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i was thinking if the elder dragons magic was seeping back into the world as they slept and they awoke naturally out of hunger for magic and mordremoth was woken early (each dragon seems to be waking 50 years or so apart whereas mordremoth was only a few years after kralkatorrik thanks to scarlet) might he not be more powerful than the other dragons were?

i don’t think mord is any stronger than the other EDs, he’s just more aggressive, if anything he could be weaker because he woke up earlier than he was meant to. or he’s constipated from all the leftover magic he still has, one of those options

Well Scarlet did give him a nice leyline breakfast, so that might have helped. However in terms of strengths we’ve not seen Mordy being all dangerous yet. All he’s done is spawn a couple of mobs in Dry Top, wrap his tentacles around some waypoints and send a little invasion force to ascalon (although not a particularly big one).

Mordremoth’s threat doesn’t really come from his power. It comes from just how far his reach is and the fact that he’s right on our doorstep NOW.

In several months, he was able to slowly expand his reach across most of Tyria. The vines, which are an extension of itself, are attracted to highly magical object and has shown themselves near highly populated areas. Given the numerous examples from the different events, Mordremoth is able to grow these vines to giant proportions to destroy structures and spawn his minions from them.

Though I doubt they will do it, it’s entirely possible for him to basically attack a huge portion of Tyria all at once. He may not be as strong as Zhaitan, Jormag (if the legends are true), or Kralk has been shown to be, but given that the vines are extensions of him, he could probably carry out an entire continental invasion all from the comfort of his couch/resting place.

JusticarArkiel.1564:

i don’t think mord is any stronger than the other EDs, he’s just more aggressive, if anything he could be weaker because he woke up earlier than he was meant to. or he’s constipated from all the leftover magic he still has, one of those options

This is pretty much my thinking.

Each dragon awakening has been accompanied by a period where that dragon caused major catastrophes and claimed large swathes of land. Primordus destroyed most underground civilisations, including that of the asura, even before awakening, and claims most of the Depths now. Jormag broke the Shiverpeaks and drove the norn south into what was previously dwarven territory. Zhaitan rampaged across what used to be southern Kryta – lands now completely abandoned by Kryta – after the tidal wave. The DSD’s expansion drove most underwater races into the shallows. Kralkatorrik’s Dragonbrand was probably the least damaging, and that possibly due to Destiny’s Edge coming uncomfortable (for Kralkatorrik) close to killing him.

Every dragon seems to have a period of heightened aggression until they face a defeat or two, after which they settle somewhat and start building their strength for a more gradual campaign. This could be as simple as observing that the dragon needs minions in order to hold territory its already claimed – once it’s claimed all the territory it has the power to hold right now it stops expanding, but while it still has excess forces, it’s going to keep expanding until it stops.

Mordremoth is still in this expansion phase. So far, Mordremoth has done less damage than any of the other dragons did on their awakening. The reason he’s number one priority is that the defenders of Tyria are looking to contain him before he causes a catastrophe on the same scale as those caused by Primordus, Jormag, and Zhaitan.

Essentially, it’s that old saw about a stitch in time. Imagine you’ve had four kittens in your house, and every time one was introduced, it tore a couple of your curtains to shreds before it learned better. Now, there’s going to be another kitten in the house. Don’t you think there’s good reason to want to do something to prevent the next kitten from clawing at your curtains?

Now, imagine that we’re not talking about curtains being destroyed, but civilisations. Yyyyyeah, let’s not wait until Rata Sum, the Grove, and Kryta are overrun before recognising Mordremoth as a threat because until then, he hasn’t done as much damage as the others.

I don’t think any of the Elder Dragons are stronger overall than another. It’s more that they are stronger in different ways. That would be my thinking.

Plus, look at all the devastation that Scarlet caused. Technically, it wasn’t really Scarlet who was the mastermind. She was just as much a puppet to Mordremoth as the Alliances were to her. It was indirect, but all that damage was caused by Mordremoth. After all, the Elder Dragons rarely get involved themselves. They have their minions do the dirty work.

