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Posted by: Brokensunday.4098

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Livia is an ancient and powerful human necromancer

Livia claimed to have studied much of Orrian magic after acquiring the Scepter of Orr, and had retained her youthful appearance. How she had managed such a feat is not known—some tales said she’d sold her soul to become an immortal lich

the return of the White Mantle and posible the mursaat livia could return from where she is.

second does the scepter of orr creates lich? example vizier khilbron (could have been the lost scroll) in his case or the scepter

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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The Scepter of Orr does not create liches.

Khilbron was a lich prior to having the Scepter of Orr (we outright see this).

The Scepter only seems to influence one’s mana/energy and allow control of souls (based on Sanctum Cay’s bonus mission when we wield it).

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Well, we don’t actually know what the extent of the Scepter’s powers are. We know it can create wraiths from the recently dead, but there’s nothing directly relating it to creating corporeal undead, including liches.

On the other hand, the Vizier of Orr has been tied to creating undead prior to the Cataclsym (the Shards of Orr dungeon), and we’ve seen that the Scepter can teleport away from danger – it’s possible that the Scepter likewise teleported away from Orr as the Cataclysm was unleashed, and before that it was used by the Viziers of Orr, possibly including Khilbron using it to achieve lichdom before the Catacylsm: he did show the ability to appear as his living form in Prophecies, so it’s possible he was doing that before the Cataclysm as well.

It’s also possible that it was the result of the Lost Scrolls, or that lichdom was a gift from Abaddon. We don’t know for sure how it happened, so we can’t rule out that the Scepter was involved. Neither can we rule out that it wasn’t.

It’s also worth noting that the Staff of the Mists, the twin to the Scepter now presumed destroyed, was found in the Desolation, within Joko’s domain. Whether that’s significant or pure coincidence is hard to say, though (particularly since the powers of the two are different, and the Staff was supposed to be sealed away).

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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I need some clarification here: Can the Scepter teleport away from Danger, or was it spirited away by Glint?

Cause I remember at the end of Prophecies, the cinematic showed Glint concluding her prophecy and sort of projecting her image to the bloodstone at the volcano, while the Scepter was lifted and then disappeared.

Is this an inherent property of the Scepter?

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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In all honesty, we don’t know.

Could have been Glint, could have been the Scepter.

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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Cool, that’s what I thought. Drax sort of stated that it could teleport by itself as a fact and I thought otherwise, but I wanted to make sure.

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Posted by: Brokensunday.4098

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The weapons were intended to offer protection, but their power corrupted their bearers and unleashed horrors upon the land.

this says in the wiki but how does it corrups the bearers make them evil? or lich?

Vizier Khilbron on wiki

The Cataclysm did not spare him, but instead transformed him into the Undead Lich.

also in this concept art they show him reading the scroll and wielding the staff of orr

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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The original dialogue is:

Long ago, the Staff of the Mists and the Scepter of Orr were given to the great nations of the world as protection. Predictably, those who wielded their power were corrupted. Terrible horrors were unleashed upon the lands once guarded by their benevolent power. The gods themselves were forced to intervene. They struck down both rulers, sealed the scepters within their tombs, and guarded them with powerful magic.

I’ve always taked about the people who got them being evil/criminal individuals and simply used the two staves for their own means rather than using them for protecting others.

The dialogue doesn’t say the staves corrupt the bearers, but rather that the bearers were corrupt.

Edit: I’m not too sure that’s the Scepter of Orr in that concept art.

A larger version of the artthe Scepter of Orr they look very similar, but are different. Given the accuracy of Khilbron’s appearance there, I’m not too sure they’d make such changes to the Scepter of Orr.

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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Yes, I also interpreted that text as the mere concept of having power corrupting their behavior— akin certain politics. Not that they were corrupted in body and mind, altering their being (not unlike Dragon corruption).

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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That’s pretty much my attitude – it’s a metaphorical ‘power corrupts’ scenario, rather than the magic actually changing their nature.

Regarding teleporting away, Konig is right – I neglected to point out that Glint is as likely to have been the one teleporting the Scepter as the Scepter doing it itself. It could even have been a third party we don’t know about. The point is, though, that since we know it’s teleported out of danger once, it’s possible it’s happened before.

It’s also possible that the tomb that the Scepter was recovered from in Kryta was where it had been since the gods intervened. We can’t say for sure either way.

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