So I was just reading some guild wars lore, when I suddenly stumbled upon Palawa Joko. I know he’s some kind of dark lord who rules over Elona. from the wiki page I’ve read that he is a Necromancer, but I was wondering if there is any possibility that he has minions under his command who wear heavy armor, and are something like a death/shadow knight-type class. I really enjoy the concept of a dark magic using, plate wearing warrior but I don’t know if that would make any sense within the GW universe.
Hope some you lore-junkies can help me out. ^^
I guess you mean the Mordant Crescent, the “Sith Order” to the Sunspears, composed mostly of live (and some undead who resisted King Joko until undeath) traitors of the Order of Sunspears. Yes, these men and women were given control over Palawa’s armies, and I believe also a fraction of his necromantic powers. Given how quite a few of the Sunspears were dervishes, paragons, and warriors, it’s not far-fetched to assume that over the years the professions were molded into one – building on their darker aspects – coupled with a Necromancer secondary. So yes, I’d say theoretically it’s entirely plausible the Mordant Crescent has a profession akin to WoW’s Death Knights.
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Palawa Joko is an undead necromancer, who has a mixed army of both undead and mortal people that serve under his rule. They can be of any class really. In Guild Wars 1 we already saw him commanding heavily armored undead gray giants and undead centaurs. (and various other species)
As you can see, some of the soldiers in Palawa Joko’s undead army wear heavy armor.
But Palawa Joko now also has an army made of people that are still very much alive.
The Mordant Crescent are all ex-Sunspears, so I would expect them to be wearing the same armor and weapons similar to the Sunspears. A lot of Sunspears wear paragon armors. Heavily armored (but revealing), with spear and shield. But the Sunspears were also made up of other classes with other weapons. Swords and shields, light, medium and heavy armors. So the Mordant Crescent can be made up of anything really. Mordant Crescent can be either living or undead, but I suspect they’d probably be fighting a lot with spears still.
I’m sure Palawa Joko also has many other classes in the rest of his army. Elementalists, guardians, warriors etc. And I’m also sure they are not all wearing shiny gold cloaks. So a dark knight in heavy armor, undead or otherwise… perfectly possible.
Anet has said in the past that if they were to introduce a new profession to the game, it would first be a heavy one. As dervishes and paragons are blend together into the guardian, I assume those are no longer an option. Would it be foolish to think that if we were to go back to elona, we would get a Mordant Crescent-like profession, because they will probably be the main story villains? Could be they don’t introduce a new profession at all with elona and cantha but that seems such a long time. thoughts?
You are quite wrong there, Malafide. Paragon armor is heavy. It’d be a Soldier class now had it not been melded into Guardian. If the evolution of the paragon in Elona went along a line similar to Tyria, they would’ve picked up plate armor, too (especially if we consider how the whole of the Kournan military wore body-covering armor). The knights of the Mordant Crescent would be anti-guardians with more focus on dark spiritualism (dervish, ritualist) and necromancy instead of holy monk magic.
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You are quite wrong there, Malafide. Paragon armor is heavy. It’d be a Soldier class now had it not been melded into Guardian. If the evolution of the paragon in Elona went along a line similar to Tyria, they would’ve picked up plate armor, too (especially if we consider how the whole of the Kournan military wore body-covering armor). The knights of the Mordant Crescent would be anti-guardians with more focus dark spiritualism (dervish, ritualist) and necromancy instead of holy monk magic.
I was still editing the post darling. I had to look for references first, and spell check the post.
I think we know too little about the knights of the Mordant Crescent, to state that they would be anti-guardians. A lot of the people that joined Palawa Joko might still be using their original magic. So using holy magic? Why not. Even some of Palawa’s undead minions were monks.
Would it be foolish to think that if we were to go back to elona, we would get a Mordant Crescent-like profession, because they will probably be the main story villains? Could be they don’t introduce a new profession at all with elona and cantha but that seems such a long time. thoughts?
Whether Elona or Cantha will ever open up to us, no one knows. Anet has not stated if they will ever add new classes or regions, so anything’s possible in the future.
But I don’t think we should expect to play the villains. If we’ll get a new class, it will not be Mordant Crescent. Palawa Joko is the bad guy after all. We would not be serving under his army.
If you are looking for heavy armored fighters with cruel weapons who can inflicts bleeds, weakness, cripple, knockdowns, and fear in their enemies – that’s already all in the warrior class. Nightmare court warriors already act like shadowknights.
It is not forbidden for undead to further their magical practices, and the living are likely to have evolved their magical theory the same way the rest of the world did. In a land where necromancy is widespread thanks to the ruling regime, I bet the darker side of ritualism and spiritualism would thrive. Couple that with paragon/guardian/warrior disciplines and you get a true Mordant Knight of Palawa Joko.
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It is not forbidden for undead to further their magical practices, and the living are likely to have evolved their magical theory the same way the rest of the world did. In a land where necromancy is widespread thanks to the ruling regime, I bet the darker side of ritualism and spiritualism would thrive. Couple that with paragon/guardian/warrior disciplines and you get a true Mordant Knight of Palawa Joko.
We don’t know if necromancy is now wide spread among the populace in Elona, since it was already kinda looked down before Palawa’s reign. It would depend on whether Palawa would allow such a thing. If he allowed necromancy to flourish, people might be able find out a way to use his own magical art against him. Not to mention, the people of Elona might look further down on necromancy as a whole, because Palawa himself is a necromancer.