That isn’t to say that Mordremoth hasn’t had his big attack on Tyria yet. For all we know, he still has that card up his sleeve (So to speak. Do dragons have sleeves? Haha). Back on topic, however, I believe that Mordremoth’s powers will be roughly equal to the other Dragons. Though hopefully if we fight him, his battle will be a whole lot more interesting than Zhaitan’s was. During the Battle of Arah, I was not terribly impressed by the fight. His design on the other hand was outstanding.

DrakePhoenix.1532:

Plus, look at all the devastation that Scarlet caused. Technically, it wasn’t really Scarlet who was the mastermind.

How corrupted exactly was she remains the question that probably won’t ever get answered. And why she retained some sort of personality while every other minions lose it won’t probably get looked into either.

But Scarlet wasn’t a regular sylvari. Well before she was corrupted she was gifted. Mordremoth didn’t give her any kind of special ability to help her.

RedStar.4218:

How corrupted exactly was she remains the question that probably won’t ever get answered. And why she retained some sort of personality while every other minions lose it won’t probably get looked into either.

But Scarlet wasn’t a regular sylvari. Well before she was corrupted she was gifted. Mordremoth didn’t give her any kind of special ability to help her.

I have been wondering if they made a mistake with that or not. If i remember right, during Scarlet’s death cinematic, the veins going along the side of her face were yellow. The thing about Mordremoth though is that his color of energy/corruption seems to be purple. You can see it radiating off some of his larger vines, going up the vine bridge right before it gets destroyed for the Modrum event, and it’s even on the new back piece.

I’m a bit puzzled what to make of it. Mistake or not a mistake?

I don’t think it’s clear how long Mordremoth has been awake. One of the things that was suggested by ArenaNet a long time ago is the possibility that the Maguuma Wastes was dried up and turned into a desert by an Elder Dragon. That would fit into the world changing nature of Elder Dragons and would make Mordremoth’s impact so far a little more intimidating. Alternatively it could have been Primordius or just a natural course of events. The cinematic on the Breachmaker seemed to suggest Mordremoth just woke, so I guess we don’t know.

As others have noted, Mordremoth’s reach is really the only impressive thing about it. So far the areas of impact are relatively small, but the distance they cover is not. It’s still very isolated and personally I think Mordremoth’s corruption is the least threatening. Zhaitan corrupted the dead, Jormag corrupts the living, same with Kralkatorrik. Mordremoth strangles you, it doesn’t even feel like corruption tbh. Zhaitan was scary because when a soldier died fighting it that soldier often became part of Zhaitan’s army.

One of the issues with the story atm is so little is known about Mordremoth so far – we’ve seen vines, we’ve seen a few creatures and we’ve assumed that Scarlet and Aerin were driven mad by it, but very little has been learnt in game. Most of what we know are leaping assumptions or things that are occurring off-screen. Explorable Tyria as we know it is full of events, hearts, NPC camps and dialogue trees that teach us about the known Elder Dragons. There is a lot to draw on when it comes to gaging their threat, comparing their impacts and methods of corruption. There is very little to do the same for Mordremoth.

Erukk.1408:

RedStar.4218:

How corrupted exactly was she remains the question that probably won’t ever get answered. And why she retained some sort of personality while every other minions lose it won’t probably get looked into either.

But Scarlet wasn’t a regular sylvari. Well before she was corrupted she was gifted. Mordremoth didn’t give her any kind of special ability to help her.

I have been wondering if they made a mistake with that or not. If i remember right, during Scarlet’s death cinematic, the veins going along the side of her face were yellow. The thing about Mordremoth though is that his color of energy/corruption seems to be purple. You can see it radiating off some of his larger vines, going up the vine bridge right before it gets destroyed for the Modrum event, and it’s even on the new back piece.

I’m a bit puzzled what to make of it. Mistake or not a mistake?

