s so full of theories stated as facts I don’t know how you got it all like that.

*Theories stated as theories. Nothing more. You’d have to be incredibly presumptuous to imply otherwise.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

• The thumpers’ purpose is still unknown. The three-headed wurm and its ilk in the new meta event was an unintended side-effect.
• I’m not seeing a creature being pointed at by the drill.
• Her motive is stated to be unknown still, actually. Or was stated to be in the “things to come” update back after Wintersday was released.
• The Thaumanova Reactor was not to use energy, per se, but study it. And if it is intended to be a precursor of using the same energy as the Marionette… then the Marionette is using dragon energy (or would it be chaos energy? Thaumanova used both).
• NOTHING says that Tequatl “shifted alliances”. In fact, all indication states that dragon minions are quite incapable of doing such – and even after Zhaitan’s death, his minions still hold fanatical devotion to Zhaitan (as seen in Arah explorable mode).

- Unintended side-effect… goodness, it’s almost as if you agree with me!
- Question marks do serve a function.
- “So much makes sense now. The Pale Tree, the Nightmare Court, Caithe and Faolain…it’s all part of a grand design. But I see the flaws in that design. My people don’t have to take what we’re given, or be what we were “born to be.” No people do. We can change the rules…well, I can. And I’m going to.”"
Very much like Milton’s Satan- she wants to bring down the current, oppressive order – and with that, presumably, free the Sylvari.
-Nuclear reactors don’t merely study energy, they use it. Likewise, the goal of the Thaumanova reactor would likely be to harness it.
I therefore theorize that Scarlet intends to use dragon energy to fuel the explosion of her Marionette, having used her clockwork minions to create thumpers that draw upon this energy.
-I don’t know what happened to Tequatl, but we do know it has something to do with the Living Story. Beyond Scarlet, there has been no living story. Create another connection if you like, this is merely a proposal.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Ah, didn’t see that.

Also, I was studying that dragon painting, and it seems like the dragon has strange tendrils hanging from its body. These could be plant-like appendages. But one thing seems sure, it does not look like Primordus as seen in Eye of the North.

to me it’s more like ribs or spikes than tendrils. and i thought that it was given by now to assume anything that isn’t on live is subject to redesigns, including GW1 models and artwork. primordus’ EotN design dates from freaking 2007, more than 5 years ago. since then they decided that they didn’t want their dragons to be very dragon-like, and the most obvious case is how zhaitan went from a typical dragon (albeit very spiky) and into… well, that voltron lich demon that we felt pity for while mashing 2.

i, for one, was always very eager to see primordus as a more salamander-like dragon, crawling on walls and ceilings instead of flying around (being an underground creature, he might not even have wings).

Kain Francois.4328:

“Be afraid of Dragons. Be very afraid of dragons.”

Anyone remember that quote?

saw it on a woodenpotatoes video, but despite looking for it everywhere, i couldn’t find where he got that from.

Who’s to say that a dragon’s form is permanent? We saw Primordus while he was in hibernation, and remember that even the Asura thought he was just a magical statue. Perhaps what we saw was just a shell, or chrysalis. Perhaps he’s been munching on the leylines deep under Tyria for two centuries and has grown and changed. The only part of him that we saw in action was his eye, which appears to be posted all over Scarlet’s hideout.

Agreed with Bruno that a salamander-style redesign on Primy would be great.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Not seeing what you are. I don’t think. Care to point out?

I have beautifully and carefully outlined it on the map. Maybe these are the actual ley lines (God doesn’t work with straight lines)?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The thumpers’ purpose is still unknown. The three-headed wurm and its ilk in the new meta event was an unintended side-effect.

From the events on Lornars Pass it would seem that they are for drawing power for her various weapons (unless I am completely missing something thumpers = power nodes).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

and even after Zhaitan’s death, his minions still hold fanatical devotion to Zhaitan (as seen in Arah explorable mode).

Indeed – they simply don’t have Zhaitan coordinating their efforts.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Ah, didn’t see that.

Also, I was studying that dragon painting, and it seems like the dragon has strange tendrils hanging from its body. These could be plant-like appendages. But one thing seems sure, it does not look like Primordus as seen in Eye of the North.

Just a long shot, but these three somehow look like the new three ehaded worm… but it might eb just my imagination, because if that is the case, then our plant dragon is way off our thought of location or is way bigger then any other dragon, going under the ocean`s floor… and we allready hacking away at his tail

On the mighty drill machine.
I do not know. It does look really short, doesn`t it?
I do not think Scarlet can go deep with that, even if it is only a shematic.
Even if she lands her topspin off doom and drills down the crust, that size would not be ablt to very far. maybe 25m – 30m max.
That is not very far.