He would probably allow it within the Mordant Knights and whatever ruling class there is in Elona now, if there is any. But the general populace? Probably not. He is a overlord that rules with an iron fist after all. Hard to keep that position if he gives power, by way of the magical arts, to the people.
I entirely disagree. It is a shape up or ship out situation. Obviously, those who couldn’t take it have shipped out to the Ossan Quarter in DR – or joined the Zephyrites – already, but those who stayed are quite likely to have had to adopt to the status quo. Fight fire with fire (and besides holy fire) necromancy is the best way to combat necromancy. The living populace are very likely to have learned necromantic tricks (maybe illegally, that’s not the point) from each other, the undead, and the Order of Whispers which is clearly funding and arming the resistance.
Still, this topic is about the knights of the Mordant Crescent, and not the necromantic knowledge of the Elonian living populace.
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I was wondering if there is any possibility that he has minions under his command who wear heavy armor, and are something like a death/shadow knight-type class. I really enjoy the concept of a dark magic using, plate wearing warrior but I don’t know if that would make any sense within the GW universe.
Armor restrictions for professions is 100% purely mechanical and the only basis it holds in lore is that it’s “typical”
For example, Logan is clearly a guardian, but in Edge of Destiny he wears leather armor until the end where he becomes a Seraph captain.
So you can very well have a necromancer who prefers to wear leather or even metal armor (be it platemail or chainmail or other). But they wouldn’t some “shadowknight” – they’d just be necromancers in armor rather than robes.
As dervishes and paragons are blend together into the guardian, I assume those are no longer an option.
Wrong.
Guardians are made from the practices of Monks, Paragons, and Ritualists, per Sea of Sorrows novel (exact wording would be “Monk traditions, Elonian protection magic, and Ritualist woohah” or some such, iirc – but dervishes weren’t really in the way of protection magic so much as paragons were).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
The point of a dervish was more towards personal buffing, while providing pbAoE (scythe attacks/instant enchant dmg)
As it is now, all profs have access to pbAoE attacks and personal buffing power, so I see no need to reintroduce a profession that has, arguably, been absorbed into all professions.
The point of a dervish was more towards personal buffing, while providing pbAoE (scythe attacks/instant enchant dmg)
As it is now, all profs have access to pbAoE attacks and personal buffing power, so I see no need to reintroduce a profession that has, arguably, been absorbed into all professions.
If you say it like that, it seems like we only need 1 profession, because the other professions can fulfill the same roles.
Having different professions mean more variety, and in their own way. There are a million ways anet can introduce a class with the same roles as the current ones, but with different mechanics. That’s the whole point of a class.
I was wondering if there is any possibility that he has minions under his command who wear heavy armor, and are something like a death/shadow knight-type class. I really enjoy the concept of a dark magic using, plate wearing warrior but I don’t know if that would make any sense within the GW universe.
Armor restrictions for professions is 100% purely mechanical and the only basis it holds in lore is that it’s “typical”
For example, Logan is clearly a guardian, but in Edge of Destiny he wears leather armor until the end where he becomes a Seraph captain.
So you can very well have a necromancer who prefers to wear leather or even metal armor (be it platemail or chainmail or other). But they wouldn’t some “shadowknight” – they’d just be necromancers in armor rather than robes.
The only downside to this is that it doesn’t reflect in the actual game.
I think it would be problematic if in some upcoming story Jennah wears heavy armor or Rytlock wears light armor, although it’s perfectly possible. Wouldn’t it be easier for anet to reflect the character in game with a fixed type of armor? Or is there,just like with logan, a turning point in a characters life in which they decide to stick to one type? I would find it rather odd if characters suddenly changed armor depending on the situation.
I can easily see Rytlock in non-heavy armor, if he’s going to some social gathering and he wants to look nice. Though I would expect him to just put a shiner to his best armor set, being Blood and charr and all.
They keep the armor to the personality of the characters.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
The point of a dervish was more towards personal buffing, while providing pbAoE (scythe attacks/instant enchant dmg)
As it is now, all profs have access to pbAoE attacks and personal buffing power, so I see no need to reintroduce a profession that has, arguably, been absorbed into all professions.
If you say it like that, it seems like we only need 1 profession, because the other professions can fulfill the same roles.
Having different professions mean more variety, and in their own way. There are a million ways anet can introduce a class with the same roles as the current ones, but with different mechanics. That’s the whole point of a class.
We dont have the current mechanics to support this class. Enchants? No go. As it is, we all can buff ourselves…stabilty, retribution, etc… As for 3 foe attacks and the enchant PBAoE, which class doesnt have the ability to cast those? 1 sec trap etc, count.
All I was saying was that Dervish mechanics are spread throughout GW2 and we lack the components to make it happen as an actual prof. They were enchant heavy…..no enchants now.
As for a new profession, that would be awesome. I welcome that, but Im skeptical that it will be dervish.
All I was saying was that Dervish mechanics are spread throughout GW2 and we lack the components to make it happen as an actual prof. They were enchant heavy…..no enchants now.
It would have to be a boon-heavy class… however, we already have the guardian as a boon-spammer. Of course the strength of the Dervish, was how it played around with stacking maintained enchantments, and then removing them for special attacks. This made the Dervish very vulnerable to enchantment removal. It was a very original risk versus reward class. And they had very wide aoe attacks, which could still work in GW2 I suppose.