Sylvari blood is a gold/yellow color.
Think of a man dying and his neck glowing red with blood
The “glow” could have to do with Sylvari being magical in nature, cuz walking plant people.

RedStar.4218:

DrakePhoenix.1532:

Plus, look at all the devastation that Scarlet caused. Technically, it wasn’t really Scarlet who was the mastermind.

How corrupted exactly was she remains the question that probably won’t ever get answered. And why she retained some sort of personality while every other minions lose it won’t probably get looked into either.

But Scarlet wasn’t a regular sylvari. Well before she was corrupted she was gifted. Mordremoth didn’t give her any kind of special ability to help her.

Kellach.
Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan
Captain Whiting
Morgus Lethe
Labwan the Deceiver

These are all champions that hold a high level of independence. In fact, every champion whom speaks is shown holding a high level of independence, and it’s heavily implied the same goes for those whom we don’t hear speak too.

Plus, Mordremoth’s corruption seems tied to willpower, not dissimilar to Jormag’s preference to convince others to join him before corrupting – the difference is that, per Pale Tree’s explanation, it sounds like a strong willpower can prevent corruption, but once it’s in – it’s in, and Mordremoth isn’t interested in “convincing”.

The Pale Tree’s line I refer to is this:

“I believe she opened herself to it when she let down the wall of her mind. Mordremoth’s corruption seeps in through the cracks in our willpower.”

Which, intentional or not, ties into how Nightmare Courtiers convert their prisoners – torturing until they give in to the Nightmare.

what i meant to say was not all other things being equal mordremoth would be stronger but if perhaps because he didnt get to the point where he woke up because he needed to feed thanks to scarlet he was in a stronger position than the other dragons were when they awoke.

CureForLiving.5360:

Well Scarlet did give him a nice leyline breakfast, so that might have helped. However in terms of strengths we’ve not seen Mordy being all dangerous yet. All he’s done is spawn a couple of mobs in Dry Top, wrap his tentacles around some waypoints and send a little invasion force to ascalon (although not a particularly big one).

Yeah, missing the assault on the mining town that killed a good chunk of the people there.

The destruction of Fort Salma and Concordia…

And “The little force in ascalon” has some pretty huge vines involved.

It’s really he’s in the phase all dragons went through which involved super agressive attacks, then retreat and kinda wait. Zhaitan was offensive until Kryta destroyed his navy then he went into slow but steady attacks.

We are seeing Mordremoth swarming out with his power, until something stonewalls his reach.

It seems like a sound strategy for immensely powerful beings. Reach out and take as much as you can easily then recoup, look at your new resources and start a systematic assault.

I don’t think he’s more powerful than the other Dragons. Mordremoth’s actions so far have been consistent with the initial devastation caused by each of the Elder Dragons when they awoke. I liken it more to, say, a bear’s initial ravenous hunger after waking from hibernation. Mordremoth needs a big meal of magic and he needs it NOW, hence him going after the waypoints and magical artifacts.

Like Primordus, Mordremoth seems to have largely created his own army instead of corrupting existing creatures, although the Sylvari seem to be an exception. I still think that my theory that the Mordrem (along with the Sylvari and the race of the Pale Tree) were ancient minions bred by Mordremoth eons ago to serve him, but being living creatures, they were able to keep on reproducing and growing even when he was asleep, leading to the possibility of them developing free will without the direct corruption of Mordremoth.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Plus, Mordremoth’s corruption seems tied to willpower, not dissimilar to Jormag’s

The Mordrem, like hounds and threshers don’t look like they were corrupted by willpower. And no-one would mistake them for normal creatures.

And the Icebrood are likewise unmistakably transformed physically as well as mentally.

Those of Zhaitans minions that retained part of their original minds still changed their behaviour radically, and their forms were often completely twisted.

Scarlet is a massive reversal in what a dragon minion is, in terms of story, plot and lore, appearance, actions, motives, personality, demeanour. If they’d given a dragon minion a leather jacket and put it on water skis it could hardly have made a less jarring disconnect.

The Mordrem wolves look like plant matter wrapped around a wolf skeleton.