If we include our suspension disbelief however and think about that she is able to forge dwarfen steel, then she might be able to forge a very long drill which is able be let down through her flying portal device, from everyhwere she wants.
That means that giant drilling pole is able to withstand the energy that is being build up, by drilling through earth and stone, which might cause an ordinary drill to break.

Which would leave us with the question… where does she store this thing?

btw. is it true that she actually put a thumper in LA underwater and no one cares?

The drill is similar to the kind of large scale engineering drill that is used to tunnel roads and train tracks through mountains etc in the real world.

The drill is actually the whole thing, not just the little spinny bit you see down the bottom, each section spins in the opposite direction to push the earth outwards, so the drll can effectively create a tunnel the same size as the widest part of the whole thing – and looking at the size of the disc (I assume it’s the same thing) above the marionette, I would say it can drill a pretty sizeable hole.

What about this other map that is on the table in Scarlet’s secret lair?

It’s a map of Tyria with one interesting feature that isn’t on other map’s as far as I know: The dark swaths of land in the shiverpeaks.

They do not correspondent with mountains as parts of the shiverpeaks that are mountain do not have those black swaths.

Marax.4938:

What about this other map that is on the table in Scarlet’s secret lair?

It’s a map of Tyria with one interesting feature that isn’t on other map’s as far as I know: The dark swaths of land in the shiverpeaks.

They do not correspondent with mountains as parts of the shiverpeaks that are mountain do not have those black swaths.

It’s possible that the map only marks really high mountains in black. It’s also possible that the map actually charts underground tunnels.

Is it reasonable to assume that the thumpers might be sending sonic waves down into the earth, to try and chart underground tunnels? If so, then all this may have been leading up to finding the current location of underground forces (read: Destroyers). And maybe the digital map simply shows us where all of Primordus’ forces have been heading.

Maybe she isn’t luring Destroyers to Lion’s Arch. Maybe she is doing measurements, and has discovered that Primordus is already moving to Lion’s Arch. Maybe he’s already there, deep beneath the earth. Her drilling machine would not only help her drill a gigantic hole right down into the heart of Primordus’ army, but it would also allow Scarlet to lower the Marionette into said hole, as a means to fight what ever is down there. The current battle in Lornar’s Pass is a weapons test after all. Maybe the next step is digging that hole, and lowering the marionette into it.

I need to put all these pictures in one place before i go mad. Anyone remember this from a post by that_shaman? : https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/81524/pOZ1Dea.png

now look at this one: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Primordus.jpg

now back to this: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/132083/dragonpainting.jpg

anyone else see the similarities, or am I going mad…

On first glance the model and the supposed Primordus of GW1 look similiar.
Both feature the backspikes and similiar bodyproportions.
That`s it unfortunatly. The being we see in the central transfer chamber has a more christaline body design, while the shown model is more bony. They do not fit at all together.
If i had to discribe the painting it does not look like any of the two at all.
The Model has a very wild and spiky head design, while the Primordus has a sleek traditional head http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Ogden%27s_Benediction_cinematic_still2.jpg

However, i called it the supposed Primordus, because what we were seing there was pretty small. (i do not know if it was confirmed that this is indeed The Primordus)
As we do not know what the nature of the other dragons will be. If they will even have something like a physical body in the end, or being something composed of energy and matter has still to be seen.
By all means what we are seing there is just a shell, the core of that dragon, which will become bigger and destructive as it devours the energy around him, to the point he has a big towering magma chrystal body.

In any case, the painting has a head which is actually more similiar to Tequattle.
If we look at the other dragons, Tequattle is the only one with simple clean head and body, while the others are more christaline and spiky.

If i have to say anything about the painting it is refering to the three wormheads and Tequatle.
Something she has seen to happen. I mean, think about it. The Tequattle stuff is supposed to be part of the story (against popular opinion that it was just an update and they crammed it in. On the other hand it could be part of the story, but only of Rox and not of Scarlet. So far we have no exact answer there)

btw.: i want to see the Great Destroyer again. Also where are my Disks of Death.
btw2.: saw another compilation of the painting, he “big body” could be the one of the Grat Destroyer, though that could be wishfull thinking: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/132038/scarletdecke.png

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Ah, didn’t see that.

Also, I was studying that dragon painting, and it seems like the dragon has strange tendrils hanging from its body. These could be plant-like appendages. But one thing seems sure, it does not look like Primordus as seen in Eye of the North.

That dragon painting looks similar to this concept art. I think perhaps that this dragon may be Mordremoth, look at the head patterns of both pictures, they both have these wavy figure patterns on their heads,it makes sense somehow.

Yep, those curly head patterns do look like a match. Another similarity, is the lack of hind legs. The cave painting seems to show no lower body, and neither does that concept art.

