kasmeer smells fishy
She smells fishy because of all the krait she’s been dealing with.
More seriously though: correction – it isn’t “nobles” but rather “Ministers” and it isn’t “kill” but rather “overthrow” (easiest means is to kill, but it’s not the only possibility).
Ministry Guard do not work for the Queen, btw, but are personally hired guards of the Ministers, and we don’t know whether the Minister who moved into Kasmeer’s home is loyal to Jennah, or to Caudecus. It’s more likely to be the latter.
Wasn’t it stated that her father was stabbed because he was locked up with people whom he had helped jailed or some such? The location of her brother has yet to be brought up.
Kasmeer was sad after beating the Marionette because it was the anniversary of her father’s death, as she tells you and Marjory in the LA instance.
It was stated Scarlet’s actions during Queen’s Jubilee was done on a whim. There was no grand scheme to her targeting Jennah. She saw the theme of the Jubilee (humanity can withstand any test) and decided to test humanity herself – this included targeting Jennah.
Marjory isn’t a friend of Logan, but rather Logan knew Marjory was a detective (the two knew the others’ reputation). The two (Logan and Kasmeer) meeting was by chance. Kasmeer went to work for Marjory because she saw the help wanted sign, as elaborated in The Edge of the Mists.
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Kasmeer’s father wasn’t said to be directly responsible; it was more of a class warfare kind of deal- here’s a debtors prison full of commoners who likely got cheated or abused in some way by the upper class, and the Ministry Guard just tossed a noble into their midst. Cue predictable outcome.
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She smells like tuna to be precise.
I don’t think Kasmeer has any ulterior motives. She sounded like she was kind of desperate when she applied for the job from Marjory. After all its likely she didn’t have a lot of options for jobs among the commoner classes since she wouldn’t have had much practical training or experience in working in that part of society and her family was shamed among noble circles.
I kind of have a feeling we will find out there was more to her father’s death if we ever get back to dealing with the corruption in the Krytan Ministry. There is no real proof but the whole shaming and death of her father sounds like it could easily have been an underhanded political move by her father’s enemies to get rid of him. Set up the son to leave the father exposed and then move in on the father. It wouldn’t be the first time we have seen ministers loyal to the queen get set up.
Kasmeer’s father wasn’t said to be directly responsible; it was more of a class warfare kind of deal- here’s a debtors prison full of commoners who likely got cheated or abused in some way by the upper class, and the Ministry Guard just tossed a noble into their midst. Cue predictable outcome.
This, a noble tossed into a prison that most likely is filled with commoners who would have issues with the ‘upper class’ isn’t going to last long.
The guards? They may have been paid off by ministry. Maybe they were commons by upbringing and went “meh, let them vent”. Or maybe it happened when they weren’t looking and by the time they could’ve responded, it was too late.
She went to Marjory because she NEEDED help (and wanted to help). sounded more like she jumped at the first job opening she saw.
It’s the ministry guard that robbed her of everything, not the queen.
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It’s the ministry guard that robbed her of everything, not the queen.
Strictly speaking, it wasn’t robbery. Legal seizure of a debtor’s material assets might still suck, but it isn’t criminal.
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Well when your eating fish every night……
Kasmeer smells fishy? It must be that time of the month for her. >_>
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It’s the ministry guard that robbed her of everything, not the queen.
Strictly speaking, it wasn’t robbery. Legal seizure of a debtor’s material assets might still suck, but it isn’t criminal.
I know it isn’t robbery/stealing in a legal sense. But in some cases it’s just wrong imo. Bad things happen in life, people get can into real trouble even though they are trying their best not to. The last thing they need is some authority figure steal away the only posessions they have left.
In Kasmeer’s case, there are no good reasons for what the ministry did, only legal ones. In my opinion anyway.
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It’s the ministry guard that robbed her of everything, not the queen.
Strictly speaking, it wasn’t robbery. Legal seizure of a debtor’s material assets might still suck, but it isn’t criminal.
I know it isn’t robbery/stealing in a legal sense. But in some cases it’s just wrong imo. Bad things happen in life, people get can into real trouble even though they are trying their best not to. The last thing they need is some authority figure steal away the only posessions they have left.
In Kasmeer’s case, there are no good reasons for what the ministry did, only legal ones.
Well, “wrong” as in legally wrong? No, it was purely legal by the laws in Divinty’s Reach. Wrong as in “morally wrong”? Again, not so certain it is . . . as far as the guards are concerned, there’s their orders and the clear interpretation of the law. It’s their moral duty to do that, and from the story it wasn’t done distastefully, merely dispassionately.
Which, mind you, is really rather the bright side. From what was said, the guards who were there didn’t do it maliciously. They did so out of duty.
I can’t call it wrong. I can call it a miscarriage of karma, though.
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I meant morally wrong indeed. I also believe “just following orders” is used too often as an excuse. But I get what you mean. It’s not really the guards I blame, more the leaders behind it.
The least they could have done is give Kasmeer’s father some time to come up with the money (which they may have done, but we don’t know that), not immediately throw him in jail.