But yes, Looking at it, I think they are talking about “biggest threat” as in “Biggest threat RIGHT NOW.” and not “Mordremoth is the most dangerous dragon of all time.”

Wanderer.3248:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Plus, Mordremoth’s corruption seems tied to willpower, not dissimilar to Jormag’s

The Mordrem, like hounds and threshers don’t look like they were corrupted by willpower. And no-one would mistake them for normal creatures.

And the Icebrood are likewise unmistakably transformed physically as well as mentally.

Those of Zhaitans minions that retained part of their original minds still changed their behaviour radically, and their forms were often completely twisted.

Scarlet is a massive reversal in what a dragon minion is, in terms of story, plot and lore, appearance, actions, motives, personality, demeanour. If they’d given a dragon minion a leather jacket and put it on water skis it could hardly have made a less jarring disconnect.

We get to see inside the mind of a minion in Edge of Destiny. If the minion is important enough to be more than a mindless drone, it retains its own personality – however, that personality is overlaid by forced loyalty to the dragon.

That said, I think Scarlet, like Kellach, was in a ‘corrupted but not a minion’ state. Both were still fighting to retain their own minds and independence, but while they believed they were acting on their own accord, the dragon was able to push them to serve the dragon’s goals when they thought they were serving their own.

Aerin’s case may be similar, in fact – he may have simply been pushed to believe that he needed the power of the Zephyrites in order to resist, when in fact it was Mordremoth (or a champion) that planted that idea in his mind.

Erukk.1408:

Image attached. Jip appears yellow, but one could argue that the ambient lighting and artistic style could account for that.

Shiren.9532:

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As others have noted, Mordremoth’s reach is really the only impressive thing about it. So far the areas of impact are relatively small, but the distance they cover is not. It’s still very isolated and personally I think Mordremoth’s corruption is the least threatening. Zhaitan corrupted the dead, Jormag corrupts the living, same with Kralkatorrik. Mordremoth strangles you, it doesn’t even feel like corruption tbh.

The ability to by pass any land or air based defenses and pop up in the middle of your troops or cities. Yeah, that’s something that needs to be dealt with.
As for his corruption… well looking at the http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mordrem_Wolf I’m not sure all he does is strangle.

Kalavier.1097:

CureForLiving.5360:

Well Scarlet did give him a nice leyline breakfast, so that might have helped. However in terms of strengths we’ve not seen Mordy being all dangerous yet. All he’s done is spawn a couple of mobs in Dry Top, wrap his tentacles around some waypoints and send a little invasion force to ascalon (although not a particularly big one).

Yeah, missing the assault on the mining town that killed a good chunk of the people there.

The destruction of Fort Salma and Concordia…

And “The little force in ascalon” has some pretty huge vines involved.

In my defense no one really cared all that much about Fort Salma and Concordia, Mordy basically did them a favour by landscaping it a bit :P

Wanderer.3248:

Scarlet is a massive reversal in what a dragon minion is, in terms of story, plot and lore, appearance, actions, motives, personality, demeanour. If they’d given a dragon minion a leather jacket and put it on water skis it could hardly have made a less jarring disconnect.

In the human personal story we see a human soldier (forgot his name) that’s being slowly corrupted by Zhaitan. He’s driven mad and acts out of character but for the most part isn’t directly being controlled by Zhaitan (although he sure wasn’t working against him). He systematically seeks out a cure for his condition and even spoiler seeks to kill Jennah to cure himself.
Granted not a perfect fit but we do have examples of corrupted working relatively independently and performing relatively complicated tasks. Usually though it seems that the corruption catches up to them too quickly, so their sanity does hold out that well.

It’s not about who is strongest but rather a matter of opportunity. Right now Mord is just being very active with little prep time. He awakens in a matter of months if not weeks (I don’t believe it was established that a year had passed since Scarlet’s demise) and suddenly he’s got Mordrem and roots as thick as houses seeping through the Earth all in search of stuff.