To the texture on the projection, I assume you mean the darker swathes? If so, that just line up with Tyria’s major bodies of water. And it makes sense- the map is apparently some statement of intent in regard to the probes, and sonic-based probing technology calibrated for terrestrial use would be useless in finding results underwater, since sound waves behave differently in those conditions.

On the map on Scarlet’s table, that darker bit in the Shiverpeaks is actually present in every in-game map of modern Tyria, and has been since launch.

Is it just me or do some points on this picture seem to target the Gods’ temples?

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/132145/gw012.jpg

Serromus Jakta.3987:

That dragon painting looks similar to this concept art. I think perhaps that this dragon may be Mordremoth, look at the head patterns of both pictures, they both have these wavy figure patterns on their heads,it makes sense somehow.

Could the tendrils in the dragon’s lower body be roots? It seems reasonable that a plant dragon could be rooted in place rather than mobile. He could even stay underground when dormant/pre-awakened, rising/growing out of the ground on awakening. This would explain Scarlet’s drill- she either is going for his roots, or is looking to reach him before he awakens.

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Is it just me or do some points on this picture seem to target the Gods’ temples?

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/132145/gw012.jpg

Only in the sense that some of the probes are in the vague vicinity. The only one that’s really close to a dot is the Cathedral of Verdance, and on its own I really just think that that’s a coincidence.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Only in the sense that some of the probes are in the vague vicinity. The only one that’s really close to a dot is the Cathedral of Verdance, and on its own I really just think that that’s a coincidence.

Then it was just me, haha ^^

There are actually two heads visible. One is halfway hidden under a blob of red color.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why would she want the injector itself? It’s just a container attached to a needle. Something she can make with immense ease within 5 minutes I’m sure. If not less. It makes no sense at all for her to be after the injector.

Far more likely she was after the anti-toxin.

The same could be said about most things she ‘acquired’. What if she needed an injector that could inject stuff into huge plants…like…the Pale Tree maybe?

ThiBash.5634:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why would she want the injector itself? It’s just a container attached to a needle. Something she can make with immense ease within 5 minutes I’m sure. If not less. It makes no sense at all for her to be after the injector.

Far more likely she was after the anti-toxin.

The same could be said about most things she ‘acquired’. What if she needed an injector that could inject stuff into huge plants…like…the Pale Tree maybe?

she could still make one herself.

To me that dragon painting looks like Scarlet’s flying saucer hovering above the pale tree with a giant dragon below/attached.

BrunoBRS.5178:

ThiBash.5634:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why would she want the injector itself? It’s just a container attached to a needle. Something she can make with immense ease within 5 minutes I’m sure. If not less. It makes no sense at all for her to be after the injector.

Far more likely she was after the anti-toxin.

The same could be said about most things she ‘acquired’. What if she needed an injector that could inject stuff into huge plants…like…the Pale Tree maybe?

she could still make one herself.

That goes for everything we see. From the watchknights to the airships, she was brilliant enough to have made them herself. Why is this one particular item not something she can steal, but should have made herself?

Serromus Jakta.3987:

That dragon painting looks similar to this concept art. I think perhaps that this dragon may be Mordremoth

Pay special attention to the bold world in paragraph 4 Malafide. I liked my demon theory, but hey, you know…

Anyhow, somewhat off topic I really enjoyed her voice acting in the journal.

ThiBash.5634:

BrunoBRS.5178:

ThiBash.5634:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why would she want the injector itself? It’s just a container attached to a needle. Something she can make with immense ease within 5 minutes I’m sure. If not less. It makes no sense at all for her to be after the injector.

Far more likely she was after the anti-toxin.

The same could be said about most things she ‘acquired’. What if she needed an injector that could inject stuff into huge plants…like…the Pale Tree maybe?

she could still make one herself.

That goes for everything we see. From the watchknights to the airships, she was brilliant enough to have made them herself. Why is this one particular item not something she can steal, but should have made herself?

there’s stealing an army, or a fleet, and there’s stealing a single item that she could’ve built in hours, with much, much less effort than “fool the kraits, give them a false god, spend 4 months tormenting all of tyria… for a giant needle”

it doesn’t just sound implausible, it sounds stupid.

zamalek.2154:

Serromus Jakta.3987:

That dragon painting looks similar to this concept art. I think perhaps that this dragon may be Mordremoth

Scarlet's Journal

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I wake from nightmares – screaming, confused and scared. It’s getting worse. I’ve decided to talk to a mender. I’ve probably been working too hard.

Every night, the same terrors. It never changes. The mender was unable to help me, and I feel like I’m losing control of myself.