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Kasmeer smells fishy? It must be that time of the month for her. >_>
Sooo wrong xD
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Wrong, as in it ruined her life unfairly. You can quibble about legality and morals, but that doesn’t make it suck any less for her, and seeing as wrong is a subjective term…
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and seeing as wrong is a subjective term…
That’s why I stated “in my opinion”.
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I meant morally wrong indeed. I also believe “just following orders” is used too often as an excuse. But I get what you mean. It’s not really the guards I blame, more the leaders behind it.
The least they could have done is give Kasmeer’s father some time to come up with the money (which they may have done, but we don’t know that), not immediately throw him in jail.
You’re correct that “just following orders” should be a dirty phrase along with . . . claiming someone fornicates with their maternal parent . . .
But we are talking a group where corrupt guards don’t see anything wrong with a little murder on top of grifting, so stepping out of line for moral purposes can end very badly in Tyria and do no good.
Tyria, like most fantasy environments, is a harsh place. And that means paragons of virtue rarely survive long unless they have the strength of arms to back it up.
(And even the Sunspears fell, so maybe paragons aren’t as useful as thought.)
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It was stated Scarlet’s actions during Queen’s Jubilee was done on a whim. There was no grand scheme to her targeting Jennah. She saw the theme of the Jubilee (humanity can withstand any test) and decided to test humanity herself – this included targeting Jennah..
More than just a whim. From what I gathered from Edge of the Mists:
- Scarlet was the one who created the steam creatures in Lornar’s.
- The Krytans took the technology from the steam creatures and improved on that to build the Watchwork.
- Scarlet said ‘thanks for doing my work for me’ and stole the upgrades to create her Twisted Watchwork.
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- Scarlet was the one who created the steam creatures in Lornar’s.
They’re related to the asura personal story.
In the “Infinity Ball” line an alternate universe/timeline version of your character took over the world using them, and some are appearing through inter dimensional portals afaik. I never played that storyline, but I’ve seen people mention it a lot.
- Scarlet was the one who created the steam creatures in Lornar’s.
They’re related to the asura personal story.
In the “Infinity Ball” line an alternate universe/timeline version of your character took over the world using them, and some are appearing through inter dimensional portals afaik. I never played that storyline, but I’ve seen people mention it a lot.
That looks like it might be a case of the Personal Story team re-using assets.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Dead_End:_A_Study_in_Scarlet
Interacting with Steam Creature Wreckage
Marjory Delaqua: If you examine the steam creature closely, you can identify similarities to Scarlet’s clockwork machines in its design.
Kasmeer Meade: It’s like she modified the Watchknights with the same engineering.
(Vorpp speaks to you)
These steam creatures have been around for a while, and we’ve pondered their origins with no success. Now, it seems we have our first clue. They share many of the qualities of Scarlet’s designs.
Scarlet was able to seize control of Queen Jennah’s watchknights and twist them into similarly threatening minions.
Are you suggesting that the human queen… What exactly are you suggesting?
That the queen modeled her watchknights on the steam creatures.
Vorpp: The Watchknights and the steam creatures use common parts. That would explain how Scarlet gained control of the Watchknights.
Vorpp: Their obedience makes them perfect infantry units for assaulting a fortified location.
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If you go talk to the Priory scholars at the Marionette wreckage, they will tell you point-blank that it’s doubtful that Scarlet created the steam creatures, and much more likely that she reverse-engineered their workings.
In any event, the way I see it is this- the clockworks were said to be a “second draft”. I think Scarlet ran into some hindrance with amassing an army of steam creatures (not enough of them? Some difficulty creating more due to the organic bits? Maybe opposition from whatever force is currently controlling them?), and while she was mulling it over the watchknights came to her attention- something able to fill the same roll without whatever drawback she was snagged on. In that sense, it was part of her (revised) plan. But what we were told, specifically, was that the attack on the Jubilee was just a mad whim. She almost certainly could have acquired the watchknights without making a public production of it and then holing up in the Queen’s fancy new monument for x amount of time.
So in short I think that the watchknights were to fill a role that was always in the plan but originally supposed to be filled by something else, and that the specific means of acquiring them- a terrorist attack to counter the Queen’s intended political statement- was chosen at a whim.
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It was stated Scarlet’s actions during Queen’s Jubilee was done on a whim. There was no grand scheme to her targeting Jennah. She saw the theme of the Jubilee (humanity can withstand any test) and decided to test humanity herself – this included targeting Jennah..
More than just a whim. From what I gathered from Edge of the Mists:
- Scarlet was the one who created the steam creatures in Lornar’s.
- The Krytans took the technology from the steam creatures and improved on that to build the Watchwork.
- Scarlet said ‘thanks for doing my work for me’ and stole the upgrades to create her Twisted Watchwork.
- Nope, all we know is that Scarlet knows how they tick. What’s actually suggested, heavily, is that Scarlet reverse engineered them – the theory presented by the Marionette Priory members if you ask them (the charr one iirc) if they thought Scarlet made the Steam creatures.
- Not so much “improved on that” but rather used the designs to create something fully different. Unlike the Watchknights, the Steam creatures have organic cores.