Every other Dragon thus far, that we have seen, refrained from crossing into one another’s territory. That doesn’t mean they can’t but it means they each have their own habitat in which they operate within. Zhaitan tried to break that mold but failed and Jormag didn’t even complete it’s first step before his forces were pushed back; preventing him from heading to LA.

Mordremoth on the other hand is using the earth. This doesn’t mean the mordrem haven’t encountered destroyers but we haven’t received any details of the event taking place either. I assume Primordus is simply lower under ground and the destroyers are using the old catacombs, once dredge and asura caverns alike, to travel and wreak havoc – giving both forces quite a bit of room to pass by one another without altercation.

Kellach was obviously corrupted. Even without the horde of undead following him, you could have seen from his appearance that he was not normal. There was never any pretence that he wasn’t a minion.

Scarlet and Aerin stick out like sore thumbs. The rest of Morderemoth’s minions are far more traditional.

Destroyers are DEEP underground. Unless an eruption or something else brings them up, they’re probably mostly a mile or two underground, or even deeper. Mordremoth’s tendrils are probably sticking to the first couple of hundred meters of topsoil that plant roots can actually grow through without excessive difficulty – their domains may not be significantly overlapping.

Wanderer: Kellach was clearly physically corrupted, yes, but his goals remained trying to break out of the corruption – a true minion doesn’t want to break out (that would be showing a lack of gratitude and loyalty to the elder dragon for their gift). There seems to be a level where the victim if corrupted – which may include physical corruption – and is prone to be influenced by the dragon, but isn’t already a minion.

The guy who sells Icy Lodestones is probably an example – he has signs of physical corruption and is overwhelmed by Jormag’s will when the Claw appears, but is otherwise rebelling against Jormag.

Scarlet and Aerin aren’t physically corrupted (at least, not obviously so) but that might be because Mordremoth’s method of corruption doesn’t cause physical changes in sylvari, much like minionised elementals of Jormag and Kralkatorrik aren’t clearly distinct from regular elementals of the same type.

Wanderer.3248:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Plus, Mordremoth’s corruption seems tied to willpower, not dissimilar to Jormag’s

The Mordrem, like hounds and threshers don’t look like they were corrupted by willpower. And no-one would mistake them for normal creatures.

And the Icebrood are likewise unmistakably transformed physically as well as mentally.

Those of Zhaitans minions that retained part of their original minds still changed their behaviour radically, and their forms were often completely twisted.

Scarlet is a massive reversal in what a dragon minion is, in terms of story, plot and lore, appearance, actions, motives, personality, demeanour. If they’d given a dragon minion a leather jacket and put it on water skis it could hardly have made a less jarring disconnect.

Talk to the Pale Tree as a sylvari in the first instance of Episode 3 and she will say that Mordremoth’s corruption spreads through cracks in the will of the sylvari and that is how Mordremoth got to Scarlet.

The Pale Tree confirmed that Scarlet Briar was corrupted by Mordremoth. But sylvari may not show signs of physical corruption – or maybe it’s subtle like Kellach and Necromancer Rissa, possibly due to being unusual methods of corruption.

I would place Scarlet in the same category as I would Kellach. A champion given enough freedom that with willpower they act against the dragon – or rather, think they are, while actually doing the dragon’s will.

draxynnic.3719:

JusticarArkiel.1564:

i don’t think mord is any stronger than the other EDs, he’s just more aggressive, if anything he could be weaker because he woke up earlier than he was meant to. or he’s constipated from all the leftover magic he still has, one of those options

This is pretty much my thinking.

Each dragon awakening has been accompanied by a period where that dragon caused major catastrophes and claimed large swathes of land. Primordus destroyed most underground civilisations, including that of the asura, even before awakening, and claims most of the Depths now. Jormag broke the Shiverpeaks and drove the norn south into what was previously dwarven territory. Zhaitan rampaged across what used to be southern Kryta – lands now completely abandoned by Kryta – after the tidal wave. The DSD’s expansion drove most underwater races into the shallows. Kralkatorrik’s Dragonbrand was probably the least damaging, and that possibly due to Destiny’s Edge coming uncomfortable (for Kralkatorrik) close to killing him.