When the nightmare starts, an entity calls to me. I run – run into a sea of darkness. But not matter how hard I try to escape, it keeps calling me.

I’m trying to sleep – too scared to even close my eyes… So scared. Whispers come from the forest all night long, calling me, taunting me, possessing me.

Tonight, I saw it. I stared into the abyss, and it stared back at me. So much power. I don’t know what’s real and what isn’t anymore.

Control of my world, of myself, is slipping through my hands. And yet, I’m no longer scared.

It communicated with me through images of death, destruction, and destiny. I must know more. I must confront it and put and end to this madness.

Pay special attention to the bold world in paragraph 4 Malafide. I liked my demon theory, but hey, you know…

Anyhow, somewhat off topic I really enjoyed her voice acting in the journal.

well she did spend a lot of her life living either on the forest, or close to them. she studied with norn, hylek, asura, and she is sylvari, so she was born in a forest. it doesn’t necessarily have to tie “whispers from the forest” to “jungle dragon” as much as “voices from the forests” are a common theme when depicting insanity, and scarlet’s seen her fair share of forests.

zamalek.2154:

Pay special attention to the bold world in paragraph 4 Malafide. I liked my demon theory, but hey, you know…

Anyhow, somewhat off topic I really enjoyed her voice acting in the journal.

It could be Mordremoth, never said this wasn’t the case. However, it is also possible that these whispers from the forest are still her lingering connection to the Pale Tree. We know that she suppresses the voice of the Pale Tree.

However, all that power, destruction and death…. that’s Primordus in a nutshell. Plus, there were many references to fires, and she has a giant drill. We know Primordus is underground, and his minions wide spread.

There are ties either way, which probably was done intentionally by the writers. Could mean that the truth is actually exactly in the opposite direction. Maybe we’re biting into the obvious.

Dolyaks with jet pac lol wonder if this was WvW related

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It could be Mordremoth, never said this wasn’t the case.

I was confirming your theory.

May I add something ?

Research have been made saying that actually Sylvari are dragon spawns, I cannot find the topic but this pretty smart. For exemple, from all the races, they are the only one that CAN’T be corrupted by Zaitan (no unded Sylvari). They are also related to dream and nightmare, just as one of the dragon. They are all interconnected and following the orders of the tree.

So possibly, the only thing that made those of the pale tree free is Ventari and its teaching and the fact that they were far from the dragon when born. Yet, the nightmare is strong and some Sylvary can’t fight against it.

This being said, you have much more accurate research about this on the net. This could explain why scarlet have been corrupted by a dragon, he just “reactivated” the link.

Now the cool part:

The event related to Scarlet ends in 3 updates. AND AND AND Anet said they were about to stop those living world event to make a BIG EVENT.

Behold the awakening of another dragon after Scarlet’s defeat (defeat?)

BrunoBRS.5178:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why would she want the injector itself? It’s just a container attached to a needle. Something she can make with immense ease within 5 minutes I’m sure. If not less. It makes no sense at all for her to be after the injector.

Far more likely she was after the anti-toxin.

there’s stealing an army, or a fleet, and there’s stealing a single item that she could’ve built in hours, with much, much less effort than “fool the kraits, give them a false god, spend 4 months tormenting all of tyria… for a giant needle”

it doesn’t just sound implausible, it sounds stupid.

It doesn’t sound stupid to me. If you wanted to ‘change’ the Pale Tree, you’d want something that’s been tested to confirm it’s working. She got the Krait and the Nightmare court to build a ‘test tree’ and then Marjoy shows up and makes something that can infect huge trees. Maybe she could have made it herself, but Marjory already made the injector so why not steal it? And it may just be to take apart and make an ‘improved version’.

The combination of things could be a grand plan to infect, change or kill the Pale Tree. I’d hardly call that stupid. Given the fact that the Pale Tree isn’t exactly best friends with Scarlet, I’d say it’s highly plausible.

ThiBash.5634:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Why would she want the injector itself? It’s just a container attached to a needle. Something she can make with immense ease within 5 minutes I’m sure. If not less. It makes no sense at all for her to be after the injector.

Far more likely she was after the anti-toxin.

there’s stealing an army, or a fleet, and there’s stealing a single item that she could’ve built in hours, with much, much less effort than “fool the kraits, give them a false god, spend 4 months tormenting all of tyria… for a giant needle”

it doesn’t just sound implausible, it sounds stupid.

It doesn’t sound stupid to me. If you wanted to ‘change’ the Pale Tree, you’d want something that’s been tested to confirm it’s working. She got the Krait and the Nightmare court to build a ‘test tree’ and then Marjoy shows up and makes something that can infect huge trees. Maybe she could have made it herself, but Marjory already made the injector so why not steal it? And it may just be to take apart and make an ‘improved version’.