- Scarlet stole the Watchknights, sure, but there is no way she would have known that 1) the Watchknights even existed until after their unveil (they were about before the Opening Ceremony and were talked about before then too, so she could have gotten a hold of one before the Opening Ceremonty), and 2) that they were made from studying the Steam Creatures (she’d only figure this out after studying them).
And it was outright stated explicitly by Scott McGough that the attack on the Jubilee was an act of a whim. See this interview here.
That looks like it might be a case of the Personal Story team re-using assets.
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Except that the Steam creatures are utilized repeatedly, named the same, and are explicitly called the future self’s invention.
ArenaNet has reused models before – for example, the Chaos Beasts at Thaumanova – but they are always named different.
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It’s the ministry guard that robbed her of everything, not the queen.
Strictly speaking, it wasn’t robbery. Legal seizure of a debtor’s material assets might still suck, but it isn’t criminal.
I know it isn’t robbery/stealing in a legal sense. But in some cases it’s just wrong imo. Bad things happen in life, people get can into real trouble even though they are trying their best not to. The last thing they need is some authority figure steal away the only posessions they have left.
In Kasmeer’s case, there are no good reasons for what the ministry did, only legal ones. In my opinion anyway.
Kasmeer’s family suffered because they lost most of their wealth (note, the street rat story shows that people with no money can survive and even thrive in Tyria). If someone owes money (which Kasmeer’s father did) it means they’ve borrowed money. Money from lender doesn’t come out of nowhere, it’s a service. It’s someone else’s means of putting food on the table and a roof over their head. Kasmeer’s family’s assets were all seized, they were pretty wealthy so for such a large debt to require all those assets, someone (or several people) were out of pocket quite a large amount of money to cover her brother’s debts.
There was nothing unfair or morally wrong here. Kasmeer’s father had a debt and he paid it. The guards “carrying out orders” aren’t doing something wrong, they aren’t turning a blind eye to murder or corruption, they are enforcing the laws that ensure order and justice prevail in the city. It’s unfortunate for Kasmeer that her comfortable life is over (the NPCs from the street rat story for humans are all torn up I’m sure, as are the victims of the dragons or the attack on Lion’s Arch) but it would have been wrong for her father to keep his possessions and not pay his debt. It was his decision to take on his son’s debts and he is responsible for paying that.
The writers work so hard to position you to side with Kasmeer but I can’t logically see how you can view this situation as one where the guards or even the ministry are in the wrong (morally or otherwise). He took on a debt he couldn’t pay, so he had to pay in a different way
And it was outright stated explicitly by Scott McGough that the attack on the Jubilee was an act of a whim. See this interview here.
I know the interview your refering to, but in the instance where the “player figures out” Scarlet’s plan, don’t the NPCs basically tell you the clockhorrors are part of Scarlet’s army building plans? She wanted them for their value as minions not just simply because Scarlet wanted to cut down Jennah. I get the feeling that interview was half truths and partially misleading. Maybe Scarlet’s initial interest was to challenge the queen, but it became part of her overall plan to build armies.
It was stated Scarlet’s actions during Queen’s Jubilee was done on a whim. There was no grand scheme to her targeting Jennah. She saw the theme of the Jubilee (humanity can withstand any test) and decided to test humanity herself – this included targeting Jennah..
More than just a whim. From what I gathered from Edge of the Mists:
- Scarlet was the one who created the steam creatures in Lornar’s.
- The Krytans took the technology from the steam creatures and improved on that to build the Watchwork.
- Scarlet said ‘thanks for doing my work for me’ and stole the upgrades to create her Twisted Watchwork.
- Nope, all we know is that Scarlet knows how they tick. What’s actually suggested, heavily, is that Scarlet reverse engineered them – the theory presented by the Marionette Priory members if you ask them (the charr one iirc) if they thought Scarlet made the Steam creatures.
- Not so much “improved on that” but rather used the designs to create something fully different. Unlike the Watchknights, the Steam creatures have organic cores.
- Scarlet stole the Watchknights, sure, but there is no way she would have known that 1) the Watchknights even existed until after their unveil (they were about before the Opening Ceremony and were talked about before then too, so she could have gotten a hold of one before the Opening Ceremonty), and 2) that they were made from studying the Steam Creatures (she’d only figure this out after studying them).
And it was outright stated explicitly by Scott McGough that the attack on the Jubilee was an act of a whim. See this interview here.
That looks like it might be a case of the Personal Story team re-using assets.
-snip-
Except that the Steam creatures are utilized repeatedly, named the same, and are explicitly called the future self’s invention.
ArenaNet has reused models before – for example, the Chaos Beasts at Thaumanova – but they are always named different.
I find the position that no one knows the origins of the steam creatures to be interesting. This is because Vorpp is an expert on portals. It would seem that if anyone knows about the infinity ball incident it would be Vorpp and the priory. It appears that they have collaborated in the investigation of Scarlet. However, no one seems to be giving future self credit for the invention of the steam creatures. I’ve always maintained that future self was simply stealing credit for their creation and I think that the dialog in Edge of the Mists supports that position.