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Posted by: Klipso.8653

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So due to work i only had the first 4 episodes of LS2 unlocked.. well i recently helped out a guild mate with some of the episodes that i had no access to beforehand.

Now throughout the entire story so far, all dragons are referred to as “it”

Except for Glint, who is apparently the only dragon that has a gender. “Her”

Why does this specific dragon not follow the rules?

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Posted by: Evans.6347

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Glint was on good terms with the other races. She was a sort of prophet. I’m sure at some point, someone would have addressed her gender. She had babies after all.

But maybe dragons are genderless and she just adopted the female gender to simplify interaction with other races. Who knows?

Elder dragons are more referred to as ‘forces of nature’, not really as individuals.

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Posted by: Diovid.9506

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So due to work i only had the first 4 episodes of LS2 unlocked.. well i recently helped out a guild mate with some of the episodes that i had no access to beforehand.

Now throughout the entire story so far, all dragons are referred to as “it”

Except for Glint, who is apparently the only dragon that has a gender. “Her”

Why does this specific dragon not follow the rules?

Part of the reason is that Glint is a character we actually get to interact with and in that interaction she has a female voice and a bit of a motherly/grandmothery demeanor. Part of the reason is also that Glint is not an Elder Dragon, unlike the other dragons that are being discussed. Only Elder Dragons are so far above/beyond normal mortal beings that simplistic descriptions such as gender cease to be useful in their description. I mean, sure, most players will describe Zhaitan and Mordremoth as ‘male’ but that doesn’t mean that descriptor is very meaningul in relation to them.

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Posted by: Klipso.8653

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The only viable explanation i can think of is that the minions still retain gender as we saw with the silvari during the HoT story. Glint was after all, only a minion

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Except that the sylvari only have the outward appearance of gender, and from what we see of how the mordrem operate, it’s likely that they have that because the Pale Tree sucked up human genetic information as she grew.

There are hints that Glint may have had a previous life before being enslaved by Kralkatorrik, so it’s possible that she retained her original gender in some sense (female egg-layers that are corrupted do seem to retain the ability to lay eggs, as seen with Branded devourers, Risen spiders, and Risen drakes). She may be creating the eggs by less conventional means than laying them, but still regards herself as female by analogy. Or it could simply be as Evans suggested – she has a female persona because that makes it easier for gendered sapients to relate to her.

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Posted by: Daralii.8940

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Except that the sylvari only have the outward appearance of gender, and from what we see of how the mordrem operate, it’s likely that they have that because the Pale Tree sucked up human genetic information as she grew.

Except Malyck’s every bit as humanoid as Grove sylvari, despite coming from a different tree.

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Posted by: Diovid.9506

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Except that the sylvari only have the outward appearance of gender, and from what we see of how the mordrem operate, it’s likely that they have that because the Pale Tree sucked up human genetic information as she grew.

Except Malyck’s every bit as humanoid as Grove sylvari, despite coming from a different tree.

Which could easily be explained by his tree also being somewhere with dead humans, which is hardly suprising with all the struggles between white mantle and shining blade in the jungle.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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There aren’t a lot of dragons in GW2 at the moment. The Elder Dragons are portrayed as monstrous forces of nature, so ‘it’ seems appropriate.

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

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Glint laid eggs. This makes Glint definitely female. The other dragons have given no indication of they’re sex.

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Posted by: Diovid.9506

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Glint laid eggs. This makes Glint definitely female.

Unless she produced offspring asexually as various real-world animals can.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Now throughout the entire story so far, all dragons are referred to as “it”

Except for Glint, who is apparently the only dragon that has a gender. “Her”

Why does this specific dragon not follow the rules?

Most dragons are referred to with male pronouns, actually. It’s the wiki who uses it, because technically dragons – with the possible exception of Glint and a handful of others – do not have genders.

To elaborate: Elder Dragons are without genders as the Tyrian mind can comprehend (so dev explanation has been) and most dragon champions – Claw of Jormag, Tequatl, etc. etc. – are construct creations made of elements and bodies.

However, there are hints to a dragon species being in existence in the ancient past – one that didn’t include things like the Claw of Jormag or The Shatterer and possibly even Mordremoth, Zhaitan, etc.

Glint and the bone dragons from GW1 might have been amongst this dragon race – some of the Canthan dragons could be the suppose dragon race’s cousin races (Moss Dragon, Saltspray Dragons, etc.). Tequatl and such could have been made out of the corpses of these dragons. It’s all still very speculative.

Glint isn’t the only dragon referred to with a gender pronoun (Kuunavang was a she too), but most modern dragons don’t have a discernible gender.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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If we look at the Shadow of the Dragon he is cretaed by using a Dragon as a blueprint.

Glint however had been corrupted by Kalkratorik.

Seeing how she could bear eggs after all this time, traditional gender doesnt have to mean anything to their kind.
There are species on earth who can change their gender if needed (to secure their race) and are even able to impregnate themselves (which could explain Glints offsprings)

Most of the time we attribute the gender to the voice, though.

It doesnt have to mean anything, so we could also see them as androgyn.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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We never see Glint lay the eggs, however. But we do know that the last egg was in stasis – how long, though, we don’t know.

Couldn’t it have been that the eggs have been in stasis for thousands of years?

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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Sure, but I just wanted to mention that this possibility does exist.

We donĀ“t know where the egss come from.

It could actually be that she allready possesed ED qualitys (though it is not only an ability of the EDs) to create minions/offsprings/beings with magic.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Dragon champions are all 100% capable of creating minions. This is actually the main method for Elder Dragons to create minions – by creating minion-producing champions. Such as the Blighting Trees and Vinewrath for Mordremoth.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

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Dragon champions are all 100% capable of creating minions. This is actually the main method for Elder Dragons to create minions – by creating minion-producing champions. Such as the Blighting Trees and Vinewrath for Mordremoth.

So, the question would be if she inherited this from being a Champion, or if she was born with it.

We see Kalkratorik corrupt, rather then produce minions at the moment (I don`t remember any non branded right now, aside from The Shatterer)

So yeah. Seems like we are still open on the dragon reproduction details.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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That’s why it’s important to figure out whether she was pregnant when corrupted or not. We know that all dragon minions are sterile – only minion-making dragon champions (which really only spread corruption or create mimicries from materials like Mordremoth/Primordus) are close to capable of ‘reproduction’ but even that’s not sexual reproduction.

If Glint’s eggs are actual eggs, which seems to be the case, then this means Glint was once of a draconic race and was pregnant when corrupted.

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