The combination of things could be a grand plan to infect, change or kill the Pale Tree. I’d hardly call that stupid. Given the fact that the Pale Tree isn’t exactly best friends with Scarlet, I’d say it’s highly plausible.

if she wanted the toxin, ok, that’s slightly more plausible. but so far what you said is that she wanted the injector all along, which is a glorified syringe.

So, silly question.

Have we already dismissed the idea that Scarlet might be using one dragon to fight another? We can absolute acknowledge that some dragon, either Mordremoth or Primordus, seems to be influencing her at this time. However what bothers me is exactly given what Scarlet knows, what does she plan to do with that knowledge?

- She obviously disagrees with the ‘design’ inherent in the Sylvari, and she might have perceived some manner of the Eternal Alchemy at the risk of her psyche.
- She knows the leylines, and has figured out their pattern across Tyria, thanks to the Reactor.
- Forging alliances she was able to gain vast knowledge on much technology and magic to make the Marionette and the ‘supposed’ drill it was manipulated by.
- Great Jungle Wurms stirring, Tequatl’s strength growing, Scarlet’s vision of a red eye, a red dragon painting, vines wrapped around the ‘Pale Tree’.

• Or that could be the Nightmare Tree, but I think that was more of an end result with her Toxic Alliance.

All of this, her tests on Tyrian residents, was probably at the start for her goal to deal with the threat coming now. Tequatl’s strength growing was likely the result of the demise of Zhaitan overfilling Tyria with more magic than normal. If that were true, then it might be expected that Elder Dragons might begin to awaken sooner than Tyria can manage. Scarlet is taking extremely insane measures to reduce the casualties by perfecting her kitten nal and setting the stage for two Elder dragons to contest one another.

Now, however it’s likely Scarlet might have given in to Primordus’s influence, since she’s actually trying to bring him to the surface forcibly. Still, this works out in her favor if Primordus rises before Mordremoth does.

She’s still crazy though.

Sykper.6583:

since she’s actually trying to bring him to the surface forcibly.

We don’t know that for a fact. All we know is that she has a giant drill, and mentions a great evil down below. And she has marked Lion’s Arch and the bases of the three orders on a map.

There is currently nothing that indicates that she is either aiding, or fighting an Elder Dragon. It’s mostly just speculation.

zamalek.2154:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It could be Mordremoth, never said this wasn’t the case.

I was confirming your theory.

Ah, I see. Well I just want to be sure that people understand that I’m not dismissing the possibility of Mordremoth/The Jungle Dragon being involved. He could be.

I just find Primordus a more likely candidate. The red eye, the darkness, death and destruction, and an underground threat. All of that spells out Primordus to me.

Sykper.6583:

So, silly question.

Have we already dismissed the idea that Scarlet might be using one dragon to fight another? We can absolute acknowledge that some dragon, either Mordremoth or Primordus, seems to be influencing her at this time. However what bothers me is exactly given what Scarlet knows, what does she plan to do with that knowledge?

- She obviously disagrees with the ‘design’ inherent in the Sylvari, and she might have perceived some manner of the Eternal Alchemy at the risk of her psyche.
- She knows the leylines, and has figured out their pattern across Tyria, thanks to the Reactor.
- Forging alliances she was able to gain vast knowledge on much technology and magic to make the Marionette and the ‘supposed’ drill it was manipulated by.
- Great Jungle Wurms stirring, Tequatl’s strength growing, Scarlet’s vision of a red eye, a red dragon painting, vines wrapped around the ‘Pale Tree’.

• Or that could be the Nightmare Tree, but I think that was more of an end result with her Toxic Alliance.

All of this, her tests on Tyrian residents, was probably at the start for her goal to deal with the threat coming now. Tequatl’s strength growing was likely the result of the demise of Zhaitan overfilling Tyria with more magic than normal. If that were true, then it might be expected that Elder Dragons might begin to awaken sooner than Tyria can manage. Scarlet is taking extremely insane measures to reduce the casualties by perfecting her kitten nal and setting the stage for two Elder dragons to contest one another.

Now, however it’s likely Scarlet might have given in to Primordus’s influence, since she’s actually trying to bring him to the surface forcibly. Still, this works out in her favor if Primordus rises before Mordremoth does.

She’s still crazy though.

i don’t think that hypothesis can be dismissed, because she did mention “putting the forces that rule this world against each other for the detriment of both”. it could mean causing havock like she’s been doing, or it could mean something more.

we don’t know for sure if she’s under influence of primordus though. we know there’s a high chance primordus drove her insane, but she’s not necessarily working for him. there’s just as much of a chance that she wants to kill him.