Every dragon seems to have a period of heightened aggression until they face a defeat or two, after which they settle somewhat and start building their strength for a more gradual campaign. This could be as simple as observing that the dragon needs minions in order to hold territory its already claimed – once it’s claimed all the territory it has the power to hold right now it stops expanding, but while it still has excess forces, it’s going to keep expanding until it stops.

Mordremoth is still in this expansion phase. So far, Mordremoth has done less damage than any of the other dragons did on their awakening. The reason he’s number one priority is that the defenders of Tyria are looking to contain him before he causes a catastrophe on the same scale as those caused by Primordus, Jormag, and Zhaitan.

Essentially, it’s that old saw about a stitch in time. Imagine you’ve had four kittens in your house, and every time one was introduced, it tore a couple of your curtains to shreds before it learned better. Now, there’s going to be another kitten in the house. Don’t you think there’s good reason to want to do something to prevent the next kitten from clawing at your curtains?

Now, imagine that we’re not talking about curtains being destroyed, but civilisations. Yyyyyeah, let’s not wait until Rata Sum, the Grove, and Kryta are overrun before recognising Mordremoth as a threat because until then, he hasn’t done as much damage as the others.

Zhaitan was the most aggressive one before its downfall.

Slowpokeking.8720:

Zhaitan was the most aggressive one before its downfall.

he was hugely aggressive, yes, but not to mord’s extent. zhaitain never had his forces all out attacking in ascalon really, and he certainly didn’t have his tendrils/minions everywhere. also, if i recall correctly, zhaitain took years to start actually attacking anyone, while mord took a mere year to start his attacks after he woke up. though if we count scarlet as an attack by mord, he started attacking a year before he woke up.

Zhaitan went on the offensive pretty quickly after raising Orr, destroying what parts of southern Kryta had survived the tidal wave. Basically, what happened there was that the various polities succeeded in containing him for a time, and then in the Personal Story he threatened to break that containment.

And technically speaking, Zhaitan did attack Ascalon – though in far less quantity than Mordremoth – as we see in both the charr level 20-30 storyline that starts with Graveyard Ornaments and later on during Fixing the Blame. And the first one was before he assaulted Claw Island (during such time, he also laid assaults via Kellach, Mazdak the Accursed, and Necromancer Ressa (the last tied to the assaults on Ascalon, as well as the Shiverpeaks) on Kryta).

JusticarArkiel.1564:

Slowpokeking.8720:

Zhaitan was the most aggressive one before its downfall.

he was hugely aggressive, yes, but not to mord’s extent. zhaitain never had his forces all out attacking in ascalon really, and he certainly didn’t have his tendrils/minions everywhere. also, if i recall correctly, zhaitain took years to start actually attacking anyone, while mord took a mere year to start his attacks after he woke up. though if we count scarlet as an attack by mord, he started attacking a year before he woke up.

But he sent massive forces to attack all the ports and other places. He had a huge navy, a bunch of mesmer infiltrators and dragon champions to form a dreadful army. That’s a bigger threat than Mord. Also Zhaitan’s minions kept most of their power before death, unlike the other dragon’s minions, power mostly came from the dragon.

JusticarArkiel.1564:

Slowpokeking.8720:

Zhaitan was the most aggressive one before its downfall.

he was hugely aggressive, yes, but not to mord’s extent. zhaitain never had his forces all out attacking in ascalon really, and he certainly didn’t have his tendrils/minions everywhere. also, if i recall correctly, zhaitain took years to start actually attacking anyone, while mord took a mere year to start his attacks after he woke up. though if we count scarlet as an attack by mord, he started attacking a year before he woke up.

Mordremoth started attacking at the least, months or weeks after waking up, not an entire year later :P.