Requiem.8769:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Wow Requiem. That’s so full of theories stated as facts I don’t know how you got it all like that.

*Theories stated as theories. Nothing more. You’d have to be incredibly presumptuous to imply otherwise.

You never stated them to be theory, and the way you presented them, such as “So, the thumpers are drawing something, or some-things, from underground, and coalescing at Lion’s Arch.”, are stated as if they are facts. They are statements, not questions; they are not “possibles” there is nothing in your post other than the two questions of “why four X’s?” and “What is she summoning?” to imply that you posted anything other than fact.

And no, not presumptuous. You’d have to be unknowing of the lore – which given this is all about the new stuff, would include a lot of people – to believe that you’re stating facts. Because you gave no indication – even if you thought you did, you didn’t – that they were anything but fact statements.

Requiem.8769:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

• The thumpers’ purpose is still unknown. The three-headed wurm and its ilk in the new meta event was an unintended side-effect.
• I’m not seeing a creature being pointed at by the drill.
• Her motive is stated to be unknown still, actually. Or was stated to be in the “things to come” update back after Wintersday was released.
• The Thaumanova Reactor was not to use energy, per se, but study it. And if it is intended to be a precursor of using the same energy as the Marionette… then the Marionette is using dragon energy (or would it be chaos energy? Thaumanova used both).
• NOTHING says that Tequatl “shifted alliances”. In fact, all indication states that dragon minions are quite incapable of doing such – and even after Zhaitan’s death, his minions still hold fanatical devotion to Zhaitan (as seen in Arah explorable mode).

- Unintended side-effect… goodness, it’s almost as if you agree with me!
- Question marks do serve a function.
- “So much makes sense now. The Pale Tree, the Nightmare Court, Caithe and Faolain…it’s all part of a grand design. But I see the flaws in that design. My people don’t have to take what we’re given, or be what we were “born to be.” No people do. We can change the rules…well, I can. And I’m going to.”"
Very much like Milton’s Satan- she wants to bring down the current, oppressive order – and with that, presumably, free the Sylvari.
-Nuclear reactors don’t merely study energy, they use it. Likewise, the goal of the Thaumanova reactor would likely be to harness it.
I therefore theorize that Scarlet intends to use dragon energy to fuel the explosion of her Marionette, having used her clockwork minions to create thumpers that draw upon this energy.
-I don’t know what happened to Tequatl, but we do know it has something to do with the Living Story. Beyond Scarlet, there has been no living story. Create another connection if you like, this is merely a proposal.

• You made it sound, in your post, as if the thumpers’ purpose was “summoning” those wurms. Particularly with the latter " 2. What is she summoning?"
• There was no question mark there. Just " Note also the drill, again pointing to an underground creature."
• “Looking into 2014 and back on the plot of the main story of 2013, many questions remain: why did Scarlet brings these groups together? What did she see when she looked into the eternal alchemy, and how did it change her? What is she trying to accomplish? Is she just nuts, or is there something far more sinister going on? How do each of these moments through 2013 tie together?” https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/recap-the-living-world-of-guild-wars-2/ Her line in the short story really does seem to give her a goal, a motive. But according Colin, who links said short story in the post I’ve quoted, we do not know what she’s trying to accomplish (aka her goal, her motive).
• Reactors are more for producing energy. But what I’m referring to is the lab that was situated at Thaumanova. Keep in mind, Thaumanova was more than a mere reactor or an inquest lab. It was an asuran city. The reactor itself was used to power the city – but the reactor and the lab’s experiments are two different things – originally. The inquest, however, foolishly mixed them. The reactor was likely built before any chaos magic or dragon energy was being studied.
• Then why did you state it as if it were fact that Tequatl “switched sides” – something, I might add, is thusfar impossible as observed. Multiple corruptions is possible but those seem to become rampant and their ties to Elder Dragons unknown.

zamalek.2154:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Not seeing what you are. I don’t think. Care to point out?

I have beautifully and carefully outlined it on the map. Maybe these are the actual ley lines (God doesn’t work with straight lines)?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The thumpers’ purpose is still unknown. The three-headed wurm and its ilk in the new meta event was an unintended side-effect.

From the events on Lornars Pass it would seem that they are for drawing power for her various weapons (unless I am completely missing something thumpers = power nodes).

Not seeing any discoloration on the original image at where you drew lines.

And the thumpers are officially called “Energy Probes” now. What do probes do? They search, record, and allow automatic observation depending on how advanced they are. It is more likely she’s using them to search for something rather than using them to draw power – something because of the name.

Plus there seems to be no tie between the probes and the Marionette. The Marionette is powered by the Twisted Clockwork that are being recalled from her invasion events, not the probes.

Jaken.6801:

On the mighty drill machine.
I do not know. It does look really short, doesn`t it?
I do not think Scarlet can go deep with that, even if it is only a shematic.
Even if she lands her topspin off doom and drills down the crust, that size would not be ablt to very far. maybe 25m – 30m max.
That is not very far.

You forget.

The center of the drill has a portal – a portal where the Marionette comes from, and where the drill can be sent through. Continuously as long as the other side of the portal is open. What if it opens to an open sky? Then the drill can be as long as she wants it to be. She is said to have an interest in the Mists – maybe that’s where the portal leads from and is where the Marionette is landing from.

And if she still need to extend it? Stop drilling an add an attachment. If such would work (I see no reason why).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You forget.

The center of the drill has a portal – a portal where the Marionette comes from, and where the drill can be sent through. Continuously as long as the other side of the portal is open. What if it opens to an open sky? Then the drill can be as long as she wants it to be. She is said to have an interest in the Mists – maybe that’s where the portal leads from and is where the Marionette is landing from.

And if she still need to extend it? Stop drilling an add an attachment. If such would work (I see no reason why).

Yeah,i allready expanded on that in your Theorycrafting Thread where i was revisting that idea with the input from Bruno who said the the same. (oh and if you read a bit further i was using the portal example you just said.)
But yeah it is more likely that the whole thing is the drill, more akin to a tunnel drill we use nowadays

Aveinda.9260:

I need to put all these pictures in one place before i go mad. Anyone remember this from a post by that_shaman? : https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/81524/pOZ1Dea.png

now look at this one: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Primordus.jpg

now back to this: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/132083/dragonpainting.jpg

anyone else see the similarities, or am I going mad…

The three look nothing alike. Well, possibly the first and third. But Primordus looks nothing like either.

Jaken.6801:

However, i called it the supposed Primordus, because what we were seing there was pretty small. (i do not know if it was confirmed that this is indeed The Primordus)

It was confirmed – albeit indirectly. We confirmed that the asura were drawing power from Primordus, and it was that “statue” that they were drawing from.

Primordus is actually rather large-in game. About the size of Abaddon, I think – and that’s just what we see. It’s hard to tell from the pictures because they’re from so far away, but those destroyers? They’re larger than humans easily. And it would make sense for Primordus to be small compared to other Elder Dragons – given that he lives underground and all.

Jaken.6801:

In any case, the painting has a head which is actually more similiar to Tequattle.

Nah. The head is more like a t-rex to be honest, rather than any dragon in-game. If I had to point to any dragon’s head we’ve seen – even the frontal-only concept art of Kralkatorrik – I would say it is closest to the Claw of Jormag (but not Jormag based on the Dragon Totems of the Sons of Svanir).

It is way too different from Tequatl though, for sure.

Jaken.6801:

btw.: i want to see the Great Destroyer again. Also where are my Disks of Death.

I agree. Either would be far superior to the “Megadestroyer” – at least in name. What a silly name.

Serromus Jakta.3987:

That dragon painting looks similar to this concept art. I think perhaps that this dragon may be Mordremoth, look at the head patterns of both pictures, they both have these wavy figure patterns on their heads,it makes sense somehow.

That concept art is from 2007 and was confirmed to have been scrapped along with others revealed at the same time by Kekai Kotaki. All of the dragons looked a bit like that then.

ThiBash.5634:

That goes for everything we see. From the watchknights to the airships, she was brilliant enough to have made them herself. Why is this one particular item not something she can steal, but should have made herself?

All of her stealing-projects were of state of the art technologies. The airships? Brand new in the world. The holograms? Again, brand new technology (the corporeality of it is that is). The Watchknights? Marvel feat of engineering.

Plus, she stole the Watchknights on a whim. Same can likely go for the holograms.

The injector is such a minor thing, on the other hand. It’s no marvel by any means. The anti-toxin, however…

Zin.1673:

Research have been made saying that actually Sylvari are dragon spawns, I cannot find the topic but this pretty smart. For exemple, from all the races, they are the only one that CAN’T be corrupted by Zaitan (no unded Sylvari). They are also related to dream and nightmare, just as one of the dragon. They are all interconnected and following the orders of the tree.

So possibly, the only thing that made those of the pale tree free is Ventari and its teaching and the fact that they were far from the dragon when born. Yet, the nightmare is strong and some Sylvary can’t fight against it.

This being said, you have much more accurate research about this on the net. This could explain why scarlet have been corrupted by a dragon, he just “reactivated” the link.