If we’re counting Scarlet for how soon Mordremoth attacked, then Primordus has him beat: The Great Destroyer was wiping out civilizations 50 years before Primordus woke up. :P

And Jormag had Drakkar and Svanir wreaking havoc for at least 100 years before his awakening.

Back in my old guild, we theorised the order the EDs would awaken, and that it would be in order that matched the ED’s strength. Thus Mordremoth, awake already is stronger than Zhaitan but not close to the others we’ve seen before.

My guildies predicted then we’d see the elder dragons rise in this order:

Zhaitan (dead)
Mordremoth (now awake)
Deep Sea Dragon
Jormag
Primordius
Kralkatorrik

Will come back and link this post if I’m right (in about 6-7 years time)

Dondarrion.2748:

My guildies predicted then we’d see the elder dragons rise in this order:

Zhaitan (dead)
Mordremoth (awake)
Deep Sea Dragon (unknown; probably awake)
Jormag (awake)
Primordius (awake)
Kralkatorrik (was awake; now sleeping again?)

FIxed that for you.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Dondarrion.2748:

My guildies predicted then we’d see the elder dragons rise in this order:

Zhaitan (dead)
Mordremoth (awake)
Deep Sea Dragon (unknow; probably awake)
Jormag (awake)
Primordius (awake)
Kralkatorrik (was awake; now sleeping again?)

FIxed that for you.

Not really, but thanks though… I’d argue we can’t say either when we don’t know about DSD,Jormag,Primordius and Kralkatorrik. Yes, we see traces and consequences of their corruption, but I don’t believe these dragons are awake just yet.
Mordremoth corrupted Scarlet and only awoke when she finally struck home with the drill on the ley lines, so there was a time you only saw his power spreading while it was not yet awake.
Anyhow – point was my order of appearance too; I’m guessing Zhaitan, Mordremoth and DSD will all be rash and attack prematurely sealing their own fates, while perhaps the last three will have been lurking and building long enough to become even more substantial threats.

You aren’t sure Jormag, Primordus and Kralk are awake ?

Hundreds of people have seen Kralk’s awakening, Norns fought with Jormag and the dwarves are busy fighting Primordus.

Personally I think that Mordem power is similar to other elder dragons..
The only think that differences Mordrem from others is the fact that we are living on the game this threat, while others (Primordus and Zhaitan excluded) are just part of the lore for now, so we have just heard about their power, not lived it…
Let’s focus on the dragons:

Zhaitan: He rises up an entire continent, Orr, he had a powerful army that we faces on the personal story, a “strong” champion like Tequatl and other 3 dragons that we can see on the Arah story mode (the real problem is just the design of the last fight against it, that makes us feel that he’s weak compared to his army onestly)

Jormag: He corrupted norns, and forced the good ones to flee on south of Shiverpeak continent, and putted a champion on the top of our explorable zone… What we are fighting is just his influence on shiverpeak, not his awakening like Mordrem so we are just seeing the consequences of his awakening..

Deep Sea Dragon: Same as Jormag, he woke up and forces races to flee away from the deep underwater, so we have just consequences and a bunch of facts that demonstrates his awakening..

Kralkatorrik: We can see the power of kralkatorrik on Destiny’s Edge book, so we have a detailed lore about him, and on the game we can see his power that corrupted ascalon fields creating “the brand”, we are costantly facing his champion “The Shatterer”, but far from the lore we have the same situation of Jormag and DSD: no direct demonstration of his power (fighting him like Zhaitan), but just consequences of his awakening..

Primordus: I know only about him by reading info since i’ve never played gw1, so i pray GW1 players to complete this

Mordremoth: Mordrem is awakening now, he spreads minions and extension of his body on all Tyria, he’s corrupting plants but we haven’t faced yet his champion, and what we are living now is the first part of his awakening, so we can judge his power only after the dragon will surface up, or when we’ll beat him (hope not like Zhaitan)…
But since the start he send us a message: He can move through the wp on all Tyria, so soon we’ll see him corrupting other zone and spread his plague on all the actual world..

So after this, I confirm my theory: all dragons are equally powerful, they all corrupt the zone where they’re situated, they all corrupt races and they all corrupt every place under their influence…
No dragon is more powerful than others

Do you think Zhaitan might spent too much power to rise up the continent and create so many minions, so many champions, so itself’s power went weak and had to feed so much through its mouth?

Dondarrion.2748:

Back in my old guild, we theorised the order the EDs would awaken, and that it would be in order that matched the ED’s strength. Thus Mordremoth, awake already is stronger than Zhaitan but not close to the others we’ve seen before.

That’s just too simplistic for my tastes in order to agree with it. Rather I rate them by aggression and opportunity. Mordremoth had the element of surprise, going from thorns attaching to WPs to giant roots that could shift landmasses. That’s not to say he was stronger than Zhaitan, he was just playing the game differently. Right now Jor, Prim, Kral, and even DSD are all relatively keeping to themselves; they may see an opportunity as well at a later date.

Most of the damage Primordus did before awakening, tbh. The destruction of the asuran and other underground civilisations and assaults on the surface were performed by the Great Destroyer, who at the time was Primordus’ main champion. When Primordus finally awoke, it seems to have just moved into territory that was already cleared – while we’ve seen destroyers on the surface, I don’t think they’ve ever represented a threat in GW2 to the level they did in GW1.

That said, according to lore, this is because the stone dwarfs in the Depth are continuing to contain him.

This, incidentally, allows for the possibility of something similar with the DSD. Jormag and Kralkatorrik have both been fought by heroes directly, however, so we know those two have awoken.

Dondarrion.2748:

Back in my old guild, we theorised the order the EDs would awaken, and that it would be in order that matched the ED’s strength. Thus Mordremoth, awake already is stronger than Zhaitan but not close to the others we’ve seen before.

My guildies predicted then we’d see the elder dragons rise in this order:

Zhaitan (dead)
Mordremoth (now awake)
Deep Sea Dragon
Jormag
Primordius
Kralkatorrik

Will come back and link this post if I’m right (in about 6-7 years time)

Erm, that’s not the order of Elder Dragon rising. From earliest to latest, the order of awaking is:

Primordus->Jormag->Zhaitan->Deep Sea Dragon->Kralkatorrik->Mordremoth

Dondarrion.2748:

Not really, but thanks though… I’d argue we can’t say either when we don’t know about DSD,Jormag,Primordius and Kralkatorrik. Yes, we see traces and consequences of their corruption, but I don’t believe these dragons are awake just yet.

All Elder Dragons known about are awake. Primordus was the first to awaken – 200 years prior to the game. Few people knew about it, in regards to casual civilizations beyond the asura, but that’s when it happened. Jormag and the others awoke too, with Kralkatorrik’s awakening being featured in the novel Edge of Destiny that occurred 5 years before the Personal Story.

And in all honesty, the one who did the most damage when waking up was Primordus, as before he woke up his champion – a single champion – wiped out multiple civilizations, drove the asura who had six cities on par to Rata Sum from the underground, and pretty much wiped out the dwarves. Jormag came second with his waking threats, having scattered the kodan race (only “a few” fled south when he did so, and that few was 5 Sanctuary cities), shattered the tallest mountain range known in the world, and devoured a Spirit of the Wild as it forced the norn race south.

Primordus woke up ~200 years ago. Jormag woke up ~150 years ago. Zhaitan woke up ~100 years ago. The DSD woke up ~50 years ago. Kralkatorrik woke up 1320 AE (7 years prior to Mordremoth), and Mordremoth woke up just recently. This is not speculation, this if fact. The only date for an Elder Dragon’s awakening we don’t know the exact year of is the Deep Sea Dragon, and only because it’s so far away.

There is no corruption if an Elder Dragon – and its champions – are still hibernating. A champion tends to wake up before the Elder Dragon, to prepare the way for their master in various different means (though we’ve only seen this happen with Primordus, Jormag, and Mordremoth).