Research? There’s been no credible research into that theory. It’s just wild speculation. One that has a good amount of counter-points. Like the fact that dragon minions are not immune to other dragons’ corruption despite what seems to be common belief. And the fact that the Dream of Dreams/Nightmare is not tied to the sylvari alone, or even all sylvari. Or the fact that mere non-magical preaching and tablets cannot break a dragon minion from its fanatical corruption – the only thing known to do, and even after a lot of modern research, is an ancient long-forgotten-until-very-very-recently Forgotten ritual which breaks that fanaticism to give the minion free will (note: free will != won’t serve the dragon anymore; Glint still had to hear the mental pain of her victims before she switched sides after the ritual).

But it’s well-known and well-disputed speculation. And has nothing to do with your ‘what if Anet ends it with the reveal of a dragon!’ which isn’t really adding anything since that’s been said a dozen times over. Not to dampen your spirits or anything though. I’ve just grown very tired of that constant “theory” (pfah, something’s not a theory until it has supporting evidence).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It was confirmed – albeit indirectly. We confirmed that the asura were drawing power from Primordus, and it was that “statue” that they were drawing from.

Primordus is actually rather large-in game. About the size of Abaddon, I think – and that’s just what we see. It’s hard to tell from the pictures because they’re from so far away, but those destroyers? They’re larger than humans easily. And it would make sense for Primordus to be small compared to other Elder Dragons – given that he lives underground and all.

You said it yourself that it was an indirect confirmation. Up to this date we do not really know how Primordus does look like, since the promotional designes we got before release are all being reworked to make them much more unique.

That said, thies “statue” or in my eyes core or shell of him does still seem rather small if we think about how the eldar dragons have been described:
Being that just through their movements were able to shatter the earth. best example our desertloving kalka, who left quite the destruction just by passing by and was quite enormous as seen in EotN.

Even if we think that he is a small dragon we do not know in which way he will manifest. He could really just be that. A “small” dragon like crystaline core (the one in GW1 was just a bit bigger then the Great Destroyer. However we can asume that these are not the final proportions. Even if he was “big”, he was not on a level i would call eldar dragon. He would be on paar with a Lupi in my book), which grows bigger by forming lava around himself to a dragon shape.
Just think about Zaithan. His body seemed to be composed of several undead beings.
If we can use this as a baseline, we can asume that Mordremoth and Primordus could follow the same pattern.

Again we have no real confirmation on anything, since we have not seen any other eldar dragons.

We were just told that this was the place where he slept and that the Asura were syphon energy from him like a thermal reactor.
However we were not explicit told what in that cave he was exactly.

The Dragonbrand was more than “just passing by” – he was actively making it with unique fire breath.

And if we thinkg about it… isn’t Primordus’ awakening – the first of them – the least known one? I mean, if memory serves me right, the original lore for GW2 said no one but the Order of Whispers knew about Elder Dragons until Zhaitan’s rise – it’s such been that Jormag and Zhaitan’s rise were switched so now it should be “no one but the Order of Whispers knew about the Elder Dragons until Jormag’s rise.”

So Primordus being smallest makes double more sense now, given that his rising had next to no effect on the surface.

And what do you mean “the one in GW1 was just a bit bigger than the Great Destroyer”? Are you kidding me? Wasn’t just what we saw of Primordus over twice the size of the Great Destroyer?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Jaken.6801:

In any case, the painting has a head which is actually more similiar to Tequattle.

Nah. The head is more like a t-rex to be honest, rather than any dragon in-game. If I had to point to any dragon’s head we’ve seen – even the frontal-only concept art of Kralkatorrik – I would say it is closest to the Claw of Jormag (but not Jormag based on the Dragon Totems of the Sons of Svanir).

It is way too different from Tequatl though, for sure.

well in his defense, the new concept art for tequatl has a T-rex head :P

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Jaken.6801:

btw.: i want to see the Great Destroyer again. Also where are my Disks of Death.

I agree. Either would be far superior to the “Megadestroyer” – at least in name. What a silly name.

it’s called megadestroyer because it was a normal sized destroyer that some asuras accidentally made “mega” (a measurement scale). it fits the asura much more to call something that they enlarged “mega” than “the great” or something like that.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ThiBash.5634:

That goes for everything we see. From the watchknights to the airships, she was brilliant enough to have made them herself. Why is this one particular item not something she can steal, but should have made herself?

All of her stealing-projects were of state of the art technologies. The airships? Brand new in the world. The holograms? Again, brand new technology (the corporeality of it is that is). The Watchknights? Marvel feat of engineering.

Plus, she stole the Watchknights on a whim. Same can likely go for the holograms.

The injector is such a minor thing, on the other hand. It’s no marvel by any means. The anti-toxin, however…

It’s an injector for giant trees…how is that something mundane?

Let me ask you a counter question: if she just wanted the anti-toxin, why did she steal the injector as